Re: The Coronavirus Thread - Part 1

[Kaladin]

Update on Doha:

-Confirmed cases is 200+ still, no deaths
-Closed cinemas, parks, public places, etc
-40% of employers are urging their employees to work from home
-Travel ban on many many countries, the rumors says there will be a country wide lockdown by next week.
-Ministry has recommended people pray at home and not at mosques, they've advised many mosques to close down and regular cleaning between prayer hours, additionally, you cannot stay at a mosque more than 15 mins.

As for me, i've already paid for a wedding hall for June, and unfortunately it falls under the category of the second point above. Not sure what im gonna do, if i can recoup the deposit i've made, previously i was thinking this will blow over in a month or 2, but it seems that isn't the case.

Just now also, the ministry says they might put a travel ban on US+UK+Egypt due to uncertainty with regards to their public health situation @Jay @RG

I really hope this shit is over soon, can't have come at a more inconvenient time

[Babun]

Maybe someone could create a more positive thread about the global quarantine ?

Like what to do to pass the time
Some unexpected positive effects
Good news that will eventually come out

Because this thread is quite depressive, yet very important. But i don't want to follow the stats & numbers, but still willing to talk about "life under coronavirus", it helps me get through it

The whole reaction affects my morale not my fears, i feel childish for it, sports is more important in my life than i thought

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kzCOmHk4Zoc

Ballerinas of Scala keeping themselves in check for the time afterwards. I've got a list of books, games and bodyweight exercises assembled for the time when the shutdown arrives in Germany.

Companies in the US are leading the way, rather than the government. I know of a lot of companies that are implementing WFH policies until the end of march, hopefully mine follows through (right now I have to go back to the office on Monday)

Unfortunately this has a bad effect on part timers and the gig economy. A friend is a dental hygienist and her hours got slashed by over half as her dentist is located next to a lot of (now depopulated) offices.

Here in MA there are still not enough tests. People go in asking for them and they get told they can't have it.

US of A will have more than enough test kits soon. The problem is rather the infrastructure: someone needs to take those tests, deliever to the labs and have lab personnel to evaluate them. You will lose one more week on that one.

[El Gunner]

My family is panicking, saying I won't be able to come back at all once the virus spreads lol

go home Nish, it's a circumstance to be with your family

[zigra]

Drosten has talked about peak around June-August ....Referred to Germany or to the Europe ?

The info is outdated (Drosten meant the world). Back then, Drosten assumed the Wuhan virus spread would weaken during summer for us to make preparations for the fall/winter 2020/2021. As you saw in the link above, the virus can survive up to 3 days outside and has got a R0=3 every seven days.

Err.. it's actually the exact opposite (see quote below)? He said that because the virus won't weaken during the summer he expects us to experience the peak from June to August. Which makes more sense to me btw as why would we experience the peak in summer if the virus wouldn't be able to withstand summer temperatures?

"Meine Einschätzung bezüglich der weiteren Entwicklung in Deutschland hat sich in der vergangenen Woche durch eine Studie geändert: Eine Modellstudie aus den USA prognostiziert, dass Temperatureffekte auf das Virus relativ klein sind", sagte Drosten. "Der Studie nach zu urteilen glaube ich jetzt, dass wir eine durchlaufende Infektionswelle zu erwarten haben und das Maximum der Fälle zwischen Juni und August eintritt." https://www.spiegel.de/wissenschaft/medizin/coronavirus-wie-geht-es-weiter-mit-sars-cov-2-a-73160cc3-8dbc-4a89-90b0-c489bfd53661

[Babun]

Drosten has talked about peak around June-August ....Referred to Germany or to the Europe ?

The info is outdated (Drosten meant the world). Back then, Drosten assumed the Wuhan virus spread would weaken during summer for us to make preparations for the fall/winter 2020/2021. As you saw in the link above, the virus can survive up to 3 days outside and has got a R0=3 every seven days.

Err.. he actually said the exact opposite (see quote below)? That because the virus won't weaken during the summer he expects us to experience the peak from June to August. Which makes more sense to me btw as why would we experience the peak in summer if the virus wouldn't be able to withstand summer temperatures?

"Meine Einschätzung bezüglich der weiteren Entwicklung in Deutschland hat sich in der vergangenen Woche durch eine Studie geändert: Eine Modellstudie aus den USA prognostiziert, dass Temperatureffekte auf das Virus relativ klein sind", sagte Drosten. "Der Studie nach zu urteilen glaube ich jetzt, dass wir eine durchlaufende Infektionswelle zu erwarten haben und das Maximum der Fälle zwischen Juni und August eintritt." https://www.spiegel.de/wissenschaft/medizin/coronavirus-wie-geht-es-weiter-mit-sars-cov-2-a-73160cc3-8dbc-4a89-90b0-c489bfd53661

He has got 12 podcasts as of now, you can follow him by typing "NDR podcast Drosten" into the search engine of your choice. In the earlier ones, he expected the epidemic to weaken during summer then he revised his view after it became clear the virus spreading rate RO wouldn't fall by much because human to human transmission and survival outside for up to 3 days would reduce the RO from 3 to 2.5, not significant enough to halt the spread.

[zigra]

The info is outdated (Drosten meant the world). Back then, Drosten assumed the Wuhan virus spread would weaken during summer for us to make preparations for the fall/winter 2020/2021. As you saw in the link above, the virus can survive up to 3 days outside and has got a R0=3 every seven days.

Err.. he actually said the exact opposite (see quote below)? That because the virus won't weaken during the summer he expects us to experience the peak from June to August. Which makes more sense to me btw as why would we experience the peak in summer if the virus wouldn't be able to withstand summer temperatures?

"Meine Einschätzung bezüglich der weiteren Entwicklung in Deutschland hat sich in der vergangenen Woche durch eine Studie geändert: Eine Modellstudie aus den USA prognostiziert, dass Temperatureffekte auf das Virus relativ klein sind", sagte Drosten. "Der Studie nach zu urteilen glaube ich jetzt, dass wir eine durchlaufende Infektionswelle zu erwarten haben und das Maximum der Fälle zwischen Juni und August eintritt." https://www.spiegel.de/wissenschaft/medizin/coronavirus-wie-geht-es-weiter-mit-sars-cov-2-a-73160cc3-8dbc-4a89-90b0-c489bfd53661

He has got 12 podcasts as of now, you can follow him by typing "NDR podcast Drosten" into the search engine of your choice. In the earlier ones, he expected the epidemic to weaken during summer then he revised his view after it became clear the virus spreading rate RO wouldn't fall by much.

Yeah I know, I usually put them on in the background. I also don't think the rest of your post was wrong, just wanted to point that out.

Btw I think that spreading it out like he proposes makes more sense than trying to "eradicate" it with a complete lockdown. There's a high chance we won't succeed (I mean even if we would some other country might not so the virus would still be around and at some point you'd expect the virus to make its way back into countries that have eradicated it) and I don't really think that in our society you could do a total lockdown more often than once. No country can do this on its own and the whole world is not going to do it together.

[The Demon of Carthage]

My family is panicking, saying I won't be able to come back at all once the virus spreads lol

go home Nish, it's a circumstance to be with your family

I would advise against it. Nish might be carrying the virus without even knowing it.

Going back home from a red zone would inevitably put his family at a very high risk as well of getting it.

I myself live in a red zone right now and I canceled my flight home for the same very reason. Can't risk infecting other people.

[Babun]

Rincon and Babun 

do you remember what I've reported  about Macron  just yesterday Macron ? He gave an insane message to the nation ,  the  coronavirus 'd not have changed French habits, concerts , parties, everything  must go on

Exactly today , he makes a total volt-face
He announces that France 'll close school and universities for two weeks and he says a grave messagge . This
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Coronavirus is France’s 'greatest health crisis in a century', says Macron <a href="https://t.co/4PN0TXnR5l">https://t.co/4PN0TXnR5l</a> via <a href="https://twitter.com/FRANCE24?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@FRANCE24</a></p>— Ahmed (@Cherni__) <a href="https://twitter.com/Cherni__/status/1238233437934440450?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">March 12, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

As Italian  ,when I look at abroad  I feel as Jim Carrey in the Truman Show, when he's finally realized what it's going to happen in the world around him.

To tell you the truth, I felt Schadenfreude when I saw him humbled. Trump is getting humbled, Ali Chamenei is getting humbled, everyone who thought they were special or untouchable are getting humbled. At the same time, the scale of the spread in such a short time frame feels kinda surreal/scary

Abroad seems Italy in two weeks :
the initial denial of the virus , the comparison with the flu, the various nuances of "starting over", the controversy  about the tampons, you understand it's serious so closing school and universities for 2 weeks , you understand it's not enough and you'll close also cities, you understand it's not enough and you 'll close also bar and pubs...

The reaction is very homo sapiens like: ignorance -> denial of facts -> realisation -> panic -> reactive measures-> ..
We're at that stage right now.

[Hapless_Hans]

My family is panicking, saying I won't be able to come back at all once the virus spreads lol

go home Nish, it's a circumstance to be with your family

No it's not, lol, if your family is old people it's a circumstance to NOT go be with them.
This is not the apocalypse ffs. It's a new virus that's dangerous for older people which is why there's a lot of action undertaken to slow its spreading, nothing less, nothing more.
The internet will still work. There will be food in the supermarket, and also, there will still be toilet paper produced. People need to stop shitting their pants, it doesn't cause diarrhea ffs

[Babun]

Err.. he actually said the exact opposite (see quote below)? That because the virus won't weaken during the summer he expects us to experience the peak from June to August. Which makes more sense to me btw as why would we experience the peak in summer if the virus wouldn't be able to withstand summer temperatures?

"Meine Einschätzung bezüglich der weiteren Entwicklung in Deutschland hat sich in der vergangenen Woche durch eine Studie geändert: Eine Modellstudie aus den USA prognostiziert, dass Temperatureffekte auf das Virus relativ klein sind", sagte Drosten. "Der Studie nach zu urteilen glaube ich jetzt, dass wir eine durchlaufende Infektionswelle zu erwarten haben und das Maximum der Fälle zwischen Juni und August eintritt." https://www.spiegel.de/wissenschaft/medizin/coronavirus-wie-geht-es-weiter-mit-sars-cov-2-a-73160cc3-8dbc-4a89-90b0-c489bfd53661

He has got 12 podcasts as of now, you can follow him by typing "NDR podcast Drosten" into the search engine of your choice. In the earlier ones, he expected the epidemic to weaken during summer then he revised his view after it became clear the virus spreading rate RO wouldn't fall by much.

Yeah I know, I usually put them on in the background. I also don't think the rest of your post was wrong, just wanted to point that out.

Btw I think that spreading it out like he proposes makes more sense than trying to "eradicate" it with a complete lockdown. There's a high chance we won't succeed (I mean even if we would some other country might not so the virus would still be around and at some point you'd expect the virus to make its way back into countries that have eradicated it) and I don't really think that in our society you could do a total lockdown more often than once. No country can do this on its own and the whole world is not going to do it together.

Yeah, Kekule's proposal has got feasability issues but if all countries cooperate with each other (meaning, rich countries will help poor ones, too), it's possible and the economical damage would be far less than the prolonged version.
I'm most afraid the epidemic could hit India hard. That would be an unstoppable blow. If you ask me, all first world countries should think about India, Indonesia etc. as well and help them as much as they can NOW. We in Europe and the US of A will complain a lot etc. but the problem will be contained at some point. There, it could to public breakdown or even civil wars which could spread throughout ASIA.

My family is panicking, saying I won't be able to come back at all once the virus spreads lol

go home Nish, it's a circumstance to be with your family

No it's not, lol, if your family is old people it's a circumstance to NOT go be with them.
This is not the apocalypse ffs. It's a new virus that's dangerous for older people which is why there's a lot of action undertaken to slow its spreading, nothing less, nothing more.
The internet will still work. There will be food in the supermarket, and also, there will still be toilet paper produced. People need to stop shitting their pants, it doesn't cause diarrhea ffs

They prepare for the "shice partys" indoors

[El Gunner]

My family is panicking, saying I won't be able to come back at all once the virus spreads lol

go home Nish, it's a circumstance to be with your family

No it's not, lol, if your family is old people it's a circumstance to NOT go be with them.
This is not the apocalypse ffs. It's a new virus that's dangerous for older people which is why there's a lot of action undertaken to slow its spreading, nothing less, nothing more.
The internet will still work. There will be food in the supermarket, and also, there will still be toilet paper produced. People need to stop shitting their pants, it doesn't cause diarrhea ffs

and if your grandparents pass away without you being there and countries are in lockdown?

it's pretty simple really, go test yourself, find out your status, and go home .

[Hapless_Hans]

go home Nish, it's a circumstance to be with your family

No it's not, lol, if your family is old people it's a circumstance to NOT go be with them.
This is not the apocalypse ffs. It's a new virus that's dangerous for older people which is why there's a lot of action undertaken to slow its spreading, nothing less, nothing more.
The internet will still work. There will be food in the supermarket, and also, there will still be toilet paper produced. People need to stop shitting their pants, it doesn't cause diarrhea ffs

and if your grandparents pass away without you being there and countries are in lockdown?

it's pretty simple really, go test yourself, find out your status, and go home .

You can't "test yourself", if you're young and don't have symptoms, not sure whether it makes sense to get tested since testing capabilities are always limited too. Just follow the basic instructions, hygiene, distance, no necessary gatherings, don't visit your grandparents. That's all ffs.

[Robespierre]

Hapless is correct for half.

YES, Personally  I ' m mainly worried for my olds, and in fact I avoid contacts as soon as possible, so   narrative "being close to grandparents" .. No , they're some more exposed than everyone.
I'm talking for personal experience.
Stopped to hug, kissing, I maintain a safe distance from others ( as others do with me ) whenever I must go at grocery or post office ( those necessary thing, and I feel even less  "serious" than others because I still don't like to have that mask on face . I resist with Inter scarf )

It's  not  correct also to say it's a virus just for old people though.

In Bergamo ( the biggest fireplace in Italy,  basically the Italian Whulan atm )  people old 40-45 years are going to be hospitalized now  .

The first Italian to have been poisitive, the so-called patiente one , was a marathoner (so even a sportman) old 38 years and he 's been for 3 long weeks hospitalized for  respiratory failure. Now he's safe.  

Yes, if you want to listen a reassuring thing for us  , so far   NO young  people   (10-20- 30  years... )at a risk  , but we can be real carriers  for our olds.

Basically virus can hit everyone, old people are   more exposed ? Yes .
but it is not  only their matter.

In most of cases it's just fever or big cough ( as been for footballers ),. yes,   but in worst cases coronavirus means respiratory distress ( = intensive care) . It means you have to be tubed because of respiratory distress. And okay , if you 've German health service ... 28'000 places for intensive cares ... is a thing .. but for example Italy've just 5'000 and we're close to saturation .... and that's  our real problem....

I know everyone likes listening just good thing, perhaps apocalypse is the proper term for Spanish flu , but that's the most dramatic health situation of the whole Post-war.
That's a fact and we can get over only if we protect orselves. For  our good and for that of others.

if there's a thing I've really understood about corona is that.. every attempt to minimize it ... to feel better with itself ... it's wrong .  It must be dealt with as such . Something unprecedented. And world / us must stop , stay at home , reducing every sort of contact because it's the only way.

Yes, it ' ll pass , but it'll pass as soon as possible if   each one of us makes his part.

[Vibe]

Yeah, you can't just get tested.

We have people coming in every day demanding to be tested, because they work abroad and we've had cases where Austria and Germany won't let them go back without a negative test.

However, we have just 1000 tests to cover the whole country (not sure if we got more in the meantime) and we just can't test unless it's really necesarry. There are private tests you can do, but I'm not sure if they are officially acknowledged. Those are more to make sure you know whether you have it or not...

[El Gunner]

imagine thinking you're the only one in the world that is capable of passing on the virus to your grandparents or not, as if their aren't other people they come into contact with

but yea, i know i'd rather be with my family in such a time of uncertainty where things could get worse fast

[BarrileteCosmico]

Maybe someone could create a more positive thread about the global quarantine ?

Like what to do to pass the time
Some unexpected positive effects
Good news that will eventually come out

Because this thread is quite depressive, yet very important. But i don't want to follow the stats & numbers, but still willing to talk about "life under coronavirus", it helps me get through it

The whole reaction affects my morale not my fears, i feel childish for it, sports is more important in my life than i thought

There's never been a better time to pick up a hobby.

Buy a guitar /new book series / take online classes / start to learn how to code /etc

[Babun]

In most of cases it's just fever or big cough ( as been for footballers ),. yes,   but in worst cases coronavirus means respiratory distress ( = intensive care) . It means you have to be tubed because of respiratory distress. And okay , if you 've German health service ... 28'000 places for intensive cares ... is a thing .. but for example Italy've just 5'000 and we're close to saturation .... and that's  our real problem.....

This is bullshit said by our politicians to calm the people. From 28000 beds, only 80% are used because there isn't medical staff for the rest to take care of the patients. Those 80% aren't free, you have people with cancer and other serious illnesses already hospitalized there. One cannot relocate them all of a sudden to somewhere else. There is no health care system in the world that can cope with that many ICU patients. The only way is to slow down the spread, true for Italy, Germany, anywhere.

@positive News:
remdesivir seems to be working against the Wuhan virus. WHO, RKI (Robert Koch Institut) and a lab in UK are conducting tests. If it works they will proceed with mass production.

There is also an alternative proposal: controlled infection of children. They're virtually unaffeced but the immunised ones would halt the spread significantly.

[Nishankly]

I'm on both sides of the view but going back would first mean a 14 day quarantine with unknown strangers in a shit location with shit facilities away from civilization and then there is also the fact I have my final exams now online during the next 2 weeks.

Today I went to collect my visa from the prefecture immigration before stage 3 shuts everything else down. It was crowded mostly of travellers and foreigners. There was an French speaking maghrebi lady with a mask on coughing quite a lot in a confined space where atleast 40 of us were waiting in line. Count down to 14 begins. Psychologically I already feel something in my throat

[Robespierre]

I'm on both sides of the view but going back would first mean a 14 day quarantine with unknown strangers in a shit location with shit facilities away from civilization and then there is also the fact I have my final exams now online during the next 2 weeks.

Today I went to collect my visa from the prefecture immigration before stage 3 shuts everything else down. It was crowded mostly of travellers and foreigners. There was an French speaking maghrebi lady with a mask on coughing quite a lot in a confined space where atleast 40 of us were waiting in line. Count down to 14 begins. Psychologically I already feel something in my throat

 in Italy you see African ppl who had emigrated here who are doing the reverse path  now ... It 'll be glad Salvini, he'll think to have resolved the """problem"" of the immigration

Anyway I'd say it is a worldwide epidemic. You should have came back equally in your country or it's because of coronavirus?

[Robespierre]

imagine thinking you're the only one in the world that is capable of passing on the virus to your grandparents or not, as if their aren't other people they come into contact with

but yea, i know i'd rather be with my family in such a time of uncertainty where things could get worse fast

Not only grandparents, but also parents. Also parents are  exposed
I try to not create panic but seriously it must not pass the message that it's a virus just for a range age
so I am young so I can continue my life, it won't concern me
you can get it, as football players show it, so infect others, it means to fortify  virus etc
moreover ppl also old 40 in intensive care show that it can't be banalized
About grandparents anyway the basis is they must stay at home. It shouldn't be a thing so difficult to do . If they are at home they can get contacts just with their dears, mantaining a safety distance , avoiding physical contacts ( exactly as I do. Number of persons reduced to own dears, no contacts). If  even olds cannot stay at home...

Coronavirus must be faced as a war, with the great difference that our olds had to go in war. We must just stay at home.

[Nishankly]

I'm on both sides of the view but going back would first mean a 14 day quarantine with unknown strangers in a shit location with shit facilities away from civilization and then there is also the fact I have my final exams now online during the next 2 weeks.

Today I went to collect my visa from the prefecture immigration before stage 3 shuts everything else down. It was crowded mostly of travellers and foreigners. There was an French speaking maghrebi lady with a mask on coughing quite a lot in a confined space where atleast 40 of us were waiting in line. Count down to 14 begins. Psychologically I already feel something in my throat

 in Italy you see African ppl who had emigrated here who are doing the reverse path  now ... It 'll be glad Salvini, he'll think to have resolved the """problem"" of the immigration

Anyway I'd say it is a worldwide epidemic. You should have came back equally in your country or it's because of coronavirus?

The visa? That's my extension for France. India I don't know what to do yet. I have a year on my French visa right now but sitting in France with this job market and this outbreak could end up being a waste of time.

Plus I'm not French and can't converse things in French with respect to being sick or at that level yet. I'm quite sure, I won't be given the same level of treatment if shit blows up like Italy.

[sportsczy]

@Babs... that's the big issue.  ICU beds, staff, equipment, etc. to treat the people that get complications.  That's the threat that will kill people = not having the capacity to treat people who need it.

As it is, it's very difficult to get tested in the US.  I think that the government here, without saying it, has just accepted that there are too many people to test.  They only want people who are in a high-risk group or really sick to tax the health system.

In short, don't count on the government for anything.  The statistics are nonsense. Count on yourself and make smart choices.

[zigra]

No it's not, lol, if your family is old people it's a circumstance to NOT go be with them.
This is not the apocalypse ffs. It's a new virus that's dangerous for older people which is why there's a lot of action undertaken to slow its spreading, nothing less, nothing more.
The internet will still work. There will be food in the supermarket, and also, there will still be toilet paper produced. People need to stop shitting their pants, it doesn't cause diarrhea ffs

and if your grandparents pass away without you being there and countries are in lockdown?

it's pretty simple really, go test yourself, find out your status, and go home .

You can't "test yourself", if you're young and don't have symptoms, not sure whether it makes sense to get tested since testing capabilities are always limited too. Just follow the basic instructions, hygiene, distance, no necessary gatherings, don't visit your grandparents. That's all ffs.

Imagine thinking it's a great idea to get yourself tested while you show no symptoms at all and the system is completely overstretched just cause you want to visit your grandparents.

Incredible egoism.

[Robespierre]

I'm on both sides of the view but going back would first mean a 14 day quarantine with unknown strangers in a shit location with shit facilities away from civilization and then there is also the fact I have my final exams now online during the next 2 weeks.

Today I went to collect my visa from the prefecture immigration before stage 3 shuts everything else down. It was crowded mostly of travellers and foreigners. There was an French speaking maghrebi lady with a mask on coughing quite a lot in a confined space where atleast 40 of us were waiting in line. Count down to 14 begins. Psychologically I already feel something in my throat

 in Italy you see African ppl who had emigrated here who are doing the reverse path  now ... It 'll be glad Salvini, he'll think to have resolved the """problem"" of the immigration

Anyway I'd say it is a worldwide epidemic. You should have came back equally in your country or it's because of coronavirus?

The visa? That's my extension for France. India I don't know what to do yet. I have a year on my French visa right now but sitting in France with this job market and this outbreak could end up being a waste of time.

Plus I'm not French and can't converse things in French with respect to being sick or at that level yet. I'm quite sure, I won't be given the same level of treatment if shit blows up like Italy.

Ah ok , perfect.
I wanted to advise exactly this but I believed you were saying other thing ...
In your situation I'd have chosen for staying in France.
It's worldwide epidemic , not European, so I feel more sure to stay there.

[Freeza]

and if your grandparents pass away without you being there and countries are in lockdown?

it's pretty simple really, go test yourself, find out your status, and go home .

You can't "test yourself", if you're young and don't have symptoms, not sure whether it makes sense to get tested since testing capabilities are always limited too. Just follow the basic instructions, hygiene, distance, no necessary gatherings, don't visit your grandparents. That's all ffs.

Imagine thinking it's a great idea to get yourself tested while you show no symptoms at all and the system is completely overstretched just cause you want to visit your grandparents.

Incredible egoism.

Yeah it doesn’t even help them. I haven’t visited by great grandma since the virus came to Denmark because I wouldn’t want to endanger her, since I could pretty easily transfer it.

Instead I just call her every day. Makes her really happy despite having a hard time remembering new information.

[El Gunner]

and if your grandparents pass away without you being there and countries are in lockdown?

it's pretty simple really, go test yourself, find out your status, and go home .

You can't "test yourself", if you're young and don't have symptoms, not sure whether it makes sense to get tested since testing capabilities are always limited too. Just follow the basic instructions, hygiene, distance, no necessary gatherings, don't visit your grandparents. That's all ffs.

Imagine thinking it's a great idea to get yourself tested while you show no symptoms at all and the system is completely overstretched just cause you want to visit your grandparents.

Incredible egoism.

okay saviour of humanity i wonder if you can see you're the one with the incredible egoism here

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