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Post by El Gunner on Tue Jul 07, 2020 9:09 pm

revive your Saka thread my guy

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Post by Helmer on Tue Jul 07, 2020 9:10 pm


I will just pray that he doesnt end up at Everton like Iwobi !

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Post by Helmer on Tue Jul 07, 2020 9:11 pm

@BarrileteCosmico wrote:Liverpool have doubled revenues in 6 years

https://theathletic.com/1899560/2020/07/03/liverpool-title-money-deloitte-league-manchester-united-hogan-billy/


could not open the article.

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Post by RealGunner on Tue Jul 07, 2020 9:12 pm

BC is a strong believer in capitalism

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Post by El Gunner on Tue Jul 07, 2020 9:16 pm

@Helmer wrote:

I will just pray that he doesnt end up at Everton like Iwobi !

im sure this is just a joke, but even as a joke this doesn't fly because have you actually seen Saka play mate? no comparison can be made between the two

Iwobi never came close to 12 assists in all comps ever, this boy is the real deal, we just have to pray he doesn't get serious injuries.

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Post by Winter is Coming on Tue Jul 07, 2020 9:29 pm

@danyjr wrote:
@Nishankly wrote:
@danyjr wrote: Anyone?


Goal Difference, then I think goals scored then if the same then we go to H2H
United are fucked then.

Ole out.


United GD is better then Chelsea and Wolves and the form there in I'd suspect there GD will go up.

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Post by danyjr on Tue Jul 07, 2020 10:03 pm

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Post by Helmer on Tue Jul 07, 2020 10:06 pm

what did I miss, everything was going good for Arsenal ??????????
I controlled so much from typing the usual "if Arsenal defenders play simple and do not do stupid mistakes, they should easily win this one"

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Post by RealGunner on Tue Jul 07, 2020 10:07 pm

Nketiah got sent off.
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Post by El Gunner on Tue Jul 07, 2020 10:21 pm

im so angry man,,, i dont even know why i still get this angry because IT'S CLEAR, SO CLEAR for the longest time ever that the Premier League and their referees have it in for us. They always find a way to fuck us over whenever they can

if i was in England right now i would have walked all the way to go through firebombs into the referee headquarters.

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Post by Helmer on Tue Jul 07, 2020 10:26 pm

@El Gunner wrote:
@Helmer wrote:

I will just pray that he doesnt end up at Everton like Iwobi !

im sure this is just a joke, but even as a joke this doesn't fly because have you actually seen Saka play mate? no comparison can be made between the two

Iwobi never came close to 12 assists in all comps ever, this boy is the real deal, we just have to pray he doesn't get serious injuries.

of course Saka is legit. But I have seen such words thrown around for Iwobi also in the past, wouldnt take too long if I start digging Laughing
Just wanted to say that I hope, he can keep on playing like this. Seems like a real down to earth talent with a very high ceiling.

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Post by Firenze on Tue Jul 07, 2020 10:31 pm

you had 1 job ffs
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Post by Jay29 on Tue Jul 07, 2020 10:56 pm

Funny how Vardy kicking Mustafi in the head is an accident yet Nketiah's foul is a straight red.

Ah well. Doesn't change the fact we should have been up by two goals at half time. Lacazette has no confidence in front of goal right now.

Counting on Wolves, Spurs, Sheffield Utd and Burnely dropping points now so we can stay in the race for EL. 2020, everyone.

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Post by danyjr on Tue Jul 07, 2020 11:32 pm

@Firenze wrote:you had 1 job ffs
Honestly, their GD is far higher than yours it wouldn't have mattered. Leicester still need to drop points for United to finish top 4.

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Post by Nishankly on Tue Jul 07, 2020 11:34 pm

How does the EL work this year outside 5th place? League cup and FA cup affect this?
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Post by Nishankly on Tue Jul 07, 2020 11:35 pm

@danyjr wrote:
@Firenze wrote:you had 1 job ffs
Honestly, their GD is far higher than yours it wouldn't have mattered. Leicester still need to drop points for United to finish top 4.


Leicester play United on the final day of the season. Stock up on groceries for that imo
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Post by Firenze on Tue Jul 07, 2020 11:37 pm

I think Spurs will take points from Leicester. Maybe Sheffield United too.

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Post by JespSwe on Wed Jul 08, 2020 12:06 am

whats with leicester all of sudden a big struggle to bang goals...
i havent watch their game for a while now but is vardy, perez, tielemans, maddison, barnes struggling bad?

they were going left right and center before the breaks..
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Post by Nishankly on Wed Jul 08, 2020 12:12 am

@JespSwe wrote:whats with leicester all of sudden a big struggle to bang goals...
i havent watch their game for a while now but is vardy, perez, tielemans, maddison, barnes struggling bad?

they were going left right and center before the breaks..


Maddison was an important player for the team and he's been injured, similar to us losing Henderson during 2013-2014.

But this is nothing new, this is prime Rodgers, bottles it at the end always. The only reason stopping him from being a great manager and being part of regular discourse, makes a great team with a great system but messes it up by the end of every season, exactly why he got fired from Liverpool.
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Post by JespSwe on Wed Jul 08, 2020 12:19 am

@Nishankly wrote:
@JespSwe wrote:whats with leicester all of sudden a big struggle to bang goals...
i havent watch their game for a while now but is vardy, perez, tielemans, maddison, barnes struggling bad?

they were going left right and center before the breaks..


Maddison was an important player for the team and he's been injured, similar to us losing Henderson during 2013-2014.

But this is nothing new, this is prime Rodgers, bottles it at the end always. The only reason stopping him from being a great manager and being part of regular discourse, makes a great team with a great system but messes it up by the end of every season, exactly why he got fired from Liverpool.


oh i see i was wondering where maddison was XD thanks for that info
yea whats with rodgers changing players or tactics a lot . been seeing that frequently too ... ok lot of games in succession but..

i still thought though they were team capable of getting goals - regardless of results ... the results of late has been appaling really .. marginal goal wins - draws -

i think that early contract extension to rodgers didnt help XD
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Post by Casciavit on Wed Jul 08, 2020 12:59 am

@danyjr wrote:
@Casciavit wrote:You've made more "BuT MAhReZ's FaULt" posts than I ever have regarding Mahrez. Your non-stop attempt at trying to make it a meme is cute. Based on my post history I only called out Mahrez after his performances against Madrid, Spurs, and one back on December 15 which was against Arsenal. I credited him for his Leicester performance but said he'd go back to his usual ways which have been the case since.

As for scapegoating him when the team plays like shit. Well, everyone already knows the likes of Otamendi, Stones, and Mendy are a bunch of klutz. Gundogan playing worse the higher up the pitch he has to play has been said for 4 years. Rodri has been underwhelming. Sterling's form took a dive because he plays every game. From what I've seen those guys tend to get a lot of flak already.

Either way, City has the ball for 70% of the game. There's going to be a bigger magnifying glass on underperforming attacking players since they get more opportunities. The games above I shamed Mahrez for is absolutely justified. He did nothing against Spurs and then his failed short corner lead to Zinchenko getting a red card because he had to commit a tactical foul. Against Madrid, he missed chance after chance. I talk about him because there's nothing interesting about beating the "Otamendi is shit" drum lmfao. It's already known.  Wink

Ultimately, my stance on Mahrez remains after two seasons of watching him. For all the potential benefits Mahrez can provide, City tends to look worse when he's on the pitch. For every performance, he had like the one against Leicester, there are five performances where he underwhelms and contributes very little to the attack.  

He's overrated, so he's on a fraud alert. Deal with it. Credit to Mole who has been on it since the beginning though. Truly one of GL's finest posters.
Maybe I have made more posts like that but more or less I was really trying to get a reaction out of you and exposing the fact that you scapegoat him unfairly Wink

And while I agree with your post (and most contributions you've made on this forum), you can be unfair on players you don't like. And on the other hand you big up a few players disproportionately, such as decent but nothing special La Liga defender Laporte like they are prime Beckenbauer. You and Arq's lovechild has cost City bigger games than Mahrez has, yet he gets free passes all the time by you. I concur that he is City's best centre back, but he ain't special at all. Kompany was special, not the guy who can't win a NT cap and is behind Mamadou freaking Sakho in the pecking order ffs Laughing


This is GL. Hyperbole is part and parcel of this forum. Someone is either the best in the world or is a fraud. Laughing

I don't recall Laporte costing City as many games as you suggest? I remember the Spurs one in the CL. It's funny because he was pretty spotless that entire season in terms of individual mistakes and then he passed the ball to them twice in 10 minutes. He's been injured all season this year so I don't really recall a specific instance.

Even then I don't think Laporte is that high on the players I've bigged up. He's easily City's best defender. I think the general consensus is he's a top 3 CB in the PL, and most would place him second after Van Dijk. I've never referred to him as the best CB in the world either. I've been calling Van Dijk that since 2018, and before that Ramos. I wouldn't even put Laporte in my top 3 in the world. Not sure when I ever bigged him up like prime Beckenbauer. hmm

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Post by Katy Perry on Wed Jul 08, 2020 1:04 am

@RealGunner wrote:
The amount of wondergoals conceded by Kepa is unbelievable. I get it that part of that is due to lazy defending, and also that some of them are genuinely unsavable shots, but he has an habit of folding every time the shot he's receiving is slightly more difficult than a routine save. Not to mention that he always makes his saves more difficult and spectacular than what they really are.

Oh and part of the reason we decided to break a record to buy him is because of his ability on the feet. Well, he straight up gives the ball away in critical areas once a game at least, and we've been extremely lucky not to concede more goals in those situations.

Terrible buy so far. I don't even think his "highs" warrants us to gamble one more season hoping that he will fix it. Should just accept the fat L, sell him for a huge loss and replace him with anyone really. Worst save percentage in the history of the PL rofl Chelsea have fewer xGA than Liverpool rofl
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Post by Kick on Wed Jul 08, 2020 1:15 am

@Katy Perry wrote:
@RealGunner wrote:
The amount of wondergoals conceded by Kepa is unbelievable. I get it that part of that is due to lazy defending, and also that some of them are genuinely unsavable shots, but he has an habit of folding every time the shot he's receiving is slightly more difficult than a routine save. Not to mention that he always makes his saves more difficult and spectacular than what they really are.

Oh and part of the reason we decided to break a record to buy him is because of his ability on the feet. Well, he straight up gives the ball away in critical areas once a game at least, and we've been extremely lucky not to concede more goals in those situations.

Terrible buy so far. I don't even think his "highs" warrants us to gamble one more season hoping that he will fix it. Should just accept the fat L, sell him for a huge loss and replace him with anyone really. Worst save percentage in the history of the PL rofl Chelsea have fewer xGA than Liverpool rofl


Kepa is straight up bad, and the biggest liability in our defence.

He does not claim crosses or anything outside 2 yards in front of goal, he lacks the height to save shots, like Zaha's effort, and the defense know this. they panic when the ball is in our area because they don't trust him, which makes everyone else look worse.

We'd look so much better next season with a commanding GK instead of Kepa, but he'll be next to impossible to move on. Another Torres, imo. A good player who doesn't fit in and was overpriced.

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Post by BarrileteCosmico on Wed Jul 08, 2020 2:00 am

@Helmer wrote:
@BarrileteCosmico wrote:Liverpool have doubled revenues in 6 years

https://theathletic.com/1899560/2020/07/03/liverpool-title-money-deloitte-league-manchester-united-hogan-billy/


could not open the article.


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Post by Helmer on Wed Jul 08, 2020 1:51 pm

@Nishankly wrote:
@JespSwe wrote:whats with leicester all of sudden a big struggle to bang goals...
i havent watch their game for a while now but is vardy, perez, tielemans, maddison, barnes struggling bad?

they were going left right and center before the breaks..


Maddison was an important player for the team and he's been injured, similar to us losing Henderson during 2013-2014.

But this is nothing new, this is prime Rodgers, bottles it at the end always. The only reason stopping him from being a great manager and being part of regular discourse, makes a great team with a great system but messes it up by the end of every season, exactly why he got fired from Liverpool.

Rodgers likes complicating things too much. Just try to imagine and compare the situation how Klopp spent and made adjustments to his team after losing Coutinho for 150m and how Rodgers would have addressed the same situation. I think Rodgers also have good ideas in terms of training players, tactics, team building but he is limited overall. I am curious how far he would take Leicester and where he will go after that.

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Post by Arquitecto on Wed Jul 08, 2020 4:06 pm

Kepa is the (2nd) best GK in the Premiership so no point arguing that. He'll come good.


And Rodgers limits and finite thinking is what stopped him for us. He is one to learn as he is one of those few from the isles who traveled outside of England and learned in Spain to Netherlands and has shown growth but his mentality is provincial to the core and does tend to miss the bigger picture beyond match days.

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