Quique Setién Official Thread

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Quique Setién Official Thread

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Against Ibiza, from what i could see, he used a 3 man defensive line. Something new that didn't really seem to work out. It could also be the lack of actual CB's in this formation + no real #9 on the team

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[futbol]

Have no expectations, one of many Spanish midtable coaches that tries to play prime Pepcelona ball without being an expert at the concept and no experience with elite players.

80 % possession, 1 shot at half time against 3rd division opponent. Typical Setienball which we've seen during his Betis days already when he used to lose 0-4 with 80 % possession.

[Myesyats]

No expectations too, just get us on the right track because Valverde completely sucked the life out of all these players.

[Hapless_Hans]

Think he will be good.
Be glad that you've got a proper experienced coach in, and that the club didn't do that hazardous gamble with Xavi

[futbol]

Think he will be good.

If we needed any more of a death kiss.

As good as Démbéle I suppose.

[alexjanosik]

Have no expectations, one of many Spanish midtable coaches that tries to play prime Pepcelona ball without being an expert at the concept and no experience with elite players.

80 % possession, 1 shot at half time against 3rd division opponent. Typical Setienball which we've seen during his Betis days already when he used to lose 0-4 with 80 % possession.

Valid criticism. One counter to that would be that we appear more solid and could possibly concede less chances. Under Valverde and his 4-4-2, we were on the backfoot against mediocre opponents and used to concede a ton of chances.
Another positive is the chances he may give to La Masia players.

[Kebab]

Posession football is outdated and is exposed.this is why L.Enrique changed that tactic. Now this coach tries to bring that plan again to satisfy some naive fans. Barca needed Simeone or Klopp type coach to play agressive football. Valverde was trying to do it after liverpool loss, but they didnt give him time and instead they brought weak and dead playing style again

[jibers]

Posession football is outdated and is exposed.this is why L.Enrique changed that tactic. Now this coach tries to bring that plan again to satisfy some naive fans. Barca needed Simeone or Klopp type coach to play agressive football. Valverde was trying to do it after liverpool loss, but they didnt give him time and instead they brought weak and dead playing style again

It isn't outdated or exposed. What is possession football exactly? that's just a random word like tiki taka. So the City that got 100 points last season and Ajax that reached the semi finals are now outdated?

Like any strategy you need the right personnel and right execution. Positional play is probably the "hardest" style to implement on new players.

Barca can't use positional play because of the poor recruitment by your board, players that simply dont fit together and Messi. Simple. I'll post what I did earlier today:

You can have him after this game

Honestly though he's a great player but NOT the CF you're looking for. He's played as a RF for the majority of his Valencia career and he's been absolutely unplayable there. But Messi is an obstacle

That's the elephant in the room that Barca fans never want to discuss. Doesn't press, offers zero movement off the ball, overloads the centre and vacates the wings, constantly causing barca to face overloads either through the wing or through the middle.

Messi is a big issue and has been a big issue for years. The poor signings don't help but to execute positional play properly Messi has to go. That's just it.


Also if you think Simeone will come and make Barca with Messi play aggressively I don't know what to tell you. Messi can barely sprint for 5 m and you want Simeone to make him play aggressively? Impossible. Messi doesn't press and hasn't done so for years, he breifly did it for half of the 14.15 season and last time he did it consistently was the 10/11 season.

You think Klopp would be able to play the football he does with Liverpool with Messi in the side? No chance. Enrique changed to a counter attacking style and he lost to Juventus and with Neymar and Messi and Suarez at their peak he lost Laliga...

[Thimmy]

Posession football is outdated and is exposed.this is why L.Enrique changed that tactic. Now this coach tries to bring that plan again to satisfy some naive fans. Barca needed Simeone or Klopp type coach to play agressive football. Valverde was trying to do it after liverpool loss, but they didnt give him time and instead they brought weak and dead playing style again

It isn't outdated or exposed. What is possession football exactly? that's just a random word like tiki taka. So the City that got 100 points last season and Ajax that reached the semi finals are now outdated?

Like any strategy you need the right personnel and right execution. Positional play is probably the "hardest" style to implement on new players.

Barca can't use positional play because of the poor recruitment by your board, players that simply dont fit together and Messi. Simple. I'll post what I did earlier today:

You can have him after this game

Honestly though he's a great player but NOT the CF you're looking for. He's played as a RF for the majority of his Valencia career and he's been absolutely unplayable there. But Messi is an obstacle

That's the elephant in the room that Barca fans never want to discuss. Doesn't press, offers zero movement off the ball, overloads the centre and vacates the wings, constantly causing barca to face overloads either through the wing or through the middle.

Messi is a big issue and has been a big issue for years. The poor signings don't help but to execute positional play properly Messi has to go. That's just it.


Also if you think Simeone will come and make Barca with Messi play aggressively I don't know what to tell you. Messi can barely sprint for 5 m and you want Simeone to make him play aggressively? Impossible. Messi doesn't press and hasn't done so for years, he breifly did it for half of the 14.15 season and last time he did it consistently was the 10/11 season.

You think Klopp would be able to play the football he does with Liverpool with Messi in the side? No chance. Enrique changed to a counter attacking style and he lost to Juventus and with Neymar and Messi and Suarez at their peak he lost Laliga...

This is such an anti-GL post. Klopp would make any team win. There is no such thing as the wrong players or poor players, just wrong managers and poor managers who’s man management ability isn’t up to scratch

[alexjanosik]

Posession football is outdated and is exposed.this is why L.Enrique changed that tactic. Now this coach tries to bring that plan again to satisfy some naive fans. Barca needed Simeone or Klopp type coach to play agressive football. Valverde was trying to do it after liverpool loss, but they didnt give him time and instead they brought weak and dead playing style again

It isn't outdated or exposed. What is possession football exactly? that's just a random word like tiki taka. So the City that got 100 points last season and Ajax that reached the semi finals are now outdated?

Like any strategy you need the right personnel and right execution. Positional play is probably the "hardest" style to implement on new players.

Barca can't use positional play because of the poor recruitment by your board, players that simply dont fit together and Messi. Simple. I'll post what I did earlier today:

You can have him after this game

Honestly though he's a great player but NOT the CF you're looking for. He's played as a RF for the majority of his Valencia career and he's been absolutely unplayable there. But Messi is an obstacle

That's the elephant in the room that Barca fans never want to discuss. Doesn't press, offers zero movement off the ball, overloads the centre and vacates the wings, constantly causing barca to face overloads either through the wing or through the middle.

Messi is a big issue and has been a big issue for years. The poor signings don't help but to execute positional play properly Messi has to go. That's just it.


Also if you think Simeone will come and make Barca with Messi play aggressively I don't know what to tell you. Messi can barely sprint for 5 m and you want Simeone to make him play aggressively? Impossible. Messi doesn't press and hasn't done so for years, he breifly did it for half of the 14.15 season and last time he did it consistently was the 10/11 season.

You think Klopp would be able to play the football he does with Liverpool with Messi in the side? No chance. Enrique changed to a counter attacking style and he lost to Juventus and with Neymar and Messi and Suarez at their peak he lost Laliga...

I completely agree. A lot of our fanbase think the coach is and was the issue. I am fairly certain Klopp cant get us playing his style. I watch most Liverpool games and the amount they run is crazy. And it starts with their forwards who put in an inhuman amount of work. Good luck getting gegen pressing to work with Messi.

[Kebab]

Jibers no, possession football only looks good on eyes these days. in the past, connection of 9 la masia players and unplayable messi made it work. Now its useless to test it on players who barely played 1 year together. City or ajax didnt win any CL. Instead teams like Liverpool and R.Madrid win it and a teams like Tottenhem and A.Madrid reach the finals, none of them play possession football

How Messi is the issue? Barca had one issue throughout season and that was Liverpool loss. and in that match Messi was the best player, actually he won his ballon dor for that match.Even in away game he was best barca player.you can go and watch the match again

If winning la liga was the problem im sure messi would work hard to win it. But nobody cares about it, young and new players run a lot to get playing time

Anyway this whole messi thing is ridiculous, some people think if he leaves, barca will dominate like 2009 barca and win many CLs. There are many top teams without messi. and none of them dominates football. they win one CL from time to time and then dissapear. But some naive fans here try hard to bring 2009 barca back again.will never happen. it was once a life time connection of 9 la masia players in the same team. not cryuff football or anything.
stop dreaming about it

[Hapless_Hans]

Posession football is outdated and is exposed.this is why L.Enrique changed that tactic. Now this coach tries to bring that plan again to satisfy some naive fans. Barca needed Simeone or Klopp type coach to play agressive football. Valverde was trying to do it after liverpool loss, but they didnt give him time and instead they brought weak and dead playing style again

It isn't outdated or exposed. What is possession football exactly? that's just a random word like tiki taka. So the City that got 100 points last season and Ajax that reached the semi finals are now outdated?

Like any strategy you need the right personnel and right execution. Positional play is probably the "hardest" style to implement on new players.

Barca can't use positional play because of the poor recruitment by your board, players that simply dont fit together and Messi. Simple. I'll post what I did earlier today:

That's the elephant in the room that Barca fans never want to discuss. Doesn't press, offers zero movement off the ball, overloads the centre and vacates the wings, constantly causing barca to face overloads either through the wing or through the middle.

Messi is a big issue and has been a big issue for years. The poor signings don't help but to execute positional play properly Messi has to go. That's just it.


Also if you think Simeone will come and make Barca with Messi play aggressively I don't know what to tell you. Messi can barely sprint for 5 m and you want Simeone to make him play aggressively? Impossible. Messi doesn't press and hasn't done so for years, he breifly did it for half of the 14.15 season and last time he did it consistently was the 10/11 season.

You think Klopp would be able to play the football he does with Liverpool with Messi in the side? No chance. Enrique changed to a counter attacking style and he lost to Juventus and with Neymar and Messi and Suarez at their peak he lost Laliga...

This is such an anti-GL post. Klopp would make any team win. There is no such thing as the wrong players or poor players, just wrong managers and poor managers who’s man management ability isn’t up to scratch

So Messi is a "poor player" now?
You're obsession with what "GL" is, says or does is weird. It's both a constant straw man battle (as noone ever argued that there are 'no poor or wrong players'), and on substance the point you're making is absurd.
Of course the right manager is the most important part. And what the right manager does, is making it work.
Klopp is making it work, and that includes players who work more against the ball, and who work less in order to maximise their attacking assets (Mourinho called it "privileged positions" in his brief stint as pundit). Namely, Salah.
Salah doesn't have to work as hard against the ball because Firmino does, for example. In turn, Salah will be in a position to score more often.
The same way, a good manager will make it work with Messi. He'll take a look what Messi can contribute and what has to be sacrificed, and then find a balanced setup. And let's not pretend that what Messi contributes doesn't matter

There is no 100% way of playing some pure ideology. This is fantasy land. Pep too, it's always a mixture of elements, as it should be. Which is also btw what's ultimately interesting and attractive about the football of teams set up by great managers, the mixture of elements, and how they make it work.

[jibers]

I completely agree. A lot of our fanbase think the coach is and was the issue. I am fairly certain Klopp cant get us playing his style. I watch most Liverpool games and the amount they run is crazy. And it starts with their forwards who put in an inhuman amount of work. Good luck getting gegen pressing to work with Messi.

Yea, it's been the case for years but the club has become so subservient to one player that they have basically handed control of the club to him. It's basically Messi and friends. Cruyff said Messi should have been sold years ago and in hindsight he was right imo.

Jibers no, possession football only looks good on eyes these days. in the past, connection of 9 la masia players and unplayable messi made it work. Now its useless to test it on players who barely played 1 year together. City or ajax didnt win any CL. Instead teams like Liverpool and R.Madrid win it and a teams like Tottenhem and A.Madrid reach the finals,  none of them play possession football

How Messi is the issue? Barca had one issue throughout season and that was Liverpool loss. and in that match Messi was the best player, actually he won his ballon dor for that match.Even in away game he was best barca player.you can go and watch the match again

If winning la liga was the problem im sure messi would work hard to win it. But nobody cares about it, young and new players run a lot to get playing time

Anyway this whole messi thing is ridiculous, some people think if he leaves, barca will dominate like 2009 barca and win many CLs. There are many top teams without messi. and none of them dominates football. they win one CL from time to time and then dissapear. But some naive fans here try hard to bring 2009 barca back again.will never happen. it was once a life time connection of 9 la masia players in the same team. not cryuff football or anything.
stop dreaming about it

Kebab please tell me what possession football is. What is it specifically. Liverpool had more possession than Manchester United in their last game in the EPL so did they play "possession football" according to you? It's a generic term that means nothing. Be specific, what does it mean tactically?

Again I must ask you this, do you think even Simeone would be able to execute his plan with Messi? A style and tactics that involves his teams running into a ground and can't have any passengers?

Funny you bring up the CL semi finalists from last season. The one thing they all had in common is that they all worked hard on and off the ball. Tottenham, Spurs and Ajax played with the intensity of Championship sides. Put Klopp and Simoene in Barcelona, with the recruitment strategy and Messi's workrate, there is noway they would be even able to implement their styles. If you can't understand that then I don't know what to say.

If Messi leaves now Barcelona would most likely suffer because of the structure around it. The recruitment is awful. Why is Griezmann in the team when his best position is in the space Messi occupies? Just strange stuff all round. You think Klopp would be doing so well if Liverpool's recruitment and analytics weren't doing well? Liverpool are literally Moneyball at the moment with FSG. It took them years and it is paying off massively.

Using CL wins to judge a 'style' doesn't make sense. I suppose Barcelona should also play like Chelsea in 2012 and put 11 men in their box?

it's already to late. Barcelona have to keep Messi now and ride him out or restructure the whole club and stick with it. The style can be used if implemented properly. Using Ajax, a team whose squad cost less than van Dijk to say that the style does not work makes no sense. If anything, it shows that with the right recruitment and players, the style can be successful.

Let's just agree to disagree.

[Kebab]

Jibers, because CL is the most prestigous award. Ok i agreed to disagree. One thing i want to say is that i also get angry when Messi walks, but i cant find the reason how it affect team titles. La liga is guaranteed every season, walk or run doesnt matter. and no barca fan can blame Messi for not running in important CL games. In fact he is one who cares the most about Barca's success, because he has so much competition in team and personal level. Failure hits him with double kicks. So i'm 100% sure he tries his best to make Barca win every title. And he pushes the club and president to do so. I can imagine what this club would turn into without that Messi push. He is equal what Perez is for Madrid.
My point is that he is smart enough to know when to run and when to walk

Team needs Coutinho (shooting) and Dembele (speed) back. Both can attract defenders and open space for messi. Atm he is the only threat and surrounded by 5 players every time. I witnessed Messi's best performances when Neymar was a barca player. He opened ton of space for messi

Also i hate possession football. what is beautiful about it? no risk = no entertainment. for me the most entertaining matches are EPL matches. its always fun to watch. And the most entertaining match i ever seen was played by Bayern in CL few years ago. I forgot which game it was but it was just so intense that i had no time to blink my eyes

[jibers]

Jibers, because CL is the most prestigous award. Ok i agreed to disagree. One thing i want to say is that i also get angry when Messi walks, but i cant find the reason how it affect team titles. La liga is guaranteed every season, walk or run doesnt matter. and no barca fan can blame Messi for not running in important CL games. In fact he is one who cares the most about Barca's success, because he has so much competition in team and personal level. Failure hits him with double kicks. So i'm 100% sure he tries his best to make Barca win every title. And he pushes the club and president to do so. I can imagine what this club would turn into without that Messi push.  He is equal what Perez is for Madrid.
My point is that he is smart enough to know when to run and when to walk

Team needs Coutinho (shooting) and Dembele (speed) back. Both can attract defenders and open space for messi.  Atm he is the only threat and surrounded by 5 players every time. I witnessed Messi's best performances when Neymar was a barca player. He opened ton of space for messi

Also i hate possession football. what is beautiful about it? no risk = no entertainment. for me the most entertaining matches are EPL matches. its always fun to watch. And the most entertaining match i ever seen was played by Bayern in CL few years ago. I forgot which game it was but it was just so intense that i had no time to blink my eyes

So you hate possession, and you claim that City play this "possession football" and there is no risk involved, yet City have broken the PL goals scored, they have created the most clear cut goal scoring chances since Guardiola became their coach...

I think you really need to define what possession football is...

Also, since you say the styles that win the cl are the best and most up to date why do you want Simeone? Do you seriously find Atleticos style entertaining? Even with better players Simeone ha shown he can only play negatively. He lost 2 cl finals, so did Pochettino so they don't play winning football. Or is reaching the final enough. I guess if Liverpool lost the final last season you would not want Klopp as he would have lost 4 European cup finals in a row? Or it works now because of that one match he won?

Are you thinking of Bayern vs Barcelona or Bayern vs Atletico?

[Kebab]

jibers, by possession i mean Setien's football and usual Barca football. Example, messi is in free space and if someone gives the ball him quickly he can get into scoring position.but instead they deliver the ball to him after 4 short passes. opportunity is lost and he is surrounded by players by the time 2nd pass is made. What is beautiful about it? boring and predictable. 1 quick long and risky pass is way better.

No i dont want simone to turn barca into atletico. i just want him to add some physicality agressiveness into this team. I mostly refer to that Liverpool match and think how Barca would stop them from scoring. They were wild, fast and agressive. Roma same. and lately many teams try to play in the same way vs barca, looks like they found the easy way to beat them. this is why i want a coach who can make this team agressive and strong

Entertainment thing is optional. first is winning.

Most probably Bayern vs Atletico. that was most entertaining football in last decade for me.technique speed agressiveness physciality dribbling passes shots.bayern did everything in that match

[jibers]

jibers, by possession i mean Setien's football and usual Barca football. Example, messi is in free space and if someone gives the ball him quickly he can get into scoring position.but instead they deliver the ball to him after 4 short passes. opportunity is lost and he is surrounded by players by the time 2nd pass is made. What is beautiful about it? boring and predictable. 1 quick long and risky pass is way better.

No i dont want simone to turn barca into atletico. i just want him to add some physicality agressiveness into this team. I mostly refer to that Liverpool match and think how Barca would stop them from scoring. They were wild, fast and agressive. Roma same. and lately many teams try to play in the same way vs barca, looks like they found the easy way to beat them. this is why i want a coach who can make this team agressive and strong

So possession football means that you pass side ways instead of passing forward. So what exactly would you call Pep's football then when they play the most through balls and generate the most goal scoring in the supposed best league in the world? Last The season they score the most goals as well.
Did Klopp play possession football when Liverpool have more possession than City in their last game?

Again, generic terms, Ajax were aggressive in all their games. In fact the opposition said they pressed and ran like they were crazy. Ajax generated the most goal scoring chances as well.

Most probably Bayern vs Atletico. that was most entertaining football in last decade for me.technique speed agressiveness physciality dribbling passes shots.bayern did everything in that match

Interesting, and guess the coach that Bayern had...Guardiola. And what were Bayern using...Positional Play!! Based on what you said earlier that means you must think what he did there is outdated is outdated. Except you want to say Bayern didn't play "possession football" under Pep?

[BarcaLearning]

Ahh jibers is back again lol. Cbf reading all the arguments lol, but Im seeing blaming Messi again, I mean some fans still think Messi is our 'problem'. I mean really?

Sure he can be lazy and out of certain games more often than not nowadays. But I think he 'deserves' that 'freedom' or to get away with that occasionally, simply because he does so much else that elevates the team no? It sounds like some ppl dont Messi in the team anymore. Wait until he retires or leaves than u realise how much u miss him.

[Myesyats]

We will definitely miss him greatly but the "Messi era" is already finished anyway. We're not winning anything this and next season for sure and in 2021/2022 he will be a senior citizen.

Also he's a massive financial burden for the club.

[Harmonica]

Jibers you sound like a drunk again, and actually making this section even worse. Which is an achievement.

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