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Post by Kick May 20th 2019, 23:33

@RealGunner wrote:I kinda settled in the end with whatever was coming. It was terrible writing but I tried to not let it affect me much.

It was emotional in the end. Specially the stark montage. I absolutely loved the Sansa scene and she was my favourite character over the years so it was really good to see her get what she deserved.

Jon had a bittersweet ending. I mean eventhough the show didn't really make a big deal out of Daenerys dying (everyone kinda forgot) but in the end Jon killed someone he loved and saw his 2nd love die in his arms.

But i think the writing was already there. His relationship with Mance was special (both books and TV show). Everyone just assumed Jon is the heir to the iron throne but i think GRRM always wanted him to be the heir to Mance Ryder. The king beyond the wall. That suits Jon a lot more than King of 7 kingdoms.

Going to miss this show. Not really keen on the spin offs.


Only spin if I'd be for is an Arya west of Westeros adventures one.

As long as they don't go plot heavy and make it more about the characters discovering and adventuring in a new land. I'd be down for that Smile

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Post by RealGunner May 20th 2019, 23:37



Sums it up.

After Daenerys died....the episode became a sitcom

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Post by Kick May 21st 2019, 00:35

@M99 wrote:




Better than all the episodes of S8 Laughing
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Post by BarrileteCosmico May 21st 2019, 02:07

@Freeza wrote:My tier 1 shows of the last 20 years are

The Wire
Fleabag
The Sopranos
The Leftovers
30 Rock

So hard for even the truly great shows to stick a landing, which is why I appreciate all the listed shows. Dexter would've been there if not for the worst ending of any series ever.


You finished watching Fleabag like 4 days ago and already consider it better than GOT? hmm
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Post by McAgger May 21st 2019, 04:07

Tbh it's no surprise Freeza has awful taste. He ranked Fallout as the best movie of 2018.

30 Rock and Fleabag in his top 5 all time Laughing

I can't take seriously any list without Breaking Bad.
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Post by Kaladin May 21st 2019, 04:20

Don't call me James wrote:Tbh it's no surprise Freeza has awful taste. He ranked Fallout as the best movie of 2018.

30 Rock and Fleabag in his top 5 all time Laughing

I can't take seriously any list without Breaking Bad.


Don't worry, you don't have to, he's been the local jest for a while.
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Post by Doc May 21st 2019, 05:49

I think I may have been too non-American to truly appreciate 30 Rock but it had clever moments. No idea a series called Fleabag was in existence but it looks good.

All in all, GoT is still being missed.
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Post by urbaNRoots May 21st 2019, 08:25

@M99 wrote:
@BarrileteCosmico wrote:
@M99 wrote:Oberyn's death was not just for shock value. It had a purpose in the story. The Dorne storyline starts because of it. But D&D decided to change Doran into a weakling who wants no war or vengeance and scrapped his daughter because they liked Indira Varma and wanted her to take a bigger role. And then after the backlash they quickly killed off the storyline in one episode and focused on the Ironborn (Doran's actor said he was originally supposed to be in six episodes in season 6 and writers said they had to choose between Ironborn and Done in season 5). GRRM does not go for shock value for nothing. It was up to the writers to replace the characters killed with interesting characters but Elia, Sand Snakes, Euron were just horribly written.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VyanTVqlJ2o

They literally said they chose Arya instead of Jon because it would be more of a surprise, and in season 5 they said they had Sansa get raped because it would be more "shocking"

Its not just new characters that were bad. Existing characters went to shit too. Jaime was Cersei's lapdog, Littlefinger stopped being smart, Varys became boring, and Tyrion went to "I drink and I know things"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2segM3PA6AI

Sand snakes and euron suck in the books too, just point out. They might turn good or might not, but they're pretty cartoony there too


Disagree on Euron. And I'm not in the minority either, he's a fan favorite. Even the actor came out and said he wished he was like the book Euron.

Sand Snakes, yes they totally come off as anime characters but the little we saw of them they are much better than their show counterparts. At least their dialogue was not shitty. Besides they were really not main chars, it was Arianne and Doran. Writers decided to scrap one character and totally change the other.


Euron in the books is basically a comic book villain, evil magical pirate guy with an eye patch lol. Sure that‘s still better than what we got in the show but not much better.

The reason why the last two books suck is because GRRM introduced these characters and wanted to expand the world instead of trying to come to a conclusion. Not sure how GRRM thought it would be great writing to kill Tywin, Catelyn, Robb, Joffrey, The Hound etc in ASOS, only to replace them with these over the top characters who don‘t fit this story.
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Post by Freeza May 21st 2019, 09:57

Don't call me James wrote:Tbh it's no surprise Freeza has awful taste. He ranked Fallout as the best movie of 2018.

30 Rock and Fleabag in his top 5 all time Laughing

I can't take seriously any list without Breaking Bad.


I don't see how that's a worse opinion than calling The Wire shit without watching it.

Saying Rick and Morty was shit because "Cartoons rofl "

You have Dragged Across concrete as your top film and you want to hate on MI: Fallout?

What about my taste is terrible for liking the most popular action film since Fury Road?


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Post by Freeza May 21st 2019, 10:04

@BarrileteCosmico wrote:
@Freeza wrote:My tier 1 shows of the last 20 years are

The Wire
Fleabag
The Sopranos
The Leftovers
30 Rock

So hard for even the truly great shows to stick a landing, which is why I appreciate all the listed shows. Dexter would've been there if not for the worst ending of any series ever.


You finished watching Fleabag like 4 days ago and already consider it better than GOT? hmm


Watched it twice now. Pretty small show so it's hard to compare really. But for my personally it's right up there. The way season 1 deals with guilt and depression and handles it with humour is very personal to me, and I think she wrote it perfectly.

That it finished on top without dragging on too long is also a major plus for me.

@Kaladin
Great way to act. Never once said a negative thing about you, so I'd appreciate if you actually addressed whichever problem you've got with me.

In regards to Breaking Bad, I've addressed close to a 100 times that it was incredibly written, well made etc. I just didn't like the characters, felt idolisation of Walter White was weird as fuck and often misguided.
I think it's a great show, but it wasn't for me, and I've recognised multiple times I'm the odd man out here.
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Post by The Demon of Carthage May 21st 2019, 12:08

Watched the finale today. Just another nail in the coffin of a once tremendous show turned mediocre by a couple of uninspired writers.

It's really a shame because if they had done this season justice, the show could've sealed its place as the greatest show of all-time. But now, it certainly has lost that claim with such a mediocre season.

I can't help but think how season 8 would have been if the writing was as good as the earlier seasons.

What a disappointing end!
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Post by Freeza May 21st 2019, 12:34

It's hard to keep to the same job for 9 years and deliver on the same level. I think Benioff is an incredible writer, but I can see why they'd be burned out after 9 years of doing nothing else besides this show, which is why a change is often good.

I think Cogman should've probably taken over at some point. Episode 2 of this season was one of my five favourites of the entire season. Seems like he was much more passionate at the end.
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Post by M99 May 21st 2019, 14:17

Episode 2 is one of fav eps of all time. Thats what I felt when I watched it at least, after ep 3 it hindsight it went down a bit.

HBO was ready to offer them 10 seasons but D&D refused. It really feels like they wanted to end it so they could work on Star Wars. It would have been much better if they gave the series to Cogman and left after season 6.

@Freeza don't take ES so seriously lol. This is the same guy that said "no wonder Tito got cancer" and calls Firenze a jester every half an hour. Its just banter.
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Post by Myesyats May 21st 2019, 16:30

Don't call me James wrote:Tbh it's no surprise Freeza has awful taste. He ranked Fallout as the best movie of 2018.

30 Rock and Fleabag in his top 5 all time Laughing

I can't take seriously any list without Breaking Bad.

None of these would make it into my top 5 lol
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Post by Kaladin May 21st 2019, 16:41

@Freeza wrote:
@Kaladin
Great way to act. Never once said a negative thing about you, so I'd appreciate if you actually addressed whichever problem you've got with me.



Its banter
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Post by Freeza May 21st 2019, 16:46

@Kaladin wrote:
@Freeza wrote:
@Kaladin
Great way to act. Never once said a negative thing about you, so I'd appreciate if you actually addressed whichever problem you've got with me.



Its banter


Sad

I need a job. Too hurt by the banter
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Post by Kaladin May 21st 2019, 21:04

Nah i'm just messing with you <3
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Post by McLewis May 21st 2019, 21:27

I'm glad this show has ended. I personally don't think D&D taking HBO's offer of 2 extra episodes would've made a difference given that the show has been declining for 4 whole seasons now. 2 episodes wouldn't have changed that.

Now GRRM can finally finish Winds of Winter in relative peace. It's not even in development yet and already a lot hinges on the Naomi Watts-led prequel that he'll be creating with Jane Goldman. That show will set the tone for a post-GOT world we're living in when it premieres along with the other spin-off that may (or may not) happen.

If anything, I am now very worried for the Star Wars universe given that's where D&D are heading next.
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Post by Hapless_Hans May 21st 2019, 22:06

So

unsure whether I should actually watch this last season

should I?
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Post by Doc May 21st 2019, 22:21

Why are you always late to a GoT season? Also, yes, finish it.
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Post by Hapless_Hans May 21st 2019, 23:24

@Doc wrote:Why are you always late to a GoT season? Also, yes, finish it.


I'm always slightly late, yeah, because I like to watch it quickly an not wait a week for an episode, but I'm actually surprised this is over already. How many episodes has it been, 6? 8? Certainly not ten.

Anyway, I'll watch it.

I already know how it ends anyway, with the white walkers marching menacingly, and then we see a closeup of the the White Walker chieftain looking on, and we're supposed to be scared even though every single of the last 6 seasons ended the exact same way, with the white walkers marching menacingly and their King looking on, and so quite obviously the white walkers seem to be marching really, really, really slowly, far too slowly to be getting anywhere tbh.
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Post by RealGunner May 21st 2019, 23:29

It's quite hard to rate top 5 shows when you have seen so many tbh

Nothing wrong with Freeza's list. It's his list.


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Post by BarrileteCosmico May 22nd 2019, 00:09

@urbaNRoots wrote:
@M99 wrote:Disagree on Euron. And I'm not in the minority either, he's a fan favorite. Even the actor came out and said he wished he was like the book Euron.

Sand Snakes, yes they totally come off as anime characters but the little we saw of them they are much better than their show counterparts. At least their dialogue was not shitty. Besides they were really not main chars, it was Arianne and Doran. Writers decided to scrap one character and totally change the other.


Euron in the books is basically a comic book villain, evil magical pirate guy with an eye patch lol. Sure that‘s still better than what we got in the show but not much better.

The reason why the last two books suck is because GRRM introduced these characters and wanted to expand the world instead of trying to come to a conclusion. Not sure how GRRM thought it would be great writing to kill Tywin, Catelyn, Robb, Joffrey, The Hound etc in ASOS, only to replace them with these over the top characters who don‘t fit this story.


Yeah exactly. There was anything deep about him, there were certainly mysterious things about him but nothing to suggest that he will turn into a GOAT character like some people here act. Might be biased as I hated the Iron Islands subplot (THREE new POVS George! Come one, show some discipline!), which people either generally hated or found good for comic relief, but no one really liked.

The actor wishing we got Book Euron doesn't make Book Euron good, just better than the show, which ain't much.
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Post by BarrileteCosmico May 22nd 2019, 00:13

@McLewis wrote:I'm glad this show has ended. I personally don't think D&D taking HBO's offer of 2 extra episodes would've made a difference given that the show has been declining for 4 whole seasons now. 2 episodes wouldn't have changed that.


Agreed that 2 episodes wouldn't have made a difference, but they got offered 2 full 10 episode seasons, bringing the last 13 episodes to 20. I think 7 episodes could've made a difference. If they wanted to move on to other projects they should've just passed the baton to Brian Cogman who could've done it right.
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Post by M99 May 22nd 2019, 01:02

@BarrileteCosmico wrote:
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@M99 wrote:Disagree on Euron. And I'm not in the minority either, he's a fan favorite. Even the actor came out and said he wished he was like the book Euron.

Sand Snakes, yes they totally come off as anime characters but the little we saw of them they are much better than their show counterparts. At least their dialogue was not shitty. Besides they were really not main chars, it was Arianne and Doran. Writers decided to scrap one character and totally change the other.


Euron in the books is basically a comic book villain, evil magical pirate guy with an eye patch lol. Sure that‘s still better than what we got in the show but not much better.

The reason why the last two books suck is because GRRM introduced these characters and wanted to expand the world instead of trying to come to a conclusion. Not sure how GRRM thought it would be great writing to kill Tywin, Catelyn, Robb, Joffrey, The Hound etc in ASOS, only to replace them with these over the top characters who don‘t fit this story.


Yeah exactly. There was anything deep about him, there were certainly mysterious things about him but nothing to suggest that he will turn into a GOAT character like some people here act. Might be biased as I hated the Iron Islands subplot (THREE new POVS George! Come one, show some discipline!), which people either generally hated or found good for comic relief, but no one really liked.

The actor wishing we got Book Euron doesn't make Book Euron good, just better than the show, which ain't much.


https://thehawke.github.io/twow-excerpts/chapters/forsaken.html

This chapter sold me on Euron. He is terrifying. Far more than Ramsay even.

Fascinating, intelligent and absolutely unhinged. I can't wait to see more of him.
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