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Post by Kebab Tue Nov 09, 2021 7:48 am


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Post by Harmonica Tue Nov 09, 2021 4:11 pm

The small dictator has arrived.
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Post by Myesyats Tue Nov 09, 2021 4:37 pm

I remember when Pique asked Valverde if he could leave for a tennis tournament during one weekend and Valverde refused but Pique went anyway Laughing

There was zero discipline at the club once Lucho left

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Post by El Gunner Tue Nov 09, 2021 6:36 pm

that's the discipline you need to build great team chemistry tbh
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Post by Casciavit Tue Nov 09, 2021 10:04 pm

Myesyats wrote:I remember when Pique asked Valverde if he could leave for a tennis tournament during one weekend and Valverde refused but Pique went anyway Laughing

There was zero discipline at the club once Lucho left


Didn't Pique tell off Setien's assistant for making them train hard? rofl
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Post by Myesyats Wed Nov 10, 2021 9:35 am

Xavi has canceled the scheduled interview Piqué planned to do with Spanish TV show ‘El Hormiguero’ next week in Madrid. [cope]

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Post by Hapless_Hans Wed Nov 10, 2021 9:42 am

I'm loving this.

I actually have the feeling this might work out great.

But in either case it willb e highly entertaining.

Can't wait for the 8th of December Proud
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Post by neuro11 Wed Nov 10, 2021 1:10 pm

Too much news, don't know what to believe. But it is not difficult to understand that discipline had never been prioritized here in a couple of years. If he can restore, that alone can have some positive impact on our performance.

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Post by Myesyats Wed Nov 10, 2021 1:17 pm

Another bunch of news, although it's from Chiringuito so idk Laughing



Pique looks shook Laughing


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Post by Arquitecto Wed Nov 10, 2021 4:02 pm

I get Barça fans and neutrals are letting such changes get them erect here but these are very circumstantial changes as the same excitement was when Pippo came to Milan with some stellar locker room changes but turned out to be a rookie.

Not against Xavi succeeding (I think he will) but similar was put on Arteta's arrival to even Pirlo.

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Post by El Gunner Wed Nov 10, 2021 4:13 pm

the fact that Barca still relies on Pique as a team player is the real problem here
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Post by Myesyats Wed Nov 10, 2021 4:23 pm

Arteta wasnt even a good midfielder. He was merely decent throughout his playing career. Did he even play for Spain NT? I don't recall

I'm not sure who thought he would be fit for the job. At Man City his tasks were probably limited to carrying Pep's luggage.

Is ARteta even considered an arsenal legend? He couldnt even clean Vieira, Pires or Bergkamp's shoes.


As to Inzaghi or Pirlo, yes it is a hit or miss. But as you see the dire state we're in, hope is our only device left Laughing I would say Pirlo was expected to fail, he never seemed disciplined and focused enoguh to be a coach imo, not a Zidane type guy.

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Post by Lord Spencer Wed Nov 10, 2021 5:33 pm

Inzaghi and Porto were not massive failures. The first had an extremely sub-par squad, while the second had a declining project.

Poisoned chalices, like Barça may be at the moment.
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Post by Mamad Wed Nov 10, 2021 6:21 pm

I think Xavi will do better than Koeman but with this squad they can't compete with the best. so a top 4 finish in laliga would be a positive result for him this season imo.
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Post by El Gunner Wed Nov 10, 2021 7:26 pm

Myesyats wrote:Arteta wasnt even a good midfielder. He was merely decent throughout his playing career. Did he even play for Spain NT? I don't recall

I'm not sure who thought he would be fit for the job. At Man City his tasks were probably limited to carrying Pep's luggage.

Is ARteta even considered an arsenal legend? He couldnt even clean Vieira, Pires or Bergkamp's shoes.


As to Inzaghi or Pirlo, yes it is a hit or miss. But as you see the dire state we're in, hope is our only device left Laughing I would say Pirlo was expected to fail, he never seemed disciplined and focused enoguh to be a coach imo, not a Zidane type guy.

i don't think he ever got a Spanish cap, but probably had more to do with coming up in the Spanish golden era generation... iirc there used to be a lot of talk in the English media whether he should play for England because they think he would have been a valuable addition to a tasteless England midfield.

as for his coaching talents... everyone behind the scenes (other coaches, players, authority figures) were praising him as he worked on his coaching medals, and of course Pep can't get enough praising his IQ for the game either. All of which we of course haven't seen in practice yet Laughing
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Post by Art Morte Wed Nov 10, 2021 7:37 pm

Getting strict on discipline is an outdated management strategy (usually one that bad managers resort to). It may yield some short-term gains, but subordinates won't stay long-term motivated under strict discipline, unless they themselves think it's necessary to have strict discipline in place.
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Post by El Gunner Wed Nov 10, 2021 8:36 pm

start out strict and then loosen the leash a bit as they improve as a reward
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Post by BarrileteCosmico Wed Nov 10, 2021 10:04 pm

Art Morte wrote:Getting strict on discipline is an outdated management strategy (usually one that bad managers resort to). It may yield some short-term gains, but subordinates won't stay long-term motivated under strict discipline, unless they themselves think it's necessary to have strict discipline in place.
Of the mentioned rules, which strike you as 'strict'? I think it's just the bare minimum
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Post by Myesyats Wed Nov 10, 2021 10:37 pm

None of these rules are strict. Being on time, not using social media in the dressing room, following your diet and such are very much the bare minimum

I recall Dembele being repeatedly late for training and he faced no consequences

It is really "club de amigos"

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Post by Myesyats Wed Nov 10, 2021 10:44 pm

El Gunner wrote:
Myesyats wrote:Arteta wasnt even a good midfielder. He was merely decent throughout his playing career. Did he even play for Spain NT? I don't recall

I'm not sure who thought he would be fit for the job. At Man City his tasks were probably limited to carrying Pep's luggage.

Is ARteta even considered an arsenal legend? He couldnt even clean Vieira, Pires or Bergkamp's shoes.


As to Inzaghi or Pirlo, yes it is a hit or miss. But as you see the dire state we're in, hope is our only device left Laughing I would say Pirlo was expected to fail, he never seemed disciplined and focused enoguh to be a coach imo, not a Zidane type guy.

i don't think he ever got a Spanish cap, but probably had more to do with coming up in the Spanish golden era generation... iirc there used to be a lot of talk in the English media whether he should play for England because they think he would have been a valuable addition to a tasteless England midfield.

as for his coaching talents... everyone behind the scenes (other coaches, players, authority figures) were praising him as he worked on his coaching medals, and of course Pep can't get enough praising his IQ for the game either. All of which we of course haven't seen in practice yet Laughing

Pep praise means nothing tho Laughing You think he ever listened to Arteta? I can't imagine that scenario

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Post by Art Morte Thu Nov 11, 2021 3:41 pm

BarrileteCosmico wrote:
Art Morte wrote:Getting strict on discipline is an outdated management strategy (usually one that bad managers resort to). It may yield some short-term gains, but subordinates won't stay long-term motivated under strict discipline, unless they themselves think it's necessary to have strict discipline in place.
Of the mentioned rules, which strike you as 'strict'? I think it's just the bare minimum


Not using social media in the dressing room is fine, but he's demanding they don't use it on the bus, and not even on the day before a game? Like wtf is that, totally disconnected with today's reality. And arriving to training 90 minutes early, wtf, just state when the training starts, when you're required to be there, nobody likes a vague-ass "you should be here 90 minutes before we tell you" bullshit.
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Post by BarrileteCosmico Thu Nov 11, 2021 6:27 pm

Social media the day before a match I agree some boomer tactics by Xavi he won't even be able to enforce

But being there 90 mins before training is super common. The expectation is that they would be in the gym or working on other improvements, even just getting ready so that training starts on time. Not unreasonable at all imo
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Post by Kaladin Thu Nov 11, 2021 6:36 pm

It'll be funny seeing Barca fans' reaction when all these restrictions do fuck all, because they're starting forwards still is Braithwaite-De Jong-Dembele
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Post by BarrileteCosmico Thu Nov 11, 2021 10:13 pm

I don't think anyone expects Xavi to turn things around by introducing a little bit of discipline
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Post by Myesyats Thu Nov 11, 2021 11:17 pm

Bunch of nonsense in this thread Laughing

He's just enforcing rules that were in place during Pep era. Teamwork ,discipline. It won't do miracles, duh, but its essential to building a team as opposed to a cluster of individuals.

Arriving 1,5h before training is normal and he also copied this from Pep, as confirmed by Aguero last month:
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Kun: "At Man City, we used to arrive at least an hour & a half before training. Here, like half an hour before. I figured, I'm gonna be there an hour before, to see if I can do something in the gym or whatever. But no, even the lights were off."

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