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Re: Who will be the Democrats' presidential candidate against Trump?
Trump is a much better candidate for presidency than Biden if it comes to that. Hopefully he wipes the floor with him
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It's over now.
I suspect Majority of Bloomy's support would also go to BIDEN, but most important some of his $$.
Unfortunately, Bernie is very weak and beta.
4 years ago, he refused to bash Hillary on her obvious wrongdoings, and then after he got shafted by DNC, he bent over for them and promoted RussiaGate (which was created to shift blame from DNC to Putin) only to have establishment Dems and Hillary shit on him afterwise.
This year again, he had chance after chance to HIT really hard at Biden, but still playing nice. Cucked and Beta I am afraid, and I like the man, but sad to see.
He will still have some chance to show at least he has some balls in the upcoming 1 - 1 debate with Biden, almost certainly too little too late, but if I were a betting man, I'd bet on Sanders keeping to play nice and not mention Biden's huge corruption, Nepotism, senility and all. Because he'll be afraid that he'll be blamed once Biden gets destroyed by Donaldo.
Also, some interesting date re: Bernie's votes in 2016 and 2020.
His support among rural working-class white has gone down, as he pivoted from economic populism to Open Borders policy (he knows open borders keeps the wages down! but why not say it? ...to appeal to Latinos?) and embraced SJW Identity Politics with likes of Omar and AOC.
Free Health Care not only for all citizens but for ALL ILLEGALS too and ANYONE WHO ENTERS THE BORDER? like come on bro.
Bad strategic move...ask Corbyn how it went.
I suspect Majority of Bloomy's support would also go to BIDEN, but most important some of his $$.
Unfortunately, Bernie is very weak and beta.
4 years ago, he refused to bash Hillary on her obvious wrongdoings, and then after he got shafted by DNC, he bent over for them and promoted RussiaGate (which was created to shift blame from DNC to Putin) only to have establishment Dems and Hillary shit on him afterwise.
This year again, he had chance after chance to HIT really hard at Biden, but still playing nice. Cucked and Beta I am afraid, and I like the man, but sad to see.
He will still have some chance to show at least he has some balls in the upcoming 1 - 1 debate with Biden, almost certainly too little too late, but if I were a betting man, I'd bet on Sanders keeping to play nice and not mention Biden's huge corruption, Nepotism, senility and all. Because he'll be afraid that he'll be blamed once Biden gets destroyed by Donaldo.
Also, some interesting date re: Bernie's votes in 2016 and 2020.
His support among rural working-class white has gone down, as he pivoted from economic populism to Open Borders policy (he knows open borders keeps the wages down! but why not say it? ...to appeal to Latinos?) and embraced SJW Identity Politics with likes of Omar and AOC.
Free Health Care not only for all citizens but for ALL ILLEGALS too and ANYONE WHO ENTERS THE BORDER? like come on bro.
Bad strategic move...ask Corbyn how it went.
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Bloomberg has support?
Dude won American Samoa....and that's after spending $500 million of his own money.
If by support, you mean his vast warchest, then sure. Voters though? That does very little for Biden.
Dude won American Samoa....and that's after spending $500 million of his own money.
If by support, you mean his vast warchest, then sure. Voters though? That does very little for Biden.
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I see a conundrum in American politics.
1. Liberals represent some of the richest states in America, it goes against self interest for them to vote for democratic socialism and programs that they doesn't see in their immediate interest.
2. Most of the poorest states are represented by the GOP, yet they have the most incentive to vote for progressives program but their politicians do not and represent their best interest.
3. Liberal and progressives alliance is a failure. Liberals framework is not welcoming to many working class people. Most rural and poor communities do not relate to liberals and their tent.
4. Many Progressives come from the liberal world, so they promote a movement that is not relatable to the people who would galvanize toward it. Canada and Denmark are obviously great, but they are not the best frames to promote social programs. It would be much better to frame around FDR, arguably the most well known president who envisioned M4A. Another great American who fit this movement is Martin Luther King Jr, who described himself as a democratic socialist and passionately advocated against poverty.
A movement with the image of FDR and MLK jr would be much more powerful, than a foreign brand.
1. Liberals represent some of the richest states in America, it goes against self interest for them to vote for democratic socialism and programs that they doesn't see in their immediate interest.
2. Most of the poorest states are represented by the GOP, yet they have the most incentive to vote for progressives program but their politicians do not and represent their best interest.
3. Liberal and progressives alliance is a failure. Liberals framework is not welcoming to many working class people. Most rural and poor communities do not relate to liberals and their tent.
4. Many Progressives come from the liberal world, so they promote a movement that is not relatable to the people who would galvanize toward it. Canada and Denmark are obviously great, but they are not the best frames to promote social programs. It would be much better to frame around FDR, arguably the most well known president who envisioned M4A. Another great American who fit this movement is Martin Luther King Jr, who described himself as a democratic socialist and passionately advocated against poverty.
A movement with the image of FDR and MLK jr would be much more powerful, than a foreign brand.
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McLewis wrote:Bloomberg has support?
Dude won American Samoa....and that's after spending $500 million of his own money.
If by support, you mean his vast warchest, then sure. Voters though? That does very little for Biden.
Polls showed he had 15% of the democratic vote. So yes, he did have support... just not enough to be a viable candidate.
Biden's going to run away with this now. Everyone is ganging up against Sanders (thank god).
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Wow just watched a few clips from Sanders press conference. This idiot keeps promoting Joe Biden, saying he is a nice guy. While Biden and the DNC have tarnished him as a toxic candidate.
You can't be the anti establishment champion if you keep saying nice things about them. You can not compromise with them. Biden promoted the Iraq war, mass incarceration, war on drugs, lobbied on the part of the Credit Card and Medical companies. He has destroyed many lives, this is not someone you should say nice things about especially when you are running against them.
I am done with this clown.
You can't be the anti establishment champion if you keep saying nice things about them. You can not compromise with them. Biden promoted the Iraq war, mass incarceration, war on drugs, lobbied on the part of the Credit Card and Medical companies. He has destroyed many lives, this is not someone you should say nice things about especially when you are running against them.
I am done with this clown.
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^ told you mate literally half hour before Bernie’s conference.
Bernie is weak and spineless. He is deservedly eaten alive and then spit out in this world. Survival fo the fitttest is the rule and there is no room in the ruthless jungle for a beta like Bernie
Bernie is weak and spineless. He is deservedly eaten alive and then spit out in this world. Survival fo the fitttest is the rule and there is no room in the ruthless jungle for a beta like Bernie
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So I won't be in town next week for the Michigan Primary, but will be submitting an absentee vote.
I know for sure I'm not voting for Biden. A month ago, I would've said Warren likely had my vote for sure, but I'm bothered by her inability to see the bigger picture, swallow her pride and dislike for Bernie, and get behind him to bolster his support as the progressive answer to Biden. And I say this as someone who believes she's the better overall candidate than Bernie.
As such, it looks like I'll be voting Bernie. It will be an unenthusiastic vote for Bernie, but a vote for Bernie nonetheless.
Biden's currently ahead of him by 7 points here so he needs every vote he can get if he wants our 125 delegates. I expect Detroit to come out strong for Biden though.
I know for sure I'm not voting for Biden. A month ago, I would've said Warren likely had my vote for sure, but I'm bothered by her inability to see the bigger picture, swallow her pride and dislike for Bernie, and get behind him to bolster his support as the progressive answer to Biden. And I say this as someone who believes she's the better overall candidate than Bernie.
As such, it looks like I'll be voting Bernie. It will be an unenthusiastic vote for Bernie, but a vote for Bernie nonetheless.
Biden's currently ahead of him by 7 points here so he needs every vote he can get if he wants our 125 delegates. I expect Detroit to come out strong for Biden though.
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Imagine calling Bernie weak and spineless lol then calling him a beta. we finally have a guy going after the establishment and the crooks and people still find ways to criticize him
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What I've often observed is that Bernie's supporters are a lot more aggressive and uncompromising than Bernie himself is. What people forget about Bernie is that he is still a politician and politicians eventually always compromise. What separates the best ones from the worst are whether they can get their supporters to see those compromises as something other than what they really are. Perception is everything in politics.
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Bernie's issue is that he only speaks to his supporters... Â and unlike Trump, they aren't enough to get him a dem nomination let alone the presidency.
All he needs is to craft a message that make him semi-palatable to the less extreme. Â He's not going to do that.
It's a conundrum to be fair. Â His base is radical. Â So he can't move away from some of his crazy ideas without risking to lose some of his base. Â However, he can't win without compromising.
Just a bad candidate. It shows how crappy the choices are when you're left with either Biden or Bernie. Neither stand a chance against Trump.
All he needs is to craft a message that make him semi-palatable to the less extreme. Â He's not going to do that.
It's a conundrum to be fair. Â His base is radical. Â So he can't move away from some of his crazy ideas without risking to lose some of his base. Â However, he can't win without compromising.
Just a bad candidate. It shows how crappy the choices are when you're left with either Biden or Bernie. Neither stand a chance against Trump.
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McLewis wrote:What I've often observed is that Bernie's supporters are a lot more aggressive and uncompromising than Bernie himself is. What people forget about Bernie is that he is still a politician and politicians eventually always compromise. What separates the best ones from the worst are whether they can get their supporters to see those compromises as something other than what they really are. Perception is everything in politics.
I feel like this is only true if you aim to pass legislation, which Bernie hasn't really done in spite of being a Washington insider for 30+ years.
sportsczy wrote:It's a conundrum to be fair. His base is radical. So he can't move away from some of his crazy ideas without risking to lose some of his base. However, he can't win without compromising.
This has forever been the problem with ideologues and it's why they make poor general election candidates
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sportsczy wrote:Bernie's issue is that he only speaks to his supporters... Â and unlike Trump, they aren't enough to get him a dem nomination let alone the presidency.
All he needs is to craft a message that make him semi-palatable to the less extreme. Â He's not going to do that.
It's a conundrum to be fair. Â His base is radical. Â So he can't move away from some of his crazy ideas without risking to lose some of his base. Â However, he can't win without compromising.
Just a bad candidate. It shows how crappy the choices are when you're left with either Biden or Bernie. Neither stand a chance against Trump.
Sorry about your guy, Bloomberg withdrawing.
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FennecFox7 wrote:Imagine calling Bernie weak and spineless lol then calling him a beta. we finally have a guy going after the establishment and the crooks and people still find ways to criticize him
The problem is Sanders is running a terrible campaign, the way he talks about Joe Biden he might as well endorse him already.
1. He should call out Biden for being corrupt.
2. He needs to add more emphasis on corruption than about billionaire. The issue is in America wealth is good, on the other hand tells us about corruption we will be angry. I fully know Sanders can make the connection, but his messaging is not effective the way he is going about it.
When people think about Jeff Bazos, first thing they will think about how great Amazon is. Many even may think of him as philanthropist. But tell us about how he is not paying his worker livable wage, and thus they have to go on welfare to make ends meet. Which you as a taxpayer are basically paying his workers, while his wealth continues to skyrocket.
Talk about how many pharmaceutical labs are funded by you as a taxpayer, while they sell the product at a extremely high price.
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Neither stand a chance against Trump?
I get people are pissed but iirc most polling showed Biden and Bernie both ahead of Trump in rust belt states. So yeah, they do.
Now whether that polling holds during the race is another question. But "no chance"? Lmao
I get people are pissed but iirc most polling showed Biden and Bernie both ahead of Trump in rust belt states. So yeah, they do.
Now whether that polling holds during the race is another question. But "no chance"? Lmao
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Freeza wrote:sportsczy wrote:Bernie's issue is that he only speaks to his supporters... Â and unlike Trump, they aren't enough to get him a dem nomination let alone the presidency.
All he needs is to craft a message that make him semi-palatable to the less extreme. Â He's not going to do that.
It's a conundrum to be fair. Â His base is radical. Â So he can't move away from some of his crazy ideas without risking to lose some of his base. Â However, he can't win without compromising.
Just a bad candidate. Â It shows how crappy the choices are when you're left with either Biden or Bernie. Â Neither stand a chance against Trump. Â
Sorry about your guy, Bloomberg withdrawing.
He's the only one that ran both a city (New York) and a company (Bloomberg) with enormous success. Â Too bad you need to be an actor to become president these days... Â actually knowing what you're doing and experience are secondary.
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Why is Jeff Bezos or Amazon or, more importantly, Amazon shareholders required to pay anyone more than the law requires? You don't have to accept a job at Amazon and you can quit at any time.
If you want "livable wages" (whatever that means), it's a legislative issue, not a company one. If there were so many other better opportunities, nobody would work for Amazon.
What the fuck.
If you want "livable wages" (whatever that means), it's a legislative issue, not a company one. If there were so many other better opportunities, nobody would work for Amazon.
What the fuck.
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Welfare and social net programs are not created for Billionaires like Jeff Bazos to take advantage of. If those social programs are not available, then those workers would not be available to work at the rates Amazon is paying them because they would not survive.
A normal taxpayer like myself and many other should not be on the hook to pay for the richest man alive workers.
Most exit poll show that Bernie ideas are very popular; Biden is winning based on the premise that he is the best to beat Donald Trump. Most dems consider beating Trump as the most important issue.
I do not think many Americans have really listened to Biden in recent years, if they were exposed to the many mental errors on the campaign trail they would have serious reservation.
A normal taxpayer like myself and many other should not be on the hook to pay for the richest man alive workers.
Most exit poll show that Bernie ideas are very popular; Biden is winning based on the premise that he is the best to beat Donald Trump. Most dems consider beating Trump as the most important issue.
I do not think many Americans have really listened to Biden in recent years, if they were exposed to the many mental errors on the campaign trail they would have serious reservation.
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Trump responds to Biden criticizing his response to the coronavirus by suggesting that Biden is too senile to even know what he is criticizing pic.twitter.com/OPwJRfHaJG
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damn
Biden is such a bad candidate I'd be rooting for Trump, if i were american
Biden is such a bad candidate I'd be rooting for Trump, if i were american
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Myesyats wrote:damn
Biden is such a bad candidate I'd be rooting for Trump, if i were american
I'd imagine you'd vote for Trump because you re a conservative more so than Biden being a bad candidate.
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Its a pretty damning indictment on 18-29 year olds though.
Sanders promised them the moon(student debt cancellation, free college) and they STILL didnt show up.
Its quite amazing really.
Glad I turned 30 last year and left that demographic.
Sanders promised them the moon(student debt cancellation, free college) and they STILL didnt show up.
Its quite amazing really.
Glad I turned 30 last year and left that demographic.
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Young Kaz wrote:Myesyats wrote:damn
Biden is such a bad candidate I'd be rooting for Trump, if i were american
I'd imagine you'd vote for Trump because you re a conservative more so than Biden being a bad candidate.
On the american spectrum i'd say i'm quite central these days, leaning more to the left.
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Myesyats wrote:Young Kaz wrote:Myesyats wrote:damn
Biden is such a bad candidate I'd be rooting for Trump, if i were american
I'd imagine you'd vote for Trump because you re a conservative more so than Biden being a bad candidate.
On the american spectrum i'd say i'm quite central these days, leaning more to the left.
People who "Lean to the left" dont cheer for a guy who thinks abortion should be illegal over a guy like biden
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I'm not sure I buy the low young voter turnout narrative just yet. Not with stories like this making the rounds:
This guy is obviously not 18-29, however this looks like a case of clear voter suppression. It impacts communities of color and therefore young people of color.
The last voter at Texas Southern University has walked out of the voting booth. It took Hervis Rogers nearly 7 hours to vote tonight. #supertuesday2020 pic.twitter.com/kEQ0HgPZHg
— ed lavandera (@edlavaCNN) March 4, 2020
This guy is obviously not 18-29, however this looks like a case of clear voter suppression. It impacts communities of color and therefore young people of color.
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