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Post by sportsczy Tue Apr 07, 2020 3:52 pm

Yeah but her politics are exactly what the majority of Americans want today. Unfortunately, the feeling I get from my interactions here is that people want a very aggressive stance internationally... she fits the profile.

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Post by Hapless_Hans Tue Apr 07, 2020 3:57 pm

She's got oceans full of blood on her hands tbh

Honestly, the situation in Libya is arguably even more of disaster than Iraq, but no Americans died so it's not an issue
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Post by sportsczy Tue Apr 07, 2020 4:35 pm

That's true and false.  The issue is that none of the "rebel" factions are strong enough to offer a national solution... mainly because Libya is a false country with false borders, but that's another discussion.  So in Libya, the US was strictly helping rebels overthrow the Gadaffi regime and there was no intent to assist or participate in anything post-change.

And honestly, it's not the responsibility of the US.  This stuff is supposed to be handled by the UN... as all countries keep crying about since forever.  So now that the US deferred to the UN, the UN failed miserably.  
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Post by FennecFox7 Wed Apr 08, 2020 7:56 am

Libya, Algeria, Egypt suffer from a corrupt oligarchy being funded and supported by the west and Europe. Especially Algeria. Our population protests peacefully for one whole year, and we have an even worse government  in charge.

You have to understand the situation in Libya.. it’s Algeria in the 80’s.. same bullshit, same faux Islamist vs secularists, Berber vs Arab (the tribal factions sports correctly referred to. Europe and the west royally fucked the Middle East and North Africa. Trump is a shitbag but he has nothing to do with it
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Post by Hapless_Hans Wed Apr 08, 2020 8:30 am

And we weren't talking about Trump, but about Obama's former national security adviser and ambassador to the UN, Susan Rice
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Post by FennecFox7 Wed Apr 08, 2020 1:22 pm

My point being is that it's no one persons fault specifically. Stability can be achieved in that region as long as the west doesn't interfere. Look at tunisia and morocco. Two safe countries progressing in the right direction.
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Post by Young Kaz Wed Apr 08, 2020 4:51 pm

Joe biden is the democratic nominee.

We can close this thread now.

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Post by Myesyats Wed Apr 08, 2020 5:44 pm

So we will never feel the Bern. I'm kind of sad because I wanted to see him in office just for a while at least.
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Post by FennecFox7 Wed Apr 08, 2020 11:41 pm

Just awful. Trump will win again. Hillary is miles sharper and more accomplished as a politician and she got beat.
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Post by Young Kaz Wed Apr 08, 2020 11:59 pm

FennecFox7 wrote:Just awful. Trump will win again. Hillary is miles sharper and more accomplished as a politician and she got beat.

Hillary was also hated on a level no politician has been in this country since Bush circa 2007.

Everybody likes Uncle joe. Even trump if you can listen to his old interviews.

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Post by CBarca Thu Apr 09, 2020 12:36 am

Young Kaz wrote:
FennecFox7 wrote:Just awful. Trump will win again. Hillary is miles sharper and more accomplished as a politician and she got beat.

Hillary was also hated on a level no politician has been in this country since Bush circa 2007.

Everybody likes Uncle joe. Even trump if you can listen to his old interviews.


The Hillary comparisons kill me every time. It's nonsense.

The thing that drives me the most crazy is that people assume because Hillary lost that Bernie would have won in 2016.

It's possible (and honestly, let's say it, it's extremely probable) that Hillary was the correct choice for Democrats in 2016, even though she ended up losing.

Again, I want to stress how much I prefer Bernie to both Hillary and Biden. But Bernie isn't getting elected in this United States, sorry. And to throw out the idea of moving towards progressive change through a more moderate politician in the name of only accepting the politics of progressive politicians like Bernie is not really a path I consider honorable.

Because that path gets us a LOT of Republican presidents, it gets us A LOT of conservative SC justices, and it gets us moving backwards, not forwards.
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Post by El Gunner Thu Apr 09, 2020 1:31 am

lol Trump's gunna win again
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Post by CBarca Thu Apr 09, 2020 4:40 am

El Gunner wrote:lol Trump's gunna win again


Would you like to present an argument or just an ill informed opinion?
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Post by Freeza Thu Apr 09, 2020 6:18 am

CBarca wrote:
El Gunner wrote:lol Trump's gunna win again


Would you like to present an argument or just an ill informed opinion?


I’d say because democrats have lost their morals. By voting for Biden they’re voting for the light version of Trump who has a warmongering past.

Here’s to hoping he’ll be a one term president who elects a forward thinking Vice President. Only bright side I can see at this point.

Feel so bad for all the normal people this will hurt. All the young people who’ll never get their health care and a fair chance at education.

But anyways. Biden it is. Good thing I don’t have to choose between lesser evils. Feels good to live in a country where politicians aren’t corrupt and actually care about their constituents. No matter what side of the isle they’re on.
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Post by Warrior Thu Apr 09, 2020 7:09 am

Biden is old as fuck Laughing
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Post by Freeza Thu Apr 09, 2020 7:13 am

Warrior wrote:Biden is old as fuck Laughing


And he’s obviously not well. That’s the biggest positive about him for me. His declining health.
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Post by FennecFox7 Thu Apr 09, 2020 10:11 am

People are tired of establishment politicians. Stop thinking in terms of Democrats and Republicans. I don’t care what party they belong to, the American people are tired of these establishment politicians.

At the end of the day Trump is viewed as anti-establishment, whether you like it or not that is the way he’s viewed in the US. And that’s why he got elected. Again wake up.
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Post by Art Morte Thu Apr 09, 2020 10:28 am

It is sad Biden is the best they could do.
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Post by Hapless_Hans Thu Apr 09, 2020 10:32 am

Unemployment will be massive, there will be recession and that's why Trump will lose, any Democratic nominee would be in a position to win vs Trump

Sanders too, without a doubt, the arguments for universal healthcare including sick day leave sound very good in times of Corona, even for people who weren't bothered before

and the financial sector too will probably receive massive bailouts from the taxpayers so they won't be in a very good position to mobilize against "socialist policies"..
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Post by Young Kaz Thu Apr 09, 2020 10:39 am

Freeza wrote:
CBarca wrote:
El Gunner wrote:lol Trump's gunna win again


Would you like to present an argument or just an ill informed opinion?


I’d say because democrats have lost their morals. By voting for Biden they’re voting for the light version of Trump who has a warmongering past.

Here’s to hoping he’ll be a one term president who elects a forward thinking Vice President. Only bright side I can see at this point.

Feel so bad for all the normal people this will hurt. All the young people who’ll never get their health care and a fair chance at education.

But anyways. Biden it is. Good thing I don’t have to choose between lesser evils. Feels good to live in a country where politicians aren’t corrupt and actually care about their constituents. No matter what side of the isle they’re on.


How is Biden the democrats "Losing their morals"?

Did they have their morals when over half voted for Bush's war in Iraq based on information people knew was a lie?

Did they have morals when we pushed through a crime bill that effectively made the prison industrial complex?(Sanders voted for this btw)

Did they have morals when we bombed an aspirin factory in the Sudan to take attention away from the leader of the party being found out for having an affair with an intern?

Did they have their morals when our party ok'ed the use of force and covert operations to play god in cuba? In central america? In Indochina?

Did they have their morals when the progressive sweetheart threw American citizens in concentration camps for the crime of having Japanese ancestry? Too far in the past? How about when Obama used drones to kill an American teenager because we didnt like his dad?

What are these morals you speak of? And how is Biden the point in which we lose them? Because he may have penetrated a female with his fingers who didnt consent? A dime a dozen with politicians. Because hes on video sniffing hair? Were these morals there when the leader of our party in the senate, the lion teddy kennedy, got away with murdering his mistress by getting drunk and driving into the ocean and leaving her to die overnight?

Joe Biden represents the status quo. The exact opposite of how trump positioned himself. Trump's appeal, outside of his vocal racism, came from how he was able to eviscerate his own party in a way that no one else could because he didnt have to work with them as a politician. He talked about how boring they were, how much of a fuck up Bush and Romney were, and how he was able to buy them. Biden's positioning is of the Party man. To claim hes a light version of a guy who got to where he was by shitting on his party is to simply be blinded by hatred stemming from something else I'd imagine.

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Post by CBarca Thu Apr 09, 2020 1:54 pm

FennecFox7 wrote:People are tired of establishment politicians. Stop thinking in terms of Democrats and Republicans. I don’t care what party they belong to, the American people are tired of these establishment politicians.

At the end of the day Trump is viewed as anti-establishment, whether you like it or not that is the way he’s viewed in the US. And that’s why he got elected. Again wake up.


Biden just won the Democratic Primary by a pretty hefty margin.

Your theory is wrong.

Now if you said people are more tired of establishment politicians than they used to be...sure. But the most recent voting and polling data do not reflect your argument
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Post by BarrileteCosmico Thu Apr 09, 2020 2:55 pm

Freeza wrote:
CBarca wrote:
El Gunner wrote:lol Trump's gunna win again


Would you like to present an argument or just an ill informed opinion?


I’d say because democrats have lost their morals. By voting for Biden they’re voting for the light version of Trump who has a warmongering past.

Here’s to hoping he’ll be a one term president who elects a forward thinking Vice President. Only bright side I can see at this point.

Feel so bad for all the normal people this will hurt. All the young people who’ll never get their health care and a fair chance at education.

But anyways. Biden it is. Good thing I don’t have to choose between lesser evils. Feels good to live in a country where politicians aren’t corrupt and actually care about their constituents. No matter what side of the isle they’re on.


Please indicate a point in time when they did have it
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Post by sportsczy Thu Apr 09, 2020 3:48 pm

So Trump or Biden... neymar
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Post by Freeza Thu Apr 09, 2020 4:17 pm

BarrileteCosmico wrote:
Freeza wrote:
CBarca wrote:

Would you like to present an argument or just an ill informed opinion?


I’d say because democrats have lost their morals. By voting for Biden they’re voting for the light version of Trump who has a warmongering past.

Here’s to hoping he’ll be a one term president who elects a forward thinking Vice President. Only bright side I can see at this point.

Feel so bad for all the normal people this will hurt. All the young people who’ll never get their health care and a fair chance at education.

But anyways. Biden it is. Good thing I don’t have to choose between lesser evils. Feels good to live in a country where politicians aren’t corrupt and actually care about their constituents. No matter what side of the isle they’re on.


Please indicate a point in time when they did have it


Yeah it was more about their moral high ground. Mistake in the writing of it.

They’ve been trying to present themselves as the moral option and criticised everything about Trump that Biden also is a representation of.

All of the candidates who dropped out have said stuff about Biden. But suddenly they support him for their own career gain than the actual good of the people.

It’s despicable really and I admire all the Americans who can keep their sanity when 95% of all politicians are like that.
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Post by The Demon of Carthage Thu Apr 09, 2020 4:32 pm

Freeza wrote:All of the candidates who dropped out have said stuff about Biden. But suddenly they support him for their own career gain than the actual good of the people.

It’s despicable really and I admire all the Americans who can keep their sanity when 95% of all politicians are like that.

You've raised an excellent point and you actually made me think of an interesting video I saw of Trevor not too long ago:



To me there's nothing more evil and controlling than telling me that I should vote for your candidate despite the fact that I don't agree with their policy just so we can beat the person on the other side.

And there's nothing more disappointing than seeing your favorite candidate after they had dropped out of the race give their support to someone from the same party who were criticizing vehemently during the race just so they can beat a candidate from the other institution.

It shows they didn't really mean what they were saying before, that they are dishonest and, most importantly, that they put other interests above those of the people.
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Post by elitedam Thu Apr 09, 2020 4:51 pm

They support the person from the same party because they agree with them on most issues. Do you guys only support politicians that match up with your beliefs 100 percent? Of course not. It's not that difficult to understand.

Biden gets you 70 percent of what Bernie supporters want. While Trump gets them piss and shit. If a Bernie supporter can't see that, then they're fucking idiots.

sportsczy wrote:So Trump or Biden...  neymar

Isn't this what you wanted? A more moderate candidate from the democrats?
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