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Post by Jay29 Thu May 06, 2021 10:20 pm

I've given the situation enough time now.

It was chaos under Emery and for a while it seemed Arteta had restored some order and control. The team had some structure again. That was good.

But as the games have gone by it's become more apparent his ideas haven't extended to the attack. Or if they have, they're crap ideas. Watch any given Arsenal game and you see one method of attacking: spam the left flank until Tierney crosses. After that, there's nothing. The team is scared of using the middle of the pitch, the right flank if often dead and god forbid somebody ask them to play a pass into the channel or over the top.

If Arsenal are the big club they think they are (Super League lol) then they have to realise they can't sit on a coach who might have good ideas, but whose team keep losing and can't score goals. Sticking with someone who clearly just isn't it is a waste of everyone's time.

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Post by CBarca Thu May 06, 2021 11:13 pm

I feel like you knew this months ago and said it. I guess Arsenal have had a semi-purple patch in there which made Arteta easier to digest, but they've gone back to being shit.

Needs to go, although I don't see the point in not letting him see out the season. Unless they're worried about being pipped to whoever Tottenham want. Ten Hag has committed to Ajax anyway.

Maybe he has a future ahead of him, but it hasn't worked at Arsenal
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Post by The Franchise Fri May 07, 2021 12:50 pm

farfan wrote:In before @The Franchise claims Villareal had the better team player vs player. Laughing

No they do not. But Leicester still do.

Where were you earlier when I made that claim, to dispute it?


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Post by The Franchise Fri May 07, 2021 12:57 pm

As for Arteta, that performance was absolutely terrible and he has completely got it wrong in both legs.

It is unacceptable to play without a striker in the 1st leg, a mystery tactic which is rarely used by this team. Only to then compound it, by playing 4141 which isnt commonly used by Arsenal either.

Too much flank play, nothing through the middle. Where was the intensity to press? Villarreal for the majority of the game were very comfortable and had possession easily.

Even against poor sides, the team which is holding on to a single goal lead will feel alot of pressure and are susceptible to the tension of the occasion. Therefore, using high pressure is always the route to go. Instead, Villarreal had all the time in the world to pass from the back. Its not as if they have especially fast players either, there was no serious threat in behind.

With there being no chance of finishing in a respectable position in the table now, I dont see how he can continue.
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Post by Hapless_Hans Wed May 12, 2021 9:36 pm

Roberto Di Arteta
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Post by Hapless_Hans Thu May 20, 2021 10:01 am


talking about the outside chance of reaching 7th and UEFA Conference League qualification
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Post by The Franchise Fri May 21, 2021 12:18 pm

Absolutely should be looking not to qualify for Europe. They would be much better off not competition and focusing only on the league.
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Post by Hapless_Hans Fri May 21, 2021 12:52 pm

The Franchise wrote:Absolutely should be looking not to qualify for Europe. They would be much better off not competition and focusing only on the league.
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Post by Hapless_Hans Sat Aug 14, 2021 12:26 am

Jesus fucking Christ Arsenal, just be done with it :facepalm:
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Post by M99 Sat Aug 14, 2021 2:19 am

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Post by silver Sat Aug 14, 2021 5:48 am

Jay29 wrote:I've given the situation enough time now.

It was chaos under Emery and for a while it seemed Arteta had restored some order and control. The team had some structure again. That was good.

But as the games have gone by it's become more apparent his ideas haven't extended to the attack. Or if they have, they're crap ideas. Watch any given Arsenal game and you see one method of attacking: spam the left flank until Tierney crosses. After that, there's nothing. The team is scared of using the middle of the pitch, the right flank if often dead and god forbid somebody ask them to play a pass into the channel or over the top.

If Arsenal are the big club they think they are (Super League lol) then they have to realise they can't sit on a coach who might have good ideas, but whose team keep losing and can't score goals. Sticking with someone who clearly just isn't it is a waste of everyone's time.


Nothing has changed. Wasted pre-season.
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Post by Hapless_Hans Sun Aug 22, 2021 11:40 pm

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Post by CBarca Mon Aug 23, 2021 12:02 am

Will likely have 0 points after their first 3 games. Oh boy.
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Post by El Gunner Mon Aug 23, 2021 10:38 am

i have my doubts whether he can beat Norwich and the lot that follow after the City game lmao
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Post by The Franchise Mon Aug 23, 2021 3:43 pm

Very poor from a tactical standpoint. The missing players is not an excuse to get the basics wrong.

First of all, your pressing the Chelsea back 3 with 3 forwards. If that press is broken, its too far a distance for Saka or Pepe to get back goal side of Alonso/James. Automatically creating 5v4 in the backline if Chelsea are able to access the center. before using the wide areas.

Easy access to the center because Lukaku pinned Mari like a small child and played 7 or 8 layoffs. Play into him, the fullbacks narrow to help and this only increases the space for James and Alonso to play in after that.

Compare how Spurs blocked passes into the middle vs Man City last week compared to how Arsenal allowed passes into Lukaku. Alarming difference especially when you consider how short a time Nuno has been with Spurs vs Arteta with Arsenal.

Another way to go was 343/541. Perhaps seen as negative in a home game, but you have to understand Chelsea are one of the best 3 or 4 teams in Europe while Arsenal probably not in the top 50 right now. Significant gap in quality.

I dont even think the players did too much wrong in terms of effort or execution. They seemed up for the game for the most part and other than Saka, I dont think individual performances were much below the level I'd expect.
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Post by Thimmy Mon Aug 23, 2021 3:48 pm

If you guys intend to apply for his job, now would be a good time Laughing
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Post by Kaladin Mon Aug 23, 2021 3:53 pm

I am surprised seeing people mention Conte when he would demand a significant or substantial amount of investment in the squad, think 200m warchest on players. Something i'm not sure if Arsenal will provide, on top of a high salary.

Frankly, Arsenal dug themselves in this whole - Mourinho was an opportunity missed, Allegri was an opportunity missed, Tuchel was an opportunity missed. Now i'm not sure which top coach could be available.

I don't even think Rodgers would even want to budge from Leicester
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Post by BarrileteCosmico Mon Aug 23, 2021 4:27 pm

What difference would Mou have made? How do people still rate him?

The rest i agree
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Post by S Mon Aug 23, 2021 6:27 pm

Kaladin wrote:I am surprised seeing people mention Conte when he would demand a significant or substantial amount of investment in the squad, think 200m warchest on players. Something i'm not sure if Arsenal will provide, on top of a high salary.

Frankly, Arsenal dug themselves in this whole - Mourinho was an opportunity missed, Allegri was an opportunity missed, Tuchel was an opportunity missed. Now i'm not sure which top coach could be available.

I don't even think Rodgers would even want to budge from Leicester


Haven't they spent like 150M this summer?

Conte himself doesn't have many options. Serie A and La Liga have financial problems. The only legit alternative is managing a PL club.

And Arsenal despite being irrelevant for so long are still an appealing destination compared to a club like Spurs, a team which Conte rejected.

Conte to Arsenal actually makes too much sense at this point. Think of Liverpool pre-Klopp when they were making trashy decisions in the market. One move like this could change the entire future of the club.
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Post by RealGunner Mon Aug 23, 2021 6:59 pm

Unless Conte gets a job soon he probably will be our next manager by November
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Post by Kaladin Mon Aug 23, 2021 7:45 pm

S wrote:
Kaladin wrote:I am surprised seeing people mention Conte when he would demand a significant or substantial amount of investment in the squad, think 200m warchest on players. Something i'm not sure if Arsenal will provide, on top of a high salary.

Frankly, Arsenal dug themselves in this whole - Mourinho was an opportunity missed, Allegri was an opportunity missed, Tuchel was an opportunity missed. Now i'm not sure which top coach could be available.

I don't even think Rodgers would even want to budge from Leicester


Haven't they spent like 150M this summer?

Conte himself doesn't have many options. Serie A and La Liga have financial problems. The only legit alternative is managing a PL club.

And Arsenal despite being irrelevant for so long are still an appealing destination compared to a club like Spurs, a team which Conte rejected.

Conte to Arsenal actually makes too much sense at this point. Think of Liverpool pre-Klopp when they were making trashy decisions in the market. One move like this could change the entire future of the club.


My point being - will they spend like this summer for Conte after investing so much on Arteta?
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Post by El Gunner Mon Aug 23, 2021 8:50 pm

The Franchise wrote:Very poor from a tactical standpoint. The missing players is not an excuse to get the basics wrong.

First of all, your pressing the Chelsea back 3 with 3 forwards. If that press is broken, its too far a distance for Saka or Pepe to get back goal side of Alonso/James. Automatically creating 5v4 in the backline if Chelsea are able to access the center. before using the wide areas.

Easy access to the center because Lukaku pinned Mari like a small child and played 7 or 8 layoffs. Play into him, the fullbacks narrow to help and this only increases the space for James and Alonso to play in after that.

Compare how Spurs blocked passes into the middle vs Man City last week compared to how Arsenal allowed passes into Lukaku. Alarming difference especially when you consider how short a time Nuno has been with Spurs vs Arteta with Arsenal.

Another way to go was 343/541. Perhaps seen as negative in a home game, but you have to understand Chelsea are one of the best 3 or 4 teams in Europe while Arsenal probably not in the top 50 right now. Significant gap in quality.

I dont even think the players did too much wrong in terms of effort or execution. They seemed up for the game for the most part and other than Saka, I dont think individual performances were much below the level I'd expect.

Arteta should have never gone away from the 343 formation. It may not be ideal, or serve for a brand of attacking football. But let's be honest he has no brand of attacking football. We were stable defensively in that formation, and players seemed to know their role, and even if they as players are limited in certain aspects, they at least worked hard. We could have turned ourselves into a counter attacking team because players like Saka, Martinelli, ESR, Pepe, Auba (i would like to think he still has some lol) they all have pace and can outrun defenders. Even Lonkoga now seems like a good passer at the base of the midfield, he could have helped play those long balls and decisive passes in behind defenses.
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Post by El Gunner Mon Aug 23, 2021 8:53 pm

S wrote:
Kaladin wrote:I am surprised seeing people mention Conte when he would demand a significant or substantial amount of investment in the squad, think 200m warchest on players. Something i'm not sure if Arsenal will provide, on top of a high salary.

Frankly, Arsenal dug themselves in this whole - Mourinho was an opportunity missed, Allegri was an opportunity missed, Tuchel was an opportunity missed. Now i'm not sure which top coach could be available.

I don't even think Rodgers would even want to budge from Leicester


Haven't they spent like 150M this summer?

Conte himself doesn't have many options. Serie A and La Liga have financial problems. The only legit alternative is managing a PL club.

And Arsenal despite being irrelevant for so long are still an appealing destination compared to a club like Spurs, a team which Conte rejected.

Conte to Arsenal actually makes too much sense at this point. Think of Liverpool pre-Klopp when they were making trashy decisions in the market. One move like this could change the entire future of the club.

exactly... it makes too much sense! if only :facepalm:
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Post by Hapless_Hans Tue Aug 24, 2021 6:19 pm

Mikel Arteta admits turning Arsenal’s form around will ‘take some time’

Mikel Arteta has admitted turning Arsenal’s fortunes around will “take some time” and urged supporters to get behind the team when they travel to West Brom in the Carabao Cup on Wednesday night before facing champions Manchester City on Saturday.

The 2-0 home defeat against Chelsea at the weekend left Arsenal without a point or goal from their opening two Premier League matches to increase the pressure on Arteta after failing to qualify for European competition last season. That meant Arsenal must enter the League Cup at the second round stage for the first time since beating Hartlepool 8-0 over two legs in 1995 as they seek to progress in a competition they last won two years earlier.

After a disappointing performance in the opening day defeat at newly-promoted Brentford, Arteta has since added £34m signing Martin Ødegaard to his attacking options on a permanent deal but stressed the need for fans to show patience with a young squad.

“I know they are disappointed when you lose at home, there has to be some reaction, but this is a project that is going to take some time,” he told Arsenal.com.

https://www.theguardian.com/football/2021/aug/24/mikel-arteta-urges-fans-to-show-patience-and-get-behind-arsenal

Get rid of the dumb fuck NOW
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Post by Myesyats Tue Aug 24, 2021 10:24 pm

Sack this delinquent now, do it for Claude

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Post by Kaladin Sat Aug 28, 2021 1:05 pm

Just god awful, he's actually made the club worse during his tenure

The club will take years to recover from his mess
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