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Post by Harmonica Wed May 19, 2021 4:35 pm

@danyjr wrote:3rd Crusade looks dope Thumbs up
Waiting all of them tbh. Bannerlord engine is pretty much perfect for these kinds of Kingdom of Heaven, Helm's Deep scenes. There's currently 2048 actor hard coded limit, but I hope they'll be able to unlock that when the game is released.

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Post by Lord Spencer Fri May 21, 2021 3:41 pm

#63(S)

Game: Oddworld: Abe's Oddysee:
Year: 1997.
Genre: Puzzle-Platformer.
Publisher: GT Interactive Software.
Developer: Oddworld Inhabitants.

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There is no doubt that the Oddworld was a unique breath of fresh air (despite Abe's foul farts) when it was first released on the PS1. It was an interesting Puzzle-Platformer with a unique look and a subversive story. Also, it had hugely ambitious lore behind it.

Yet, playing it now, I cannot but wonder at the patience players at the time must have had to enjoy it. Abe's Oddysee is a game that demands precision without being equipped for it and has some very obtuse solutions to puzzles on top of that.

That's not to say that its unique charm cannot be engaging some of the time.

"My name is Abe. I was employee of the year, now I am dead meat"

The opening cinematic cut-scene immediately establishes both the lore of Oddworld and the stakes of Abe's Oddysee. As a member of the enslaved Mudokon species, Abe works in a slave factory making food products for the Mudokon's Glukkon overlords.

At the beginning of the game, the sales of their food products have started deteriorating recently, and the Glukkon's were just about to start making and marketing some New 'n Tasty product. Unfortunately, for the Mudokons, they are the main ingredient of that product. Abe accidentally discovers that fact, and so begins his escape journey.

Despite there being little dialogue or implicit exposition, the game's world obviously depicts the terrible conditions of the enslaved Mudokons in hilariously Orwellian background text. Also, through the animation and personality of Abe and the other denizens of the universe, which partially remind me of the personality of the Earthworm Jim franchise, Oddworld becomes fully realized.

As such, the excellent setting and world of the game are still preserved and humorous today and are probably the primary reason anyone would have to experience the game.

"Don't play with your food. Unless it plays with you first"

On the other hand, I don't think that Abe's Oddysee's gameplay has stood the test of time. Simply put, it is both too precise and too cumbersome for its own good.

As a 2D Puzzle-Platformer, each screen in the game is populated with a puzzle to solve, and that is usually presented in three levels if you want to truly roleplay as Abe. First, you need to survive the danger yourself. Second, you need to neutralize the danger so that you can save your fellow Mudokons. Third, you need to make sure your fellow Mudokons survive the danger so that they can then teleport to safety.

Unfrotuantnetly, the solution to any of these puzzles can either be an obtuse and extremely specific and frame-specific maneuver or a frustrating dependency on AI behavior. For instance, grabbing into ledges can only happen if you jump from ONE exact location in the flow with no correction if you jumped before or after that VERY SPECIFIC point.

Also, your AI allies are idiots and completely unreliable. Sure, you are given and a number of commands you can give them, but these are mostly useless. So much that I enjoyed it more when those idiots fell to their death than when I actually managed to save them.

This frustration would be slight alleviated if the core gameplay was actually fun or rewarding in any way. Yet, I honestly found it boring, repetitive, and not worth the agony.

"Mudokons entering this door will be slaughtered and packaged as disgusting yet yummy novelty meat products"

In order to sell the lore of its world, Abe's Oddysee clearly needed to have some excellent visual design and direction, and that is undoubtedly true in this case. The Mudokon species have unique and expressive designs, and these designs are expertly animated as well.

This gives a lot of personality to the characters, which is supported by the oppressive personality of their enslaved world.

Unfrotuantnetly, the color palette is dark, which means that the screens start repeating style frequently, and that gets a bit boring after a while.

As for the game's sound effects. They are uniformly funny even if the Mudokon farts are not funny as the developers (or the Mudokons themselves) think. The limited voice command acting is also well-executed.

However, I don't recall the music having any presence in the game, and the soundtrack was mostly ambient with little oomph or pizazz to prop Abe's adventure up in any meaningful way.

In Conclusion:

Gamers regularly ignored the frustrating aspects of some games in the past when they had other good parts to them. At least, we were more used to unfair design and repeated failures.

Unfortunately for Abe's Oddysee, I don't think its unique and interesting world shields it from what I consider some unfairly precise gameplay, nor would I consider it fun even if it was slightly less frustrating.

There isn't anything odd about that.

Final: 5/10

Pros:

  • Excellent and original concept
  • Very good character animations and design


Cons:

  • Washed-up graphics and boring color palette
  • Figuring out what to do is not very intuitive
  • Platforming challenges are very tight and easy to mess up
  • Puzzle and platforming solutions are very specific and frame-perfect


"Tips"
1-Don't bother trying to save all the Mudokens to avoid frustration.

"Next Game"

Damn, I expected to like this game much more than I ended up doing, but it simply is not as fun to play as the story and setting deserves.

As such, I am not terribly excited about playing the game's prequel, Oddworld: Abe's Exodus which is considered the better game and is the one numbered 63 in the Retro Sanctuary list.

Stay Tuned
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Post by Warrior Fri May 21, 2021 4:38 pm

Nice job man. I read them all since many years, mostly because of your writing and method. Even those of Nintendo DS a console for which i had zero interest.

A new Oddworld was free last month on PS+ but exclusive to PS5 and i don't own. Reviews are very bad so it seems i missed on nothing. Oddworld New n Tasty is the real remake.

Was very young at the time, on PS1 i remember playing Driver 2 a lot, i would cruise in Chicago forever. Also Crash Bandicoot, Frogger and a Batman game whatever the name. Although those are all famous games and probably not worth a reviewing on your part.
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Post by Pedram Wed May 26, 2021 7:35 pm



Looks incredible tbh, makes me really excited for the upcoming generation.
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Post by danyjr Wed May 26, 2021 10:17 pm

Holy shit. Certain models look absolutely photorealistic.
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Post by RealGunner Wed May 26, 2021 11:09 pm

@Pedram wrote:

Looks incredible tbh, makes me really excited for the upcoming generation.


Always has been a cut above the rest so not surprised
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Post by RealGunner Wed May 26, 2021 11:11 pm

@Lord Spencer wrote:#63(S)

Game: Oddworld: Abe's Oddysee:
Year: 1997.
Genre: Puzzle-Platformer.
Publisher: GT Interactive Software.
Developer: Oddworld Inhabitants.

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I remember playing this game for like an hour and never touched it again as a kid. Man i absolutely hated it. Couldn't get past the first few levels lol.
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Post by Myesyats Thu May 27, 2021 9:13 am

WTF that looks so photorealistic. Mindblowing

File size ought to be ridiculous though right?

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Post by Pedram Fri May 28, 2021 6:33 pm

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Post by Thimmy Mon Jun 07, 2021 11:18 pm

Have any of you played the Scarlet Nexus demo? It reminds me quite a bit of Nier: Automata, but also Persona 5 a bit in terms of atmosphere. It’s definitely not for everyone, but the combat system seems quite unique and stylish, and I enjoyed the little I played through in the demo.

My only complaint is that my PS4 nearly choked when I was pulling a large construction vehicle on top of an enemy’s head. My old console can’t handle all of the fancy effects.

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Post by Harmonica Sat Jun 12, 2021 8:48 am

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Post by Great Leader Sprucenuce Sun Jun 13, 2021 4:46 pm



I have no idea what it will play like but it looks beautiful at least.

It kinda crept up but E3 started and the Avatar video is from Ubisoft's showcase yesterday.

The joint Bethesda/MS showcase is today in a little over a hour.
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Post by RealGunner Sun Jun 13, 2021 4:47 pm

Looking forward to Square Enix's conference later.
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Post by Firenze Sun Jun 13, 2021 4:56 pm

same

E3 has been dog shit, cant believe they were considering making ppl pay to watch this year lol

I'll also watch Microsoft's but I'm only really interested in Square and to a lesser extent Nintendo
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Post by Great Leader Sprucenuce Sun Jun 13, 2021 5:11 pm

Tbf there's been like 1 conference lol.
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Post by RealGunner Sun Jun 13, 2021 5:15 pm

It is always shit without Sony.
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Post by Firenze Sun Jun 13, 2021 5:53 pm

elder scrolls in 2026 then ffs
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Post by Great Leader Sprucenuce Sun Jun 13, 2021 5:54 pm

They shouldn't even talk about Elder Scrolls till it's ready like what's the benefit in teaser #56456
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Post by RealGunner Sun Jun 13, 2021 7:02 pm

So Starfield ends up being exclusive to Xbox. Looks like ES6 will be too and most if not all future fallout games.
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Post by RealGunner Sun Jun 13, 2021 7:03 pm



best news ffs

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Post by Firenze Sun Jun 13, 2021 9:09 pm

When I heard there would be a Final Fantasy Souls like game revealed, I was hyped. Hype is dead after that reveal. Looked pure cringe. CHAOOOS.
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Post by Great Leader Sprucenuce Sun Jun 13, 2021 10:42 pm

It looked like a bad DMC more than Souls.

NGL in the MS conference i was most hyped about the Sea of Thieves stuff Laughing
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Post by El Gunner Tue Jun 15, 2021 3:06 pm

i know this was flavour of the month at the beginning of the year, but just in case some of you missed out on it...

that Jimmy Neutron roast killed me

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6036KGPIVtg

brb bout to go watch some Digimon and reminiscence over my young'un years
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Post by Harmonica Wed Jun 16, 2021 8:59 am

STALKER 2 releasing 28.4.22 https://store.steampowered.com/app/1643320/STALKER_2_Heart_of_Chernobyl/

Gameplay trailer:



Starfield and Stalker 2 already in place for next year, gaming isn't dead yet although 2021 seems to be the worst year ever.
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