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Post by Hapless_Hans on Fri Apr 03, 2020 3:02 pm

The 'facts' being that somehow an executive order by the US president supersedes world trade between Germany and China?

GTFO of here man Laughing

The US are dumb fucks who are too late to deal with their shit and now act the bully and try to grab what they can

and that after they beat the rest of the world around the head constantly for 50 years with a coke bottle shaped club that reads "FREE TRADE"

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Post by Art Morte on Fri Apr 03, 2020 3:18 pm

What do you folks think of the nursing / care homes situation? There have been numerous reports about care homes becoming badly affected all over the world, from Seattle to Italy, Spain, France, Sweden... Today it was revealed that there are Covid-19 cases in at least three Finnish care homes and in one of them there have already been three deaths. That's a lot compared to our total fatalities number which is 20 right now.

Do you think that care homes being so badly affected suggests that there are vastly more asymptomatic Covid-people than anyone realizes? Care homes are one place where you won't get many asymptomatic cases, because the occupants are so vulnerable. The fact that care homes everywhere seem to fall to the virus makes me think there are even more asymptomatic spreaders than the experts estimate.
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Post by futbol_bill on Fri Apr 03, 2020 4:34 pm

Don’t feel alone Hans, Trump did the same thing to Canada stopping an order being delivered to Canada by 3M! Trump doesn’t realize that there are components made in Canada that are part of the process, as well as other medical supplies and personnel that are sent to the US. The Canadian PM is in discussion about this as there is the potential of a medical trade embargo coming between these two friendly countries.


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Post by Warrior on Fri Apr 03, 2020 6:03 pm

Agreed with Art
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Post by futbol_bill on Fri Apr 03, 2020 6:31 pm

It likely more a case of front line workers with in adequate protection.
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Post by The Demon of Carthage on Fri Apr 03, 2020 7:15 pm

So this is why I truly despise people who sell their souls for money. This guy uses exactly the same formula that Dr Didier Raoult uses in France to treat his patients:


Listen to what he has to say. Meanwhile in France, Dr Raoult is being mocked, demonized and even discredited by a herd of soulless doctors who apparently care more about money than anything else. They would rather watch everybody die if it meant their interest with pharmaceutical companies is protected.

+588 dead today in France (not counting those in homes).

Fuck all the greedy people of this world.

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Post by The Demon of Carthage on Fri Apr 03, 2020 7:27 pm

Let me please add just one more thing:

The combination of hydroxychloroquine/azithromycin only works when it's given at the early stage of the infection for the patient. Not just hydroxychloroquine and not just azithromycin. Both must be used.

If you wait after that, this treatment becomes literally useless. And what does France do? They authorize it only for patients in critical conditions. Are you freaking kidding me? It's like they want people to die.

I'm honestly baffled at how fucking disgusting the world we live in is. That certain people have the power to decide our fate and in most cases they choose money over saving lives if there's a conflict of interest and the treatment that is being put forth doesn't cost a lot for them to make something out of it.

Fuck them, down to their very last greedy son of a bitch in their ranks.

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Post by sportsczy on Fri Apr 03, 2020 9:44 pm

Yet...

https://www.wsj.com/articles/fed-will-launch-new-lending-facility-for-foreign-central-banks-11585657885

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Post by Nishankly on Sat Apr 04, 2020 6:28 am

@Art Morte wrote:What do you folks think of the nursing / care homes situation? There have been numerous reports about care homes becoming badly affected all over the world, from Seattle to Italy, Spain, France, Sweden... Today it was revealed that there are Covid-19 cases in at least three Finnish care homes and in one of them there have already been three deaths. That's a lot compared to our total fatalities number which is 20 right now.

Do you think that care homes being so badly affected suggests that there are vastly more asymptomatic Covid-people than anyone realizes? Care homes are one place where you won't get many asymptomatic cases, because the occupants are so vulnerable. The fact that care homes everywhere seem to fall to the virus makes me think there are even more asymptomatic spreaders than the experts estimate.


France heard you, they just announced +17000 cases to the total to account for nursing homes. Italy hasn't done it so far.
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Post by Jay29 on Sat Apr 04, 2020 7:04 am

Meanwhile in the UK, mass testing is really struggling to get off the ground.

As of April 2nd, the UK finally passed 10,000 tests per day. The government have set a target of 100,000 per day by the end of April, which seems wholly unrealistic at the rate they're going.

The big issue has been a lack of materials needed to make the tests. Our slow reaction meant we couldn't prepare enough supplies in time.

All those anti-body tests they bought? None met the "required accuracy standards", so as of now, that 100,000 per day target will mostly be anti-gen tests. Matt Hancock, our health secretary, said only 500 of those tests would be "highly accurate antibody tests".

I try to stay patient and understanding but the UK's general lack of readiness and organisation is really concerning and disappointing. I'm really struggling to trust any of the government's pledges right now just because of how incapable they seem to be of meeting them.

Also, it seems the UK based their strategy predominantly on mathematical models and behavioural science, not on public health or the advice of doctors. Compare to, say, Germany, who have based their strategy on advice from actual healthcare experts.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/apr/01/absolutely-wrong-how-uk-coronavirus-test-strategy-unravelled?

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Post by Unique on Sat Apr 04, 2020 8:44 am

@Jay29 wrote:Meanwhile in the UK, mass testing is really struggling to get off the ground.

As of April 2nd, the UK finally passed 10,000 tests per day. The government have set a target of 100,000 per day by the end of April, which seems wholly unrealistic at the rate they're going.

The big issue has been a lack of materials needed to make the tests. Our slow reaction meant we couldn't prepare enough supplies in time.

All those anti-body tests they bought? None met the "required accuracy standards", so as of now, that 100,000 per day target will mostly be anti-gen tests. Matt Hancock, our health secretary, said only 500 of those tests would be "highly accurate antibody tests".

I try to stay patient and understanding but the UK's general lack of readiness and organisation is really concerning and disappointing. I'm really struggling to trust any of the government's pledges right now just because of how incapable they seem to be of meeting them.

Also, it seems the UK based their strategy predominantly on mathematical models and behavioural science, not on public health or the advice of doctors. Compare to, say, Germany, who have based their strategy on advice from actual healthcare experts.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/apr/01/absolutely-wrong-how-uk-coronavirus-test-strategy-unravelled?
germany have the 4th highest infection rate in the world

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Post by Myesyats on Sat Apr 04, 2020 8:53 am

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Post by Jay29 on Sat Apr 04, 2020 9:35 am

@Unique wrote:
@Jay29 wrote:Meanwhile in the UK, mass testing is really struggling to get off the ground.

As of April 2nd, the UK finally passed 10,000 tests per day. The government have set a target of 100,000 per day by the end of April, which seems wholly unrealistic at the rate they're going.

The big issue has been a lack of materials needed to make the tests. Our slow reaction meant we couldn't prepare enough supplies in time.

All those anti-body tests they bought? None met the "required accuracy standards", so as of now, that 100,000 per day target will mostly be anti-gen tests. Matt Hancock, our health secretary, said only 500 of those tests would be "highly accurate antibody tests".

I try to stay patient and understanding but the UK's general lack of readiness and organisation is really concerning and disappointing. I'm really struggling to trust any of the government's pledges right now just because of how incapable they seem to be of meeting them.

Also, it seems the UK based their strategy predominantly on mathematical models and behavioural science, not on public health or the advice of doctors. Compare to, say, Germany, who have based their strategy on advice from actual healthcare experts.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/apr/01/absolutely-wrong-how-uk-coronavirus-test-strategy-unravelled?
germany have the 4th highest infection rate in the world


Yet far fewer deaths than we do.

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Post by Art Morte on Sat Apr 04, 2020 10:25 am

@futbol_bill wrote:It likely more a case of front line workers with in adequate protection.


Care home workers don't work in hospitals with Covid patients, though. If this many asymptomatic care home workers (or visitors, but I don't think visits have been allowed for a while now) are spreading the virus in to all these care homes, it makes me think there are many more asymptomatic people among us than anyone realises. There is no "frontline reason" for care home workers to spread corona this efficiently, because they don't work in hospitals.
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Post by Unique on Sat Apr 04, 2020 11:14 am

@Jay29 wrote:
@Unique wrote:
@Jay29 wrote:Meanwhile in the UK, mass testing is really struggling to get off the ground.

As of April 2nd, the UK finally passed 10,000 tests per day. The government have set a target of 100,000 per day by the end of April, which seems wholly unrealistic at the rate they're going.

The big issue has been a lack of materials needed to make the tests. Our slow reaction meant we couldn't prepare enough supplies in time.

All those anti-body tests they bought? None met the "required accuracy standards", so as of now, that 100,000 per day target will mostly be anti-gen tests. Matt Hancock, our health secretary, said only 500 of those tests would be "highly accurate antibody tests".

I try to stay patient and understanding but the UK's general lack of readiness and organisation is really concerning and disappointing. I'm really struggling to trust any of the government's pledges right now just because of how incapable they seem to be of meeting them.

Also, it seems the UK based their strategy predominantly on mathematical models and behavioural science, not on public health or the advice of doctors. Compare to, say, Germany, who have based their strategy on advice from actual healthcare experts.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/apr/01/absolutely-wrong-how-uk-coronavirus-test-strategy-unravelled?
germany have the 4th highest infection rate in the world


Yet far fewer deaths than we do.
that just means the people that are getting it are younger and fitter.

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Post by CBarca on Sat Apr 04, 2020 11:25 am

@Unique wrote:
@Jay29 wrote:
@Unique wrote:
germany have the 4th highest infection rate in the world


Yet far fewer deaths than we do.
that just means the people that are getting it are younger and fitter.


No it doesn't. The virus doesn't select for certain populations based on what country it's in. The virus doesn't give a shit.

Coronavirus isn't going "I'm in Germany? Better infect young and fit people"

Germany has the infection rate it does because the government is competent and has been testing at higher rates than anyone else since the beginning

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Post by CBarca on Sat Apr 04, 2020 11:31 am

Germany right now has 5x tests/1M population the UK does. They're doing way more testing.

UK, btw, has 4x the deaths/1M popoulation compared to Germany

UK's government has been feckless

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Post by Unique on Sat Apr 04, 2020 11:36 am

@CBarca wrote:
@Unique wrote:
@Jay29 wrote:


Yet far fewer deaths than we do.
that just means the people that are getting it are younger and fitter.


No it doesn't. The virus doesn't select for certain populations based on what country it's in. The virus doesn't give a shit.

Coronavirus isn't going "I'm in Germany? Better infect young and fit people"

Germany has the infection rate it does because the government is competent and has been testing at higher rates than anyone else since the beginning
germany has a higher infection rate than most incompedent countries. and the death rate is linked to how old you are and what health problems you have unless you want to believe that germany has found a way of stopping old sick people from dying.

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Post by CBarca on Sat Apr 04, 2020 11:37 am

@CBarca wrote:Germany right now has 5x tests/1M population the UK does. They're doing way more testing.

UK, btw, has 4x the deaths/1M popoulation compared to Germany

UK's government has been feckless


Sorry, let me quote myself, so that you understand.

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Post by Arquitecto on Sat Apr 04, 2020 11:37 am

Germany has handled it relatively well despite some odd blunders here and there.

Far far better than United Kingdom who despite their early efforts, have been embarrassing so far at it.

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Post by Unique on Sat Apr 04, 2020 11:38 am

@CBarca wrote:Germany right now has 5x tests/1M population the UK does. They're doing way more testing.

UK, btw, has 4x the deaths/1M popoulation compared to Germany

UK's government has been feckless
you do know that being tested does not stop you from dying dont you.

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Post by sportsczy on Sat Apr 04, 2020 11:38 am

Italy has done as many tests as Germany....  10.2k per 1M people compared to 10.9k per 1M people.  The issue is relative health of the population, demographics and hospital capacity.  Oh and UK is at 2.7k per 1 ML.

Here's the list of hospital beds by country:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_hospital_beds

it's shameful where the US stands.


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Post by Nishankly on Sat Apr 04, 2020 11:39 am

@Unique 61000 deaths crossed in 1 million cases compared to the 45 million of the flu.

Now just need your by state breakdown of Hospitalizations in those 4 months to compare that with the Corona virus to weigh the pressure on hospitals.
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Post by CBarca on Sat Apr 04, 2020 11:40 am

What you seem to not get is that "infection rate" or "# of cases" a country has is a fairly useless measure in *most* countries still at this point.

Because there are way too many people who have it for us to test. Not to mention asymptomatics.

The majority of people with Covid-19 are still being told to go home and isolate, even now. They aren't getting tested. So the # of cases is not linked to the # of people who have it, it's linked to the # of people tested.

UK has a much higher fatality rate because the UK government's incompetence and inability to get testing going on a larger scale.

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Post by sportsczy on Sat Apr 04, 2020 11:40 am

@Unique wrote:
@CBarca wrote:Germany right now has 5x tests/1M population the UK does. They're doing way more testing.

UK, btw, has 4x the deaths/1M popoulation compared to Germany

UK's government has been feckless
you do know that being tested does not stop you from dying dont you.

Yes it does in fact. The sooner you're diagnosed, the earlier you can get treatment... and the higher the likelihood you survive AND you don''t contaminate others.

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Post by Nishankly on Sat Apr 04, 2020 11:41 am

@sportsczy wrote:Italy has done as many tests as Germany....  10.2k per 1M people compared to 10.9k per 1M people.  The issue is relative health of the population, demographics and hospital capacity.  Oh and UK is at 2.7k per 1 ML.

Here's the list of hospital beds by country:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_hospital_beds

it's shameful where the US stands.


India in that list rofl
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