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Post by LeVersacci on Wed Jul 15, 2020 11:01 pm

Until a new one is put in place that goes through the city council.

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Post by Young Kaz on Thu Jul 16, 2020 3:46 am



Never would have thought Nick Cannon would say something like this......thats a bad look. No
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Post by Nishankly on Thu Jul 16, 2020 6:02 am

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Never would have thought Nick Cannon would say something like this......thats a bad look. No


Why are you even spreading this nonsense? "Melanin comes with Compassion"? Fuck that nonsense and this is basically why any racism claim ends up having retorts and a "wholistic discussion" where we sit and debate or listen after all these years, its because of these individual shits.
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Post by Myesyats on Thu Jul 16, 2020 7:17 am

I'm glad he said it "carefully". We do not have the power of the sun, indeed.

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Post by Babun on Thu Jul 16, 2020 9:15 am

An interesting read:
https://www.newgeography.com/content/006703-urban-blues

BLM has got socialist roots just as I expected from their chants. Interestingly enough, there's a mass exodus of middle class population in riot cities. They're the ones who keep the state, the shops etc. afloat (they consume the most). I don't think the development is going to help anyone in those cities long term, failed politics.
Historically, middle class erosion in a society means less consumption (the rich don't consume nearly as much as one would expect, the poor cannot afford to) which brings huge divide between rich and poor and almost no opportunities for the hard working people who want to achieve something. The infrastructure (education, roads etc.) goes down the drain due to missing taxes.

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Post by Young Kaz on Thu Jul 16, 2020 1:06 pm

@Nishankly wrote:
@Young Kaz wrote:

Never would have thought Nick Cannon would say something like this......thats a bad look. No


Why are you even spreading this nonsense? "Melanin comes with Compassion"? Fuck that nonsense and this is basically why any racism claim ends up having retorts and a "wholistic discussion" where we sit and debate or listen after all these years, its because of these individual shits.


Its one of the biggest racism stories in the country today. Not only has Nick Cannon been fired by Viacom, where he hosted the most successful MTV show of all time for the past 15 years, but has also shined a light on a lot of support he has got for his comments.
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Post by Young Kaz on Thu Jul 16, 2020 1:13 pm

@Babun wrote:An interesting read:
https://www.newgeography.com/content/006703-urban-blues

BLM has got socialist roots just as I expected from their chants. Interestingly enough, there's a mass exodus of middle class population in riot cities. They're the ones who keep the state, the shops etc. afloat (they consume the most). I don't think the development is going to help anyone in those cities long term, failed politics.
Historically, middle class erosion in a society means less consumption (the rich don't consume nearly as much as one would expect, the poor cannot afford to) which brings huge divide between rich and poor and almost no opportunities for the hard working people who want to achieve something. The infrastructure (education, roads etc.) goes down the drain due to missing taxes.


Lol middle class populations left cities when the feds told them they had to go to public school with minorities. Nobody is giving up prime real estate downtown because of BLM during the middle of an economic crisis and a pandemic.
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Post by El Gunner on Thu Jul 16, 2020 2:02 pm

and why are you surprised that BLM has socialist roots?
Who are the ones who commodified the land and own most of the rich corporate businesses - white people. So there you have it.

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Post by El Gunner on Thu Jul 16, 2020 2:09 pm

@Young Kaz wrote:

Never would have thought Nick Cannon would say something like this......thats a bad look. No


well he basically just turned around some of those labelling white people have put on people of colour for years.

it's also not a secret African traditions are more rooted to their soul ancestry and community ideals hence he says more soul.

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Post by Young Kaz on Thu Jul 16, 2020 2:15 pm

@El Gunner wrote:
@Young Kaz wrote:

Never would have thought Nick Cannon would say something like this......thats a bad look. No


well he basically just turned around some of those labelling white people have put on people of colour for years.

it's also not a secret African traditions are more rooted to their soul ancestry and community ideals hence he says more soul.


But I mean he cant say all of this comes from melanated people and espouse the virtues of such while popping out kids that look like this:
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It makes him look like a hypocrtie, and he would be if he believed what he said and I dont think he does.

I think he just got into a bad crowd at Howard and wanted to say things to impress them.
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Post by Babun on Thu Jul 16, 2020 2:22 pm

@El Gunner wrote:and why are you surprised that BLM has socialist roots?
Who are the ones who commodified the land and own most of the rich corporate businesses - white people. So there you have it.

I gave up on YoungKaz but not on you (he is openly fascist and racist lunatic, a CCP supporter on top :brickwall: ). Why do you generalize everything and everyone? You do know that you're being racist and a discriminating thug if you talk about "white people". Not all "white people" are rich, "the white people" abolished slavery (slavery exists to this day in African countries), those white people didn't go in genocide mode like everywhere else around the world when the "black people" started rioting, those white people changed the tune so "black people" could rightfully asks for their legal rights. As you see, not all "white people" are rich landowners und have got innate hate for "black people" and don't understand their problems. With ideologies like yours, you provoke social division which leads to a civil war. Let's say, the "black community" won't get on the good end of the stick if that's the case. Instead, you should try to include those "white people" who aren't f*ckers into a broader view and to convince more of them to join your cause. This way you've got a chance.
The story is as old as the bible itself. Violence only causes more violence..

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Post by El Gunner on Thu Jul 16, 2020 2:47 pm

@Babun wrote:I gave up on YoungKaz but not on you
you hold no authority, and in no way is my life tethered to please your views and ideals. Laughing

@Babun wrote:Why do you generalize everything and everyone?
where did i generalise? i only pointed out well known facts. And yes of course it's not ever all white people and all black people, but in general there has always been a "white" vs "black" fight/competition/mentality since Europeans got on their ships and set off to conquer the world, and commodified land.

@Babun wrote:You do know that you're being racist and a discriminating thug if you talk about "white people".
no i'm not. Don't be silly.

@Babun wrote:"the white people" abolished slavery
didn't we go over this in the presidential election thread Laughing i thought Me, Kaz and CB talked sense into you, Myes and Art in that thread Laughing

@Babun wrote:With ideologies like yours, you provoke social division which leads to a civil war.
and with ideologies like yours the terrible status quo remains

@Babun wrote: Let's say, the "black community" won't get on the good end of the stick if that's the case. Instead, you should try to include those "white people" who aren't f*ckers into a broader view and to convince more of them to join your cause. This way you've got a chance.
Black people don't owe White people anything. They were their slaves for centuries. Instead, respect comes about mutually. And those white folk who are smart enough and know what is the right way forward will naturally stand up against white capitalist principles and do what they have to do in their own ways for the betterment of society. They're out there, they exist. And they don't get and stay offended/sensitive about race debates.

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Post by Babun on Thu Jul 16, 2020 3:21 pm

@ElGunner, violence = progress? I see..
Let's say, we've got diverging opinions on the matters of violence. Call me regressive or whatever, I'm never going to support "the idiology". As for the rest of the discussion:
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Post by Myesyats on Thu Jul 16, 2020 4:53 pm

https://www.eastbayexpress.com/oakland/rich-black-flunking/Content?oid=1070459

To racial theorist Shelby Steele, the response to Ogbu's work was sad but predictable. Steele, a black research fellow at Stanford University's Hoover Institution and the author of The Content of Our Character: A New Vision of Race in America, has weathered similar criticism for his own provocative theories about the gap between blacks and whites. He believes continued societal deference to the victims of racial discrimination has permitted blacks "the license not to meet the same standards that others must meet," which has been detrimental to every aspect of African-American life. "To talk about black responsibility is "racist' and "blaming the victim,'" he says. "They just keep refusing to acknowledge the elephant in the living room -- black responsibility. When anybody in this culture today talks about black responsibility for their problems, they are condemned and ignored."

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Post by BarrileteCosmico on Thu Jul 16, 2020 6:50 pm

@Young Kaz wrote:

Never would have thought Nick Cannon would say something like this......thats a bad look. No


Between this, the DeSean Jackson comments, the outpour of support for both of these instances and the very tepid "outrage" by "woke" people it really shows that ignorance knows no race.

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Post by Arquitecto on Thu Jul 16, 2020 7:21 pm

And yet he was prosecuted purely for "Anti-semitism" and not the overt racism towards White people. Colour me surprised.

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Post by El Gunner on Thu Jul 16, 2020 7:33 pm

@Myesyats wrote:https://www.eastbayexpress.com/oakland/rich-black-flunking/Content?oid=1070459

To racial theorist Shelby Steele, the response to Ogbu's work was sad but predictable. Steele, a black research fellow at Stanford University's Hoover Institution and the author of The Content of Our Character: A New Vision of Race in America, has weathered similar criticism for his own provocative theories about the gap between blacks and whites. He believes continued societal deference to the victims of racial discrimination has permitted blacks "the license not to meet the same standards that others must meet," which has been detrimental to every aspect of African-American life. "To talk about black responsibility is "racist' and "blaming the victim,'" he says. "They just keep refusing to acknowledge the elephant in the living room -- black responsibility. When anybody in this culture today talks about black responsibility for their problems, they are condemned and ignored."


sure, the good old "shut up, conform and go do your work." Laughing

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Post by Babun on Thu Jul 16, 2020 7:34 pm

BLM Toronto leader believes white people are sub-human, calls them 'genetic defects'
https://thepostmillennial.com/blm-toronto-leader-believes-white-people-are-sub-human-calls-them-genetic-defects

Which excuses for this?

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Post by El Gunner on Thu Jul 16, 2020 7:46 pm

^^dramatic and unnecessary Laughing but you must admit, that when a white person and a black person procreates, 9 times out of 10 that baby comes out with colour.

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Post by McLewis on Thu Jul 16, 2020 7:53 pm

@Myesyats wrote:https://www.eastbayexpress.com/oakland/rich-black-flunking/Content?oid=1070459

To racial theorist Shelby Steele, the response to Ogbu's work was sad but predictable. Steele, a black research fellow at Stanford University's Hoover Institution and the author of The Content of Our Character: A New Vision of Race in America, has weathered similar criticism for his own provocative theories about the gap between blacks and whites. He believes continued societal deference to the victims of racial discrimination has permitted blacks "the license not to meet the same standards that others must meet," which has been detrimental to every aspect of African-American life. "To talk about black responsibility is "racist' and "blaming the victim,'" he says. "They just keep refusing to acknowledge the elephant in the living room -- black responsibility. When anybody in this culture today talks about black responsibility for their problems, they are condemned and ignored."


Why would Steele be surprised by such a response though? For every black student with a family that doesn't care about their academics, there are families that do. These families are the ones who objected to Ogbu's findings because they knew white conservatives would seize on such studies to declare ALL black families complicit in why black students struggle academically more than whites and asian students. I don't blame them reacting this way, especially when they're doing everything right by their kids and are being lumped in with the ones who are not.
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Post by Myesyats on Thu Jul 16, 2020 7:57 pm

@Arquitecto wrote:And yet he was prosecuted purely for "Anti-semitism" and not the overt racism towards White people. Colour me surprised.

I watched a news clip about this (don't remember which station) and only antisemitism was underlined and racism towards whites never mentioned once lol.

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Post by Babun on Thu Jul 16, 2020 8:08 pm

@El Gunner wrote:^^dramatic and unnecessary Laughing but you must admit, that when a white person and a black person procreates, 9 times out of 10 that baby comes out with colour.

Well, it works the other way around, too. I could give my defect genes to 10 African beauties, 9 out of 10 times, the adultury wouldn't be discovered. Rather practical, don't you think?

https://blackdemographics.com/geography/african-american-dna/amp/

It's better to discuss cultural differences rather than races. As you see, african americans aren't 100% africans..

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Post by Myesyats on Thu Jul 16, 2020 10:42 pm

@McLewis wrote:
@Myesyats wrote:https://www.eastbayexpress.com/oakland/rich-black-flunking/Content?oid=1070459

To racial theorist Shelby Steele, the response to Ogbu's work was sad but predictable. Steele, a black research fellow at Stanford University's Hoover Institution and the author of The Content of Our Character: A New Vision of Race in America, has weathered similar criticism for his own provocative theories about the gap between blacks and whites. He believes continued societal deference to the victims of racial discrimination has permitted blacks "the license not to meet the same standards that others must meet," which has been detrimental to every aspect of African-American life. "To talk about black responsibility is "racist' and "blaming the victim,'" he says. "They just keep refusing to acknowledge the elephant in the living room -- black responsibility. When anybody in this culture today talks about black responsibility for their problems, they are condemned and ignored."


Why would Steele be surprised by such a response though? For every black student with a family that doesn't care about their academics, there are families that do. These families are the ones who objected to Ogbu's findings because they knew white conservatives would seize on such studies to declare ALL black families complicit in why black students struggle academically more than whites and asian students. I don't blame them reacting this way, especially when they're doing everything right by their kids and are being lumped in with the ones who are not.

Well, the text considers RICH black kids who are as privileged as whites and yet don't perform as well. Nobody throws all Black kids into one sack.

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Post by El Gunner on Thu Jul 16, 2020 11:10 pm

^^from that perspective it should say something more intriguing about "financial wealth", do you know how many bum ass lazy rich white kids i've met in my life? Laughing works the other way too Wink

kids (and people for that matter) inherently don't care about external wealth (unless their mentality has been fully indoctrinated by capitalism) - the system is inherently fraught. What these rich young kids lack is spiritual guidance and a sense of connection/community to the rest of humanity. They have what you can call survivor's guilt/imposter's syndrome - many others of their skin colour are not in the same "socially accessible" position as them, that fraudness eats at them from within. Plus, they may be rich, but their skin colour still carries connotations.

No matter which angle you want to look at it, the problem remains the system.

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