Re: Donald Trump Sack Watch

by RealGunner Sat Oct 19, 2019 8:42 pm

AOC endorsing Bernie...

Hope others follow too

by Hapless_Hans Sat Oct 19, 2019 9:32 pm

Wrong thread.

by Adit Sun Oct 20, 2019 1:42 am

RealGunner wrote:AOC endorsing Bernie...

Hope others follow too

Why do you need US to adopt socialism when US got rich by capitalism.?

As a person who is still suffering from the socialist economy we have created I think you are not grateful enough towards capitalism.

Name any socialist country and compare their GDP per capita, life expectancy, HDI, Unemployment to your own country or US.

Be grateful you have capitalism.

by McLewis Sun Oct 20, 2019 5:20 am

It's not just a matter of supplanting capitalism with socialism. It's much more complex than that.

The problem we have here is unfettered capitalism.....the "free market", if you will. Capitalism, when regulated, is ideal for a country like mine. The problem is that it is largely deregulated, allowing those who benefit the most to take advantage of those who don't.

by VivaStPauli Sun Oct 20, 2019 2:00 pm

The US also in many ways got rich with essentially socialist policies, they weathered the Great Depression with the New Deal, which was basically indistinguishable from European Social Democrat policies;
and when Bernie Sanders calls himself a Socialist he's not associating with Lenin, he's evoking Northern European Social Democracy, which at it's core still is a capitalist system, just with stronger social security and (very) mild wealth redistribution, which honestly something that would make all rich countries a lot more peaceful and resistant to crisis.

Trump is honestly just the ridiculous antithesis of this, Republicans have for so long framed extremely reasonable politics practiced to the benefit of hundreds of millions of Europeans with little ill effect as so pants-shittingly insane that the lunacy of Trump and Pence seems reasonable to Tea Party influenced Americans by now. Which is fucking insane.

by Hapless_Hans Sun Oct 20, 2019 2:02 pm

Again, and as Viva details, none of these policies are actually socialist.

Also, again, wrong thread.

by Unique Sun Oct 20, 2019 2:18 pm

Hapless_Hans wrote:Again, and as Viva details, none of these policies are actually socialist.

Also, again, wrong thread.

viva thinks that to be a good leader of your government you have to open your border to anyone that wants to come in and give away all your houses and jobs to them and turn a blind eye and cover up any bad stuff that makes the news. any young girls that get assulted or gropped would be told to suck it up and take one for the team so theres no point talking to him.

by VivaStPauli Sun Oct 20, 2019 2:28 pm

Unique wrote:
Hapless_Hans wrote:Again, and as Viva details, none of these policies are actually socialist.

Also, again, wrong thread.
viva thinks that to be a good leader of your government you have to open your border to anyone that wants to come in and give away all your houses and jobs to them and turn a blind eye and cover up any bad stuff that makes the news. any young girls that get assulted or gropped would be told to suck it up and take one for the team so theres no point talking to him.

You've never talked to me, you always just accuse me of random shit, and then never back it up, whenever I mistakenly spend time to refute any of your claims you ghost the thread for 1 or 2 days until my post is like 2 pages back and then pretend it never happened. You're the literal definition of a troll only posting bad-faith arguments, never once have I seen you actually engaging with another poster in a factual discussion.

by Unique Sun Oct 20, 2019 2:46 pm

VivaStPauli wrote:
Unique wrote:
Hapless_Hans wrote:Again, and as Viva details, none of these policies are actually socialist.

Also, again, wrong thread.
viva thinks that to be a good leader of your government you have to open your border to anyone that wants to come in and give away all your houses and jobs to them and turn a blind eye and cover up any bad stuff that makes the news. any young girls that get assulted or gropped would be told to suck it up and take one for the team so theres no point talking to him.

You've never talked to me, you always just accuse me of random shit, and then never back it up, whenever I mistakenly spend time to refute any of your claims you ghost the thread for 1 or 2 days until my post is like 2 pages back and then pretend it never happened. You're the literal definition of a troll only posting bad-faith arguments, never once have I seen you actually engaging with another poster in a factual discussion.

any point people make that you dont like you just call it a lie. i showed you proof that police in europe were told to lie and hide crimes that were comitted by people that flooded europe because merkels dumb open door policy and you had no argument for it so you just said its a lie and i dont beleave it.

by VivaStPauli Sun Oct 20, 2019 3:10 pm

You didn't show me proof, you said a mate of a mate heard some cop say some shit, which I of course don't believe because I have no reason to believe it. Especially because the police is only loosely controlled by the Federal government, so Merkel wouldn't really be able to control any of this, especially considering opposition parties control many of the Länder.

by Unique Sun Oct 20, 2019 3:19 pm

VivaStPauli wrote:You didn't show me proof, you said a mate of a mate heard some cop say some shit, which I of course don't believe because I have no reason to believe it. Especially because the police is only loosely controlled by the Federal government, so Merkel wouldn't really be able to control any of this, especially considering opposition parties control many of the Länder.

so if you pick and choose what you believe that makes you a smart guy but if we pick and choose what to believe and its not the same as you we are just dumb people thats being lied to. hmm

by VivaStPauli Sun Oct 20, 2019 3:22 pm

Unique wrote:so if you pick and choose what you believe that makes you a smart guy but if we pick and choose what to believe and its not the same as you we are just dumb people thats being lied to.

I don't pick and choose what I believe, I follow scientific standards of proof, or at least journalistic ones, where I require some sort of physical proof, or multiple eyewitness account.

How can you still not have gotten that what you're presenting as proof is hearsay?
You're literally saying a guy on the internet told you that a mate of his told him something. I get that you choose to believe it because it confirms what you already believed, but that shit ain't proof. Proof has to be verifiable in some way. If that cop Thimmy supposedly knows had nicked some documents from the precinct corroborating what he's saying, we wouldn't be having this discussion now, mate, because I would be right there with you believing the guy.
At the moment I just have no reason to believe any of this.

You do pick and choose, though, yes. You shouldn't, doesn't really help you learn anything.

by Unique Sun Oct 20, 2019 3:32 pm

VivaStPauli wrote:
Unique wrote:so if you pick and choose what you believe that makes you a smart guy but if we pick and choose what to believe and its not the same as you we are just dumb people thats being lied to.

I don't pick and choose what I believe, I follow scientific standards of proof, or at least journalistic ones, where I require some sort of physical proof, or multiple eyewitness account.

How can you still not have gotten that what you're presenting as proof is hearsay?
You're literally saying a guy on the internet told you that a mate of his told him something. I get that you choose to believe it because it confirms what you already believed, but that shit ain't proof. Proof has to be verifiable in some way. If that cop Thimmy supposedly knows had nicked some documents from the precinct corroborating what he's saying, we wouldn't be having this discussion now, mate, because I would be right there with you believing the guy.
At the moment I just have no reason to believe any of this.

You do pick and choose, though, yes. You shouldn't, doesn't really help you learn anything.

what i tend to do is see what people have to gain by liying to me. like who would be most likey to lie to me. a politician that wants to cover there own ass for a cluster fuck they created or a few people that have everything to lose and nothing to gain by telling me something. that would be a good place to start.

by VivaStPauli Sun Oct 20, 2019 4:17 pm

If you want to factor motivation in that, being a bit of a racist would also explain that cop lying.

by Unique Sun Oct 20, 2019 4:46 pm

VivaStPauli wrote:If you want to factor motivation in that, being a bit of a racist would also explain that cop lying.

who said the cop was racist.

by Hapless_Hans Sun Oct 20, 2019 5:00 pm

Unique wrote:
Hapless_Hans wrote:Again, and as Viva details, none of these policies are actually socialist.

Also, again, wrong thread.
viva thinks that to be a good leader of your government you have to open your border to anyone that wants to come in and give away all your houses and jobs to them and turn a blind eye and cover up any bad stuff that makes the news. any young girls that get assulted or gropped would be told to suck it up and take one for the team so theres no point talking to him.

Hope he starts a party with that platform, I will vote for him

by Unique Sun Oct 20, 2019 5:04 pm

Hapless_Hans wrote:
Unique wrote:
Hapless_Hans wrote:Again, and as Viva details, none of these policies are actually socialist.

Also, again, wrong thread.
viva thinks that to be a good leader of your government you have to open your border to anyone that wants to come in and give away all your houses and jobs to them and turn a blind eye and cover up any bad stuff that makes the news. any young girls that get assulted or gropped would be told to suck it up and take one for the team so theres no point talking to him.

Hope he starts a party with that platform, I will vote for him

just dont tell the victims of rape they have to take one for the team because it wont go down well with the people that care about womens safety

by VivaStPauli Sun Oct 20, 2019 5:17 pm

Unique wrote:
VivaStPauli wrote:If you want to factor motivation in that, being a bit of a racist would also explain that cop lying.
who said the cop was racist.

Who said the politician wants to cover their own ass?

by Hapless_Hans Sun Oct 20, 2019 5:19 pm

Stop discussing this nonsense

you won't be able to agree on the facts, as there are now alternative facts, so it doesn't even begin to make sense to argue

I would also say, wrong thread, but seeing what I just wrote, I guess not.

by Unique Sun Oct 20, 2019 5:20 pm

VivaStPauli wrote:
Unique wrote:
VivaStPauli wrote:If you want to factor motivation in that, being a bit of a racist would also explain that cop lying.
who said the cop was racist.

Who said the politician wants to cover their own ass?

all politicians lie to cover their own ass. all of them.

by VivaStPauli Sun Oct 20, 2019 5:29 pm

But then, maybe, All Cops Are Bastards?

by Unique Sun Oct 20, 2019 5:32 pm

VivaStPauli wrote:But then, maybe, All Cops Are Bastards?

prove it.

by VivaStPauli Sun Oct 20, 2019 5:49 pm

Unique wrote:
VivaStPauli wrote:But then, maybe, All Cops Are Bastards?
prove it.

Prove all politicians are covering their asses?

by Unique Sun Oct 20, 2019 5:50 pm

VivaStPauli wrote:
Unique wrote:
VivaStPauli wrote:But then, maybe, All Cops Are Bastards?
prove it.

Prove all politicians are covering their asses?

you need proof of that. are you realy gonna tell me i need to prove that. rofl

by Hapless_Hans Sun Oct 20, 2019 5:53 pm

That might have been the worst exchange of words I've ever read

by Unique Sun Oct 20, 2019 8:12 pm

Hapless_Hans wrote:That might have been the worst exchange of words I've ever read

even you have to admit it silly to say all politicians dont lie to cover their own ass. its how they make a living. they are as honest as a bag full of lawyers Very Happy

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