Transfer Rumours V6

No it doesnt, but those frustrating performances are largely collective and not of his own making in my opinion.

We know exactly what Busi is like. If the spaces are large, he will suffer. He cannot defend open spaces in transition. That is today, 5 years ago or 12 years ago. If we are organized and he closes small spaces, he's defensively as good as it gets.

When we have been organized (example, the first half a dozen matches post switching to 3 defenders and wingbacks) we suffered no transitions (even against PSG) and he looked as good as he always has been and generally from then until now he has looked like his old self.

I think we need an able replacement (which Pjanic was supposed to be I presume), no doubt about that. But there is a reason he has played 15 or so games in a row without a break. We dont have anyone anywhere near his level and I dont think we can find one on the market.

Whereas players like Roberto, Lenglet, Alba and others, easily replaced by superior players who I could name without given much thought at all.

The Franchise wrote:How is Busi being mentioned before the likes of Alba and Lenglet?

The last 6-8 games alone he has been one of our 2-3 best players and generally speaking, he has done well this season individually.

Only looks good if we play with wingbacks and he has coverage/doesnt have to track back as much. Physically he is so far off what the modern game requires and in a 4-3-3 he is such a donkey.

I dont think we can spend 50m now but Camavinga is available in Busquets position. Although he is more of a CM I suppose. More athletic players are the future

Well I disagree for sure. He only looks good when the team is defensively solid, I agree, but I would say the same for 99% of pivots.

Physically? He has never been great. Do you think the game has changed this much in 5 years? Or do you think we have changed?

I can name many physically poor players who still thrive in organized teams.

Jorginho, Kroos, Moutinho, Neves, David Silva, basically every La Liga no.6 outside of Casemiro and Fernando.

Myesyats wrote:I dont think we can spend 50m now but Camavinga is available in Busquets position. Although he is more of a CM I suppose. More athletic players are the future

Not a number 6 at all.

The Franchise wrote:Well I disagree for sure. He only looks good when the team is defensively solid, I agree, but I would say the same for 99% of pivots.

Physically? He has never been great. Do you think the game has changed this much in 5 years? Or do you think we have changed?

I can name many physically poor players who still thrive in organized teams.

Jorginho, Kroos, Moutinho, Neves, David Silva, basically every La Liga no.6 outside of Casemiro and Fernando.

He has never looked WC after xavi and iniesta left. Even in our treble winning 2015 season MSN did all the work and Rakitic+Busquets was a horrible setup that Lucho mostly instructed to just cover the back and let Neymar and Messi run the show. Players just breeze past him and he could not outrun a tortoise. Kroos in comparison is Usain bolt man what a weird analogy. He is way more mobile as well as Jorginho etc.

Your point is that he's not the weakest link in this team and maybe so but I think he is on par with Lenglet. Sure Busi would look better with a more organized defence but so would the defence with a DM like Kante that doesnt leave them for dead tracking back with the speed of lightning..

And also yes, I think busquets used to be more physically able. He used to make deep runs like Frenkie now does, at least this you dont see from him now.

No, neither Kroos and especially Jorginho are notably more mobile. I dont agree. We are talking about semantics here though, none of these guys are doing anything about it if they will face transitions in open spaces.

The only difference is Chelsea and Madrid are defensively more organized and rarely are they put in the situations to face these transitions alone.

Busi is not the weakest link at all, he is better per his position than every member of the backline outside of Araujo, both starting players and reserves.

And he is far more important and convincing than the likes of Griezmann too.

I dont think there is a single player we could get who we can plug in for Busi and that change alone would make any difference whatsoever.

I would ask you to name a few, or even one, but I dont see it.

I would say the same about putting Ramos, Varane or Nacho in place of Lenglet though. Either way Busquets is not someone you want to build on because he works only in a very specific setup and has regressed anyway.

My opinion is the same of his performances with Spain NT. Possibly more organized defensively yet I don't see much difference with regards to his output. He may be individually a better DM than Lenglet is a CB if you compare 1to1 regardless of the whole team but I dont see a future for either of them here.

As to names who could replace Busquets I already mentioned Thomas Partey years ago but he slipped to Arsenal.

We can agree to disagree on that first part. I think we both would say he need another option no matter what, regardless of how poor the defenders behind him are.

Having watched Partey this season at Arsenal, aswell as with Atleti obviously, I am fine we missed out. Misplaces too many passes and takes on shots from terrible positions while almost never hitting the target. A slightly better defensively, less technical version of Alex Song.

Noone can defend open spaces in transition, really

No, I dont think so either.

I am not sure your take on Busi, but regardless I feel he gets most of his criticism for things he has no control over.

He is slow, so he can easily be dribbled in open spaces. Well outside very few players, your Kante, Casemiro, Fabinho, Ndidi, Gueye type of players, you are going to struggle to stop top players in open space who are already facing the direction they intend to go.

Perhaps if De Jong wasnt 20-30m ahead of him, the space would be smaller and we could defend better.

But De Jong has to be that much ahead of him because Messi leaves his space vacated and De Jong is the only player who can actually fill it.

So the cycle will continue until a solution for this is found. As I said, I dont think there is a single player we can sign who can come and fix this problem.

"LAPORTA le ha prometido a MESSI un CONTRATO de 10 AÑOS"

"LEO se QUIERE QUEDAR en el Barça"

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10 year contract for Messi.: lol:

Alex on suicide watch

The Franchise wrote:No, I dont think so either.

I am not sure your take on Busi, but regardless I feel he gets most of his criticism for things he has no control over.

He is slow, so he can easily be dribbled in open spaces. Well outside very few players, your Kante, Casemiro, Fabinho, Ndidi, Gueye type of players, you are going to struggle to stop top players in open space who are already facing the direction they intend to go.

Perhaps if De Jong wasnt 20-30m ahead of him, the space would be smaller and we could defend better.

But De Jong has to be that much ahead of him because Messi leaves his space vacated and De Jong is the only player who can actually fill it.

So the cycle will continue until a solution for this is found. As I said, I dont think there is a single player we can sign who can come and fix this problem.

The solution is fairly simple. Get rid of Messi and the issues magically disappear. All of the ones most sensible Barca fans (not Messi fans) have known for years. Until then, no coach on the planet can resolve the issues. We will continue to be humiliated time and time again.

On Busquets, yes he has been good this season. His passing seems to have gone up another level. But, you cant play a spine of Messi, Busquets and Pique in modern football. Just asking for trouble.
Also, Busquets is tainted by all of our humiliations from the past. Any pro around Europe knows we are there for the taking come crunch time. None of the seniors are mentally tough and for that reason alone, they need to go. Even if Busquets still has game in him.

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10 year contract for Messi.: lol:

Alex on suicide watch

I have sort of given up hope of Messi leaving. He is going to continue to leech us and the club will think he is doing us a favor.
I am probably going to support and watch the women's team. Atleast they are a bunch of winners unlike the losers on the men's side.

The Franchise wrote:No, neither Kroos and especially Jorginho are notably more mobile. I dont agree. We are talking about semantics here though, none of these guys are doing anything about it if they will face transitions in open spaces.

The only difference is Chelsea and Madrid are defensively more organized and rarely are they put in the situations to face these transitions alone.

Busi is not the weakest link at all, he is better per his position than every member of the backline outside of Araujo, both starting players and reserves.

And he is far more important and convincing than the likes of Griezmann too.

I dont think there is a single player we could get who we can plug in for Busi and that change alone would make any difference whatsoever.

I would ask you to name a few, or even one, but I dont see it.

We could try a couple of things. Maybe try FDJ at pivot. Probably not his best position. He has really thrived in a B2B sort of roles this season. However, he has played pivot in the past. Lot more mobile than Busquets. Significantly worse as a passer. Could pair Pedri and Illaix with him. Lot more mobile midfield compared to Busquets at pivot.
Alternatively, throw Nico from the B in at the deep end. Keep FDJ in his current role. I like Nico. Technically good, tall, strong, more mobile than Busquets and he has done well at pivot for the B.
Obviously, not mentioning players like Kante or Fabinho who we have no hope of getting.

Respectfully just gotta disagree on Alba Dani I mean why the hate? Who else have we got thats close to his level at LB? Im guessing u dont like him defensively or positioning etc? About thats a given for most attacking LBs that offers so much in attack, and worthwhile. Its not perfect, and I dont think there are many out there who can offer better overall result, not unless we can come up with a lot of money.

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— Alfredo Martínez (@Alfremartinezz) May 19, 2021

Aguero to be presented in June, 5m a year.

Plan to get Messi to stay is in motion

BarcaLearning wrote:Respectfully just gotta disagree on Alba Dani I mean why the hate? Who else have we got thats close to his level at LB? Im guessing u dont like him defensively or positioning etc? About thats a given for most attacking LBs that offers so much in attack, and worthwhile. Its not perfect, and I dont think there are many out there who can offer better overall result, not unless we can come up with a lot of money.

I disagree completely too. Alba has been our standout performer this season lol. Weird to throw him under the bus and for some reason keep defending Busi.

5m a year, yeah right

and another 10m paid in Andorra, isn't it

bare faced liars

Everyone's salary is being lowered so I'm not sure if we can afford more tbh

One of the more interesting rumors is a swap of Joao Felix for Griezmann. Yes please.

Felix, I dont know, wouldnt he be just another player unsuitable position wise and overlaps with Mess's position? Dont forget hes often been just a sub at Atletico this season too, Carrasso in front of him in the team ffs lool....

alexjanosik wrote:

The Franchise wrote:No, I dont think so either.

I am not sure your take on Busi, but regardless I feel he gets most of his criticism for things he has no control over.

He is slow, so he can easily be dribbled in open spaces. Well outside very few players, your Kante, Casemiro, Fabinho, Ndidi, Gueye type of players, you are going to struggle to stop top players in open space who are already facing the direction they intend to go.

Perhaps if De Jong wasnt 20-30m ahead of him, the space would be smaller and we could defend better.

But De Jong has to be that much ahead of him because Messi leaves his space vacated and De Jong is the only player who can actually fill it.

So the cycle will continue until a solution for this is found. As I said, I dont think there is a single player we can sign who can come and fix this problem.

The solution is fairly simple. Get rid of Messi and the issues magically disappear. All of the ones most sensible Barca fans (not Messi fans) have known for years. Until then, no coach on the planet can resolve the issues. We will continue to be humiliated time and time again.

On Busquets, yes he has been good this season. His passing seems to have gone up another level. But, you cant play a spine of Messi, Busquets and Pique in modern football. Just asking for trouble.
Also, Busquets is tainted by all of our humiliations from the past. Any pro around Europe knows we are there for the taking come crunch time. None of the seniors are mentally tough and for that reason alone, they need to go. Even if Busquets still has game in him.

I agree, this is the solution.

I also agree that spine cannot continue, but of those 3, Busi is the only one I would keep because I think he could still be part of a winning effort.

alexjanosik wrote:

The Franchise wrote:No, neither Kroos and especially Jorginho are notably more mobile. I dont agree. We are talking about semantics here though, none of these guys are doing anything about it if they will face transitions in open spaces.

The only difference is Chelsea and Madrid are defensively more organized and rarely are they put in the situations to face these transitions alone.

Busi is not the weakest link at all, he is better per his position than every member of the backline outside of Araujo, both starting players and reserves.

And he is far more important and convincing than the likes of Griezmann too.

I dont think there is a single player we could get who we can plug in for Busi and that change alone would make any difference whatsoever.

I would ask you to name a few, or even one, but I dont see it.

We could try a couple of things. Maybe try FDJ at pivot. Probably not his best position. He has really thrived in a B2B sort of roles this season. However, he has played pivot in the past. Lot more mobile than Busquets. Significantly worse as a passer. Could pair Pedri and Illaix with him. Lot more mobile midfield compared to Busquets at pivot.
Alternatively, throw Nico from the B in at the deep end. Keep FDJ in his current role. I like Nico. Technically good, tall, strong, more mobile than Busquets and he has done well at pivot for the B.
Obviously, not mentioning players like Kante or Fabinho who we have no hope of getting.

I cant comment on Nico because I have not seen him play. I am hopeful he is as good as the recent players who have come from the youth ranks.

Wouldnt like to see De Jong as a single pivot, I think it puts shackles on his game.

BarcaLearning wrote:Respectfully just gotta disagree on Alba Dani I mean why the hate? Who else have we got thats close to his level at LB? Im guessing u dont like him defensively or positioning etc? About thats a given for most attacking LBs that offers so much in attack, and worthwhile. Its not perfect, and I dont think there are many out there who can offer better overall result, not unless we can come up with a lot of money.

No, its everything. Offensive, defensive and his pathetic coward mentality.

His defending doesnt need explaining. But what is so good about him in posession? He gives away so many balls with his poor decision making and sloppy pass selection. His crosses are predictable and ignores easy options to force feed passes to Messi which arent even on.

His mentality is the absolute worst. As soon as things get difficult, he is the first to fold. Pretending he has been fouled/injured, dive instead of getting into tough challenges and pick up yellow cards for arguing with refs who have not given him the call.

I can name many leftbacks I would rather have. Do we have any of them now? No. But this is why it should have been resolved years ago.

Madrid had the superior fullback in Marcelo and even they have come to realise he cannot do what he once did and have looked to phase him out. Meanwhile, Alba still plays 90 minutes 3 games a week.

Myesyats wrote:

BarcaLearning wrote:Respectfully just gotta disagree on Alba Dani I mean why the hate? Who else have we got thats close to his level at LB? Im guessing u dont like him defensively or positioning etc? About thats a given for most attacking LBs that offers so much in attack, and worthwhile. Its not perfect, and I dont think there are many out there who can offer better overall result, not unless we can come up with a lot of money.

I disagree completely too. Alba has been our standout performer this season lol. Weird to throw him under the bus and for some reason keep defending Busi.

Nonsense. Standout performer

De Jong, MATS, Araujo, Pedri have all been on a completely different league than this fraud. Let alone the obviously more talented forward players.

I have no idea why you were fooled by 6 good games against mediocre teams but before and after it, we have seen the same Alba as before.