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Post by futbol Sun May 26, 2019 11:52 am

I was at a birthday party, did not even realize the Copa Final was yesterday. We lost? lol

If I was Valverde I would resign on my own, it's clearly not his fault but he'll get the hate of his life next season if he stays on. Resign, lean back and watch Setién play fantasy football with Pique, Lenglet, Busquets, Roberto, Coutinho, Dembélé. Laughing

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Post by danyjr Sun May 26, 2019 3:08 pm

@halamadrid2 wrote:I think Barca are in the same position as us right now. It doesnt matter how many coaches you fire you'll still be bad. It's the squad that needs binning. All the old guards need to go, these poverty kids  need to stay on the bench. You need fresh blood in key positions or whoever you have will keep failing
Beta coaches like Valverde, Setién et al don't have the balls to touch this squad. There are too many big names in the squad for cucks like these to handle. Same with the top tier management. Fartomeu is a zeta himself.

Remember Guardiola? He came in and instantly booted two big names and fan favourites, Ronaldinho and Deco. Some people must have thought "this guy is crazy" but this is what you get from a coach with personality and the cojones to back it up.

What Barcelona need is a top tier experienced coach who knows how to handle, rejuvenate and rebuild a team. A world class team needs a world class coach, not small team coaches like Vilanova, Martino and Valverde.

At this point in time I think even Mourinho would be a better suitor for Barça than the likes of Valverde and Setién. And that is telling, considering Mourinho and Barça are like chalk and cheese.
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Post by windkick Sun May 26, 2019 3:45 pm

The board is having an emergency meeting Tuesday to discuss various topics. They will discuss the futures of Pep Segura and Valverde amongst other things

Barca now shooting down that rumor

Things are a mess
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Post by Cruijf Sun May 26, 2019 5:47 pm

@halamadrid2 wrote:I think Barca are in the same position as us right now. It doesnt matter how many coaches you fire you'll still be bad. It's the squad that needs binning. All the old guards need to go, these poverty kids  need to stay on the bench. You need fresh blood in key positions or whoever you have will keep failing


I do think Valverde has to take some blame despite the state of the squad. What we saw against Liverpool and Valencia were psychological deficiencies much more than footballing deficiencies. The team is clearly mentally weak, and collapses at the first sight of adversity (Roma away, Liverpool away, Copa final after being humiliated in cL). Other than that they’re actually a good team despite their many flaws. There’s a reason their home performances are so much better than their away performances.

Lyon: away 0-0, home 5-1
Man U: away 0-1, home 3-0
Liverpool: away 0-4, home 3-0

You don’t see such a large disparity unless a team is extremely mentally weak. And the coach must take a lot of blame for that, he’s responsible for preparing them mentally and motivating them.
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Post by futbol Mon May 27, 2019 4:33 pm

@Cruijf wrote:
@halamadrid2 wrote:I think Barca are in the same position as us right now. It doesnt matter how many coaches you fire you'll still be bad. It's the squad that needs binning. All the old guards need to go, these poverty kids  need to stay on the bench. You need fresh blood in key positions or whoever you have will keep failing


I do think Valverde has to take some blame despite the state of the squad. What we saw against Liverpool and Valencia were psychological deficiencies much more than footballing deficiencies. The team is clearly mentally weak, and collapses at the first sight of adversity (Roma away, Liverpool away, Copa final after being humiliated in cL). Other than that they’re actually a good team despite their many flaws. There’s a reason their home performances are so much better than their away performances.

Lyon: away 0-0, home 5-1
Man U: away 0-1, home 3-0
Liverpool: away 0-4, home 3-0

You don’t see such a large disparity unless a team is extremely mentally weak. And the coach must take a lot of blame for that, he’s responsible for preparing them mentally and motivating them.


Barca away results were always shit. We lost to banter era Arsenal in peak 10/11 season, it didn't start now. Laughing

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Post by windkick Mon May 27, 2019 8:26 pm

Oh god

IF, and that’s a big IF, the club is thinking of Koeman or Roberto Martinez to replace EV


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Post by windkick Mon May 27, 2019 8:30 pm

@halamadrid2 wrote:I think Barca are in the same position as us right now. It doesnt matter how many coaches you fire you'll still be bad. It's the squad that needs binning. All the old guards need to go, these poverty kids need to stay on the bench. You need fresh blood in key positions or whoever you have will keep failing


I agree with this, but for the mentality to change everything needs to be refreshed from the top to bottom and that definitely means EV also has to go. He got out coached and couldn’t fire the team up 2 times in crucial games, so no way the team will look at him when we need him again next season and think he has the answers. I know everyone is giving Coutinho and Rakatic crap and want them out, but lets not forget Suarez only has 2 goals in the last 2 seasons in the UCL. Like you said, our squads old blood needs to be over hauled
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Post by The Demon of Carthage Mon May 27, 2019 10:09 pm

EV is supported by the board so I don't expect him to be sacked this summer. However, in the unlikely event that you guys part ways, I think you should seriously think about hiring Max.

No idea why Juventus are getting rid of him (or maybe he's the one who's looking for a new adventure), but either way, he's definitely one of the best candidates available.
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Post by windkick Tue May 28, 2019 10:21 pm

Bartomeu has made the decision. Valverde will be the coach of Barça next season. [cat radio]
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Post by danyjr Tue May 28, 2019 10:58 pm

It seems like socis are happy to have Bartomeu at the helm as long as they win La Liga every year.
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Post by futbol Wed May 29, 2019 11:50 am

And why would we not? 10 years ago we had 2 CL trophies in 50+ years. Suddenly we are obsessed like Madrid with their Decima and must fire consecutive league title winning managers. lol

This club needs to be brought back down to earth and have some barren years, like 3 years in a row with 0 titles, so people can get back to normal and stop acting like we still have prime Alves, Xavi, Iniesta, Neymar, Suarez in the team to make fantasy demands about style and CL.

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Post by danyjr Wed May 29, 2019 12:00 pm

lol

You're spending like mad and have nothing to show for it. That's why.

And having the best player in the world might also have something to do with it. Just a thought.
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Post by futbol_bill Wed May 29, 2019 12:19 pm

That spending like mad and nothing to show for it (as if repeated ligas is nothing lol) has more to do with board than it does to coach!
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Post by futbol Wed May 29, 2019 12:36 pm

Nothing to show for it except winning the league every season by Christmas. Clown.

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Post by danyjr Wed May 29, 2019 12:36 pm

It has with both. I've criticised the board enough, the fact that they keep a chain choker at the helm of the team is their fault indeed.

La Liga against Numtpegui and a old Atlético team is not a feat, with all due respect to both Madrid teams. You've both been shit this season.
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Post by eelir Wed May 29, 2019 1:36 pm

I'd be happier to remove Barto and stick with VV than the other way around. But, VV is cancer for the future of this team if he does not change his attitude towards signing old players. The news is we are aiming for Stuani. I like him but he is as old as Suarez. What happened to giving more first team play time to someone like Abel Ruiz when Suarez needs to rest?
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Post by Myesyats Wed May 29, 2019 5:20 pm

@windkick wrote:Bartomeu has made the decision. Valverde will be the coach of Barça next season. [cat radio]

Allegri is available and we're sticking with Valverde hahahahah

Not surprised though since Bartomeu cares only about securing his position rather than good football.
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Post by Doc Wed May 29, 2019 5:37 pm

"Nothing to show for it" is a phrase when you did something and literally get nothing for it. Barcelona has been winning La Liga consistently inclusive of this season. Even if you wanna disregard it on your own personal reasons, La Liga is still a top and usually difficult competition to win. Not Barcelona's fault their closest rivals shit the bed.

I really wish you guys fired EV and hired guys approved by the likes of dany and Barca forum. That would have been absolutely lovely.

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Post by danyjr Wed May 29, 2019 7:32 pm

@Doc wrote:I really wish you guys fired EV and hired guys approved by the likes of dany and Barca forum. That would have been absolutely lovely.
You're right, signing Pochettino would be absolutely lovely for Madrid fans...
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Post by Myesyats Thu May 30, 2019 9:52 pm

Ernesto Valverde's thread on barcaforum is called Retardo (Valverde) lmaooo

There are directors within the board who are in favor of EV resigning. Unless some extraordinary transfers are about to happen IDK why he feels he is able to continue without support of the fans & the board.
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