Mbappe is the biggest fraud in football today.

jibers wrote:

Valkyrja wrote:except he is not half the player CR is and will never be

a decent finisher with insane pace doesn’t make for a CR level player, he’s much more than that

have you guys seen Mbappe shoot with his left ? so cringe ‍�

Errr Mbappe is 20. Ronaldo was mainly seen as a show pony, a diver without end product and a player that would not reach his full potential. This was till he was like 21/22ish. Basically after the World Cup in 2006.


He has played well in the CL against top opposition since he was 18. Mbappe completely smokes Ronaldo at the same age and there is no comparison tbh. He was already 4th in the ballon Dor last year and 6th this year. BEst young player at the WC etc

What exactly is a CR level player? IS CR himself a 'CR Level player' atm?

Well CR atm isn't a CR level player but Mbappe plays like a faster version of the current CR minus the ability to play with both feet and head the ball like nobody else.

As for the comparison between 20 yo CR and Mbappe, it's not fair because they've had different projections and CR hasn't benefited as a 20yo of the tactical schemes he and Messi installed over the last 15 years. He started as a winger in a 442 and he was more raw as a youngster but had a base of technical qualities to build on that Mbappe doesn't benefit from. In that regard Mbappe is more similar to Rooney or Owen than to CR who needed a few years to learn how to use his skills. Mbappe simply does not have the technical qualities that CR had as a youngster and has much less room to improve.

CR had much more talent as a but needed time to polish his skills and decision making, Mbappe is very mature and very close to being a finished product.

Myesyats wrote:

jibers wrote:

Valkyrja wrote:except he is not half the player CR is and will never be

a decent finisher with insane pace doesn’t make for a CR level player, he’s much more than that

have you guys seen Mbappe shoot with his left ? so cringe ‍�

Errr Mbappe is 20. Ronaldo was mainly seen as a show pony, a diver without end product and a player that would not reach his full potential. This was till he was like 21/22ish. Basically after the World Cup in 2006.


He has played well in the CL against top opposition since he was 18. Mbappe completely smokes Ronaldo at the same age and there is no comparison tbh. He was already 4th in the ballon Dor last year and 6th this year. BEst young player at the WC etc

What exactly is a CR level player? IS CR himself a 'CR Level player' atm?

Using balon dor as means to judge players hahahahah man gtfo

Mbappe didnt deserve to be in top 10 of balon dor but hes the best young player so they put him there because he's popular.

He is far from Neymar level let alone legendary CR status. ffs

He definitely deserved to be included in 2018. Unless you believe that being an integral part of a world cup winning team doesn't matter.

Mr Nick09 wrote:

Valkyrja wrote:Not the French Walcott but I’d much rather have someone like Sadio Mane. Better ball player in small spaces and none of that superstar attitude.

is this a real take? lol

I really struggle to see how Mbappe is better than Sadio Mane

Valkyrja wrote:

Mr Nick09 wrote:

Valkyrja wrote:Not the French Walcott but I’d much rather have someone like Sadio Mane. Better ball player in small spaces and none of that superstar attitude.

is this a real take? lol

I really struggle to see how Mbappe is better than Sadio Mane

You didn't even know who Sadio Mane was when he was Mbappé's age...since he was playing in Ligue 2.

It's really weird, it's like the people who are most skeptical about Mbappé are also the ones who place herculean expectations on him ( failing to destroy Real Madrid by himself, not being as complete as world-class finished products like Mané, CR7 etc..)

farfan wrote:

Valkyrja wrote:

Mr Nick09 wrote: is this a real take? lol

I really struggle to see how Mbappe is better than Sadio Mane

You didn't even know who Sadio Mane was when he was Mbappé's age...since he was playing in Ligue 2.

It's really weird, it's like the people who are most skeptical about Mbappé are also the ones who place herculean expectations on him ( failing to destroy Real Madrid by himself, not being as complete as world-class finished products like Mané, CR7 etc..)

he certainly acts like an all time great that has already won 3 CL titles and is paid like world-class finished product

Mane playing the L1 at 20 does not mean anything, just like CR he needed time to polish his skills and decision making

Mane as you see has learned over the years to time his runs and to dictate the play, but how will Mbappe ever transform his kick and run dribbling skills into actual dribbling ? Or to use his left foot ?

literally all he does is kick the ball ahead and try to outrun his marker, which has not worked that well since he destroyed that poverty argentinian defence

Like Mbappe as a player but his attitude stinks, which is a shame because he sounded like a really good/level headed kid in Monaco. I guess that‘s what Paris life and money does to a person. With that attitude he has to be really really good to be liked and be given the credit he deserves. We‘ll see if he‘ll exceed those expectations.

Valkyrja wrote:

farfan wrote:

Valkyrja wrote:

I really struggle to see how Mbappe is better than Sadio Mane

You didn't even know who Sadio Mane was when he was Mbappé's age...since he was playing in Ligue 2.

It's really weird, it's like the people who are most skeptical about Mbappé are also the ones who place herculean expectations on him ( failing to destroy Real Madrid by himself, not being as complete as world-class finished products like Mané, CR7 etc..)

he certainly acts like an all time great that has already won 3 CL titles and is paid like world-class finished product

Mane playing the L1 at 20 does not mean anything, just like CR he needed time to polish his skills and decision making

Mane as you see has learned over the years to time his runs and to dictate the play, but how will Mbappe ever transform his kick and run dribbling skills into actual dribbling ? Or to use his left foot ?

literally all he does is kick the ball ahead and try to outrun his marker, which has not worked that well since he destroyed that poverty argentinian defence

Mbappé's future looks to be as a forward/SS, as long as his instinct for goal and positioning keeps improving, he's set to become a phenom in the coming years. I don't see why it's crazy to imagine him as a potential CR7 - headers or as a more explosive Grizemann.

And of course Mané playing in Ligue 2 at age 20 means something. It shows you how precocious Mbappé is compared to the world-class players of today.

then we’ll have to wait and see how good he’ll be at 27. my feeling is that he won’t be much better than currently

Let's not insult Ronaldo by comparing him to plebs like Mbappe and Neymar etc. Ronaldo is on a whole other level to them and they'll never reach his level. He shot himself in the foot by going to Serie Zz and a team thar creates as many chances as Atleti per game.

I agree with Valk, MBappe is very limited as a player, he needs to choose a quality and just hone it. Kick and run football will only take him so far see Bale. If he wants to be a goalscorer then he should just ask his coach to play him as a CF. This whole wing experiment isn't doing him any favours. He has met us like 4 times and not once was I ever worried about him. He is overhyped, his performances in the big games does not mirror his positions in the balon d'or list.

As for his attitude, yes he needs to tone it down, he went out in the 90th min ffs. And bringing up Ronaldo who was subbed constantly by Zizou without having hissy fits and he could actually back up his petulance with his performances

Myesyats wrote:

jibers wrote:

Valkyrja wrote:except he is not half the player CR is and will never be

a decent finisher with insane pace doesn’t make for a CR level player, he’s much more than that

have you guys seen Mbappe shoot with his left ? so cringe ‍�

Errr Mbappe is 20. Ronaldo was mainly seen as a show pony, a diver without end product and a player that would not reach his full potential. This was till he was like 21/22ish. Basically after the World Cup in 2006.


He has played well in the CL against top opposition since he was 18. Mbappe completely smokes Ronaldo at the same age and there is no comparison tbh. He was already 4th in the ballon Dor last year and 6th this year. BEst young player at the WC etc

What exactly is a CR level player? IS CR himself a 'CR Level player' atm?

Using balon dor as means to judge players hahahahah man gtfo

Mbappe didnt deserve to be in top 10 of balon dor but hes the best young player so they put him there because he's popular.

He is far from Neymar level let alone legendary CR status. ffs

So a kid that led Monaco to a victory over PSG and scored against EVERY top side in the cl didn't deserve to be in the top 10? Strange argument. A kid that dominated the most prestigous tournament in the world at 19 years of age shouldn't be in the top 10?

Legerndary CR? Again we are comparing MBappe to Ronaldo at the same age. Mbappe simply smokes Ronaldo in every department. Big game performances, trophies etc

If you want to use the system argument then you can use that for Ronaldo and Messi when comparing them to all the past greats and argue their numbers are inflated due to playing in super teams.

Again, at this moment in time, Mbappe as a 20 years old completely leaves Ronaldo at the same age in the dust. In fact, there is really no comparison. Mbappe makes better decisions, better finisher, faster and a better team player. France's whole attack in the WC was built on getting the ball to a 19 year old Mbappe.

If France had Mbappe in Euro final in 16 they would have smashed Portugal. Meanwhile Ronaldo was 19 in Euro 04 and flopped in the Euro final against GREECE. Internationally and club level, the difference is night and day.

Valkyrja wrote:

jibers wrote:

Valkyrja wrote:except he is not half the player CR is and will never be

a decent finisher with insane pace doesn’t make for a CR level player, he’s much more than that

have you guys seen Mbappe shoot with his left ? so cringe ‍�

Errr Mbappe is 20. Ronaldo was mainly seen as a show pony, a diver without end product and a player that would not reach his full potential. This was till he was like 21/22ish. Basically after the World Cup in 2006.


He has played well in the CL against top opposition since he was 18. Mbappe completely smokes Ronaldo at the same age and there is no comparison tbh. He was already 4th in the ballon Dor last year and 6th this year. BEst young player at the WC etc

What exactly is a CR level player? IS CR himself a 'CR Level player' atm?

Well CR atm isn't a CR level player but Mbappe plays like a faster version of the current CR minus the ability to play with both feet and head the ball like nobody else.

As for the comparison between 20 yo CR and Mbappe, it's not fair because they've had different projections and CR hasn't benefited as a 20yo of the tactical schemes he and Messi installed over the last 15 years. He started as a winger in a 442 and he was more raw as a youngster but had a base of technical qualities to build on that Mbappe doesn't benefit from. In that regard Mbappe is more similar to Rooney or Owen than to CR who needed a few years to learn how to use his skills. Mbappe simply does not have the technical qualities that CR had as a youngster and has much less room to improve.

CR had much more talent as a but needed time to polish his skills and decision making, Mbappe is very mature and very close to being a finished product.

Technical quality like what? pointless dribbling without end product. Go and rewatch Ronaldo in United in 06 to 08, in fact, his game improved when he cut out his stipid dribbling. Mbappe is already light years ahead of him in decision making and doesn't over do things. It took Ronaldo till he was 22 years of age before he realised he shouldn't do pointless step overs.

Mbappe is just as lethal as CR dribbling, in fact their dribbling styles are identical. Ronaldo was a player that relied on his athleticism to beat players hence once he lost his pace he literally couldn't beat a cone. He's been a box player since 2014 with the occasional "dribble". Mbappe consistently smokes players with his athleticism and does use tricks like CR but is much better at using his skill set.

You and farfán are missing the point that myesyats was talking about the 2019 ballon dor.

What does it matter how someone was when he was 20? Bojan was outscoring Ronaldo at 17. Player development is never linear. Ronaldo's performances quadrupled from 20 to 22 numbers-wise despite playing in the most competitive league in that time. Mbappe might not improve from here on or even regress despite being a 20 year old in an elementary school level playing field in Ligue 1 where Depay is competing for top scorer honours after managing mighty 7 goals in 2 years in England.

rincon wrote:You and farfán are missing the point that myesyats was talking about the 2019 ballon dor.

33 goals in Ligue 1 should be enough to get you in. Arshavin made it to 6th while playing at Zenit ffs.

jibers wrote:

If France had Mbappe in Euro final in 16 they would have smashed Portugal. Meanwhile Ronaldo was 19 in Euro 04 and flopped in the Euro final against GREECE. Internationally and club level, the difference is night and day.

If PSG had Mbappe, they wouldn’t have lost 1-3 to Man United’s Chuck E Cheese division. Oh wait, Mbappe played that entire match

I don’t care much for this argument, but you’ve had a clear bias against C. Ronaldo for over a decade now. At least, bring back the humor. You know, the Ronaldo fighting against gravity thing you did before, or something like that. Your «Ronaldo is overrated and sucks» narrative is getting quite stale, in my humble opinion.

farfan wrote:

rincon wrote:You and farfán are missing the point that myesyats was talking about the 2019 ballon dor.

33 goals in Ligue 1 should be enough to get you in. Arshavin made it to 6th while playing at Zenit ffs.

This isn't my discussion. I was just pointing that you are all talking about different things.

I dont care to argue about the BdO merits of the french Walcott

futbol wrote:What does it matter how someone was when he was 20? Bojan was outscoring Ronaldo at 17. Player development is never linear. Ronaldo's performances quadrupled from 20 to 22 numbers-wise despite playing in the most competitive league in that time. Mbappe might not improve from here on or even regress despite being a 20 year old in an elementary school level playing field in Ligue 1 where Depay is competing for top scorer honours after managing mighty 7 goals in 2 years in England.

Development is indeed not linear, but why are some of you dead set on Mbappé not reaching super-elite status? There were absolutely no signs that Ronaldo would become the monster that he became. He literally went from a flashy player with no end product to a player with no flash and all the end product in the world.

Thimmy wrote:

jibers wrote:

If France had Mbappe in Euro final in 16 they would have smashed Portugal. Meanwhile Ronaldo was 19 in Euro 04 and flopped in the Euro final against GREECE. Internationally and club level, the difference is night and day.

If PSG had Mbappe, they wouldn’t have lost 1-3 to Man United’s Chuck E Cheese division. Oh wait, Mbappe played that entire match

I don’t care much for this argument, but you’ve had a clear bias against C. Ronaldo for over a decade now. At least, bring back the humor. You know, the Ronaldo fighting against gravity thing you did before, or something like that. Your «Ronaldo is overrated and sucks» narrative is getting quite stale, in my humble opinion.

What are you on about? Agenda against Ronaldo? Gravity thing? What?

Couldn't care less about Ronaldo or Messi for that matter. Never said Ronaldo was ovverated. In fact, I compared Mbappe now to Ronaldo at the same age, that is it. Ronaldo is one of the greatest players of all time and one of the best forwards.

Where was Ronaldo when we finished bottom of a cl group in 05/06 that contained Villareal, Lille and Benfica?

Thimmy wrote:

jibers wrote:

If France had Mbappe in Euro final in 16 they would have smashed Portugal. Meanwhile Ronaldo was 19 in Euro 04 and flopped in the Euro final against GREECE. Internationally and club level, the difference is night and day.

If PSG had Mbappe, they wouldn’t have lost 1-3 to Man United’s Chuck E Cheese division. Oh wait, Mbappe played that entire match

I don’t care much for this argument, but you’ve had a clear bias against C. Ronaldo for over a decade now. At least, bring back the humor. You know, the Ronaldo fighting against gravity thing you did before, or something like that. Your «Ronaldo is overrated and sucks» narrative is getting quite stale, in my humble opinion.

still mad that his team went to shit since Judas left

@Jibers I don’t rate CR nearly as high as some other guys do, infact I don’t see him as a top 3/5 player of the past 10 years, but the Mbappe comparisons are laughable to say at least. Not the French Walcott but he’s certainly closer to Walcott than to Cristiano fcking Ronaldo. Leave their achievements as 20yo aside, its clear that CR is a more talented ball player than this kid. He was great on the ball as young, running at players at pace with great ball control. Mbappe is all pace and smart movement, and that’s worrying for a 20 year old because he doesn’t have the technical base to build on, as opposed to CR who had a complex skillset that required polishing. compare 06/07 CR to current Mbappe and it’s not even the same ball game

futbol wrote:What does it matter how someone was when he was 20? Bojan was outscoring Ronaldo at 17. Player development is never linear. Ronaldo's performances quadrupled from 20 to 22 numbers-wise despite playing in the most competitive league in that time. Mbappe might not improve from here on or even regress despite being a 20 year old in an elementary school level playing field in Ligue 1 where Depay is competing for top scorer honours after managing mighty 7 goals in 2 years in England.

You’re spot on, but you’re wasting your time writing this. Fans will believe what they want to believe over «boring, rational observations». We’re all omniscient fans who know the full context behind every player and manager decision, after all

There is nothing spot on or rational about baselessly predicting an unusually bleak/stagnating trajectory for the most precocious talent in world football.

You're all being danyjr right now, hating on a player simply because you're annoyed by the hype.

farfan wrote:There is nothing spot on or rational about baselessly predicting an unusually bleak/stagnating trajectory for the most precocious talent in world football.

You're all being danyjr right now, hating on a player simply because you're annoyed by the hype.

2020s is going to be a shit decade if this guy is the most precocious talent in world football

Ronaldo
Ronaldinho
Messi
Mbappe

pick the odd one out ‍�

I just hate it when i see stuff like “CR was trash while mbappe led his country to a WC” or “CR is a legendary player don’t compare that pleb to mbappe”

Like why do you have to put down a player to praise another?

I’d like to make some clarifications though, if we are talking about the same age (20)
CR is a better dribbler then Mbappe.
Mbappe and CR are about on par speed wise
Mbappe has the better decision making and footballing brain.
CR has more creativity and magic
Mbappe is more lethal in front of goal

Valkyrja wrote:

farfan wrote:There is nothing spot on or rational about baselessly predicting an unusually bleak/stagnating trajectory for the most precocious talent in world football.

You're all being danyjr right now, hating on a player simply because you're annoyed by the hype.

2020s is going to be a shit decade if this guy is the most precocious talent in world football

Ronaldo
Ronaldinho
Messi
Mbappe

pick the odd one out ‍�

I'm obviously talking about young players in the present. He's the most precocious talent we have RIGHT NOW. how did you not get that?

I agree Gig

What I’m trying to say is that CR lacked qualities that can be built through training and game time, Mbappe on the other hand lacks some innate skills that can’t be learned

farfan wrote:

Valkyrja wrote:

farfan wrote:There is nothing spot on or rational about baselessly predicting an unusually bleak/stagnating trajectory for the most precocious talent in world football.

You're all being danyjr right now, hating on a player simply because you're annoyed by the hype.

2020s is going to be a shit decade if this guy is the most precocious talent in world football

Ronaldo
Ronaldinho
Messi
Mbappe

pick the odd one out ‍�

I'm obviously talking about young players in the present. He's the most precocious talent we have RIGHT NOW. how did you not get that?

I just don’t want to make a Messi of someone who is not even as good as CR. I don’t want this spoiled brat come to us because he will require special treatment that only Messi deserves. 10 years of CR were enough, I never want to get into sth like that again. I prefer City’s structure tbh

FennecFox7 wrote:I just hate it when i see stuff like “CR was trash while mbappe led his country to a WC” or “CR is a legendary player don’t compare that pleb to mbappe”

Like why do you have to put down a player to praise another?

I’d like to make some clarifications though, if we are talking about the same age (20)
CR is a better dribbler then Mbappe.
Mbappe and CR are about on par speed wise
Mbappe has the better decision making and footballing brain.
CR has more creativity and magic
Mbappe is more lethal in front of goal

Giggity

I agree with everything except speed. Mbappe is faster than Ronaldo ever was. He's arguably the fastes player I've ever seen bar maybe Aubameyang.