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Post by Doc on Wed Jan 15, 2020 10:17 pm

Was gonna write something logical then I saw it's the Daily Mail made that article.

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Post by Casciavit on Tue Aug 18, 2020 8:27 pm

Frenkie de Jong was the one who recommended the Barça board to hire Schreuder as Koeman's assistant coach. Koeman liked the idea very much and agreed. [de telegraaf]

Schreuder was Ten Hag's assistant during Ajax's 2018/2019 season. De Jong taking matters into his own hands ffs. :bow:

Considering Koeman was Frenkie's NT manager he also knows that Frenkie is best behind the ball rather than playing ahead of it. Expect him to have a breakout season lads.
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Post by Mr Nick09 on Tue Aug 18, 2020 8:53 pm

come on now Casc, barca are burning, camp nou is on fire and you think they are there to listen to De Jong with his nothing career so far in barcelona? lol

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Post by Casciavit on Tue Aug 18, 2020 8:55 pm

Let me spill potentially fake propaganda in peace bro.

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Post by Mr Nick09 on Tue Aug 18, 2020 8:56 pm

i am just here to see barca mount another bogus deal to exchange Suarez and Van de Scrub
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Post by BarcaLearning on Tue Aug 18, 2020 11:26 pm

We Barca's system traditionally a 3 midfleld, so whats gonna play the DM role? Pjanic isnt strong enough and always needs a stronger type next to him, and he wont play left or right midfield, so I guess De Jong and we will need to sign an all rounder type for the other side, otherwise it will be Vidal/Roberto again, or even more of Busquets with us settling with a double pivot or something?

Im depressed thinking about this already lol.
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Post by Myesyats on Wed Aug 19, 2020 3:25 am

Is Frenkie really at his best at DM? IMO his best performances at Barca so far were at LCM where he had freedom to advance up the pitch.
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Post by Casciavit on Wed Aug 19, 2020 3:54 am

Like a lot of these new gen CM's, they're best in a midfield two. You don't want them playing as a lone pivot nor high up the pitch.

Maybe down the line, he will play as a lone 6 in a 4-3-3, but for now, he shouldn't. De Jong is best playing behind the ball, but having the freedom to carry the ball forward. Let him run the game from deep.

My recommendation:
Play him in a midfield two with Pjanic anchoring. It will be a similar dynamic like that of Ajax and Netherlands.

Play a 4-3-3, but have him play deeper covering the FB's back. This is similar to Kroos' role at Madrid, or Paredes' role for PSG today. This only works if you have an attacking LB and a winger who plays inside. Essentially, you're just changing the profiles but the triangle on the left remains the same.

------------------New Inside Forward
Alba--------------------
---------Frenkie----------

The positioning of the left triangle would look something like that. Very similar to Madrid 2016-2018.
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Post by BarcaLearning on Wed Aug 19, 2020 6:34 am

Not sure about De Jong's best position atm since he can play all round, but Im sure he would be our best midfielder where ever he plays in there lol. So we will need to see how Koeman sets the formation, but however way it will still be 3 midfielders im pretty sure, otherwise u would leave out Griezmann and Dembele in order to fit in again a not so good midfielder of ours to make it 4 or Vidal in strange roles which are definitely not good enough. So it should be Pjanic and De Jong and another to make a 3.

Casciavit what u mean would be Griezmann playing that role already atm right or similarly for Coutinho, which has proven to be effective, despite the right logic for whatever reasons. I think a lot will depend on if Suarez stays too, hes such good friends with Messi so wouldnt be surprised if he will be starting again next season, but it needs to change, whether its someone new, or to have Dembele replace him who will play wide obviously, with MEssi and Griezmann needing to be playing higher up or something:

                Suarez/Dembele
    Griezmann    Messi
Alba   De Jong Pjanic 3rd MF
  Lenglet - Pique - Semedo

Far from ideal, but cant see much else possibilities with the current players we got, apart from the odd rotation with Fati, etc.
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Post by Casciavit on Wed Aug 19, 2020 6:28 pm

@Barcalearning

I wouldn't play Griezmann nor Coutinho in that role. It's just going to clog up the middle, especially if Messi is doing the same on the other side. You want someone to move away from the players not toward them. The opposition fullback will hypothetically already be occupied by Alba. Hence the space is between the opposition's LB and LCB, aka the left channel. You want someone to run into those areas instead.

Best way to take advantage of that when you have those kind of profiles in your triangle is to have a runner. Someone like Son/Mane/Gnaby/Sane/Mbappe. The list goes on, I hope you understand the kind of player I'm referring to.
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Post by Hapless_Hans on Wed Aug 19, 2020 7:28 pm

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Post by BarcaLearning on Wed Aug 19, 2020 11:43 pm

@Casciavit wrote:@Barcalearning

I wouldn't play Griezmann nor Coutinho in that role. It's just going to clog up the middle, especially if Messi is doing the same on the other side. You want someone to move away from the players not toward them. The opposition fullback will hypothetically already be occupied by Alba. Hence the space is between the opposition's LB and LCB, aka the left channel. You want someone to run into those areas instead.

Best way to take advantage of that when you have those kind of profiles in your triangle is to have a runner. Someone like Son/Mane/Gnaby/Sane/Mbappe. The list goes on, I hope you understand the kind of player I'm referring to.

Understood and definitely agree. What I meant was Griezmann and Cou proved ineffective, too many typos Razz

The players u listed are what we need but we just dont have them and dont trust the management to be able to get one we need so we will have to make do I guess. Good coaches will adjust players and ask one of our current attackers or even midfield runners to make those runs or similar adjustments, which I doubt Koeman will. But theoretically speaking, even Griezmann can do it, hes not that slow of a player and has the technique, hes just completely lost confidence though which is too bad.
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Post by danyjr on Sun Aug 30, 2020 12:42 pm

I feel sorry for the guy. Imagine having every top club in Europe after you yet choosing to sign for Barça to play with Messi, only for him to leave after a trophy-less season.

Reminds me of RVP when he joined United to work with SAF. It must be a Dutch thing.
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Post by S on Sun Aug 30, 2020 1:02 pm

Barca have a rich history with Dutch players. I'm not sure playing with Messi would have been the only reason to play for them.

Though in their current state, he could have picked a much more stable club for sure.

RVP on the other hand was 29 with a few good years left in him and finally wanted to win something. I'm sure SAF wouldn't have been the biggest factor in joining them.

Plus he was joining the biggest club in the world. I don't think he regrets it one bit @Frenzy.
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Post by danyjr on Wed Sep 02, 2020 7:27 am

Frenkie de Jong wrote:It is chaos, there is a lot going on.
I did not talk to him (Messi) about this myself. Not even the club. So I honestly don't know about it. But if Messi really leaves, it will be a huge blow to the team and the club. But when I come back after these international matches, I will see what happened.
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Post by Myesyats on Wed Sep 02, 2020 11:56 am

As I said before, there is no communication.

Bartomeu is making decision behind everyone's back so not surprised Messi did the same and sent the fax without even talking to anyone at the club.

Toxic environment that has been decaying this club from inside since a couple years already.
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Post by futbol on Wed Sep 02, 2020 1:59 pm

@danyjr wrote:I feel sorry for the guy. Imagine having every top club in Europe after you yet choosing to sign for Barça to play with Messi, only for him to leave after a trophy-less season.

Reminds me of RVP when he joined United to work with SAF. It must be a Dutch thing.


He did not join for Messi, in fact he seems to have clashed with Messi. He joined for the money.

Also no need to feel sorry for the biggest fraud of this century.

Hyped up to be some generational talent based on 2 collective Ajax team knockout performances yet in reality he's a midfielder with no vision or passing ability and no defensive awareness who is only good at shielding the ball under pressure.

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Post by Myesyats on Fri Sep 04, 2020 6:20 pm

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Post by danyjr on Fri Sep 04, 2020 6:23 pm

Xavi-esque.

There is a reason Messi likes him and actually trusts him with the ball.
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Post by Myesyats on Fri Sep 04, 2020 7:17 pm

@futbol wrote:a midfielder with no vision or passing ability

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Post by Casciavit on Fri Sep 04, 2020 7:29 pm

Seems like he needs a new agenda after Thiago made him eat crow. Ain't no one forgetting your slander about him a few years ago which you are now quiet about.

You will be proven wrong, again, and this time it will be by Frenkie. No doubt about it.
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Post by danyjr on Fri Sep 04, 2020 7:45 pm

Truth be told Thiago never lived up to his hype. The guy was meant to be a successor to Spain's midfield, what he has done is winning worthless bundesfodder titles, one mini CL and has flopped every time he's played for Spain.
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Post by Doc on Sat Sep 05, 2020 8:52 am

Wait, not that I am disregarding his talents as he is a very talented footballer but that pass wasn't anything outside the scope of anyone who can kick a ball well. I've seen Parejo make that sort of "effortless" pass and I would like to think De Jong is better than Parejo.

It's a good ball but nothing really outstanding.
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Post by S on Sat Sep 05, 2020 9:03 am

@Doc wrote:Wait, not that I am disregarding his talents as he is a very talented footballer but that pass wasn't anything outside the scope of anyone who can kick a ball well. I've seen Parejo make that sort of "effortless" pass and I would like to think De Jong is better than Parejo.

It's a good ball but nothing really outstanding.


Same.

I've seen many mediocre Serie A players 'effortlessly' executing these passes.

This is nothing out of the ordinary.
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Post by RealGunner on Sat Sep 05, 2020 9:04 am

@Myesyats wrote:


Kept waiting for an effortless pass. Nabil Bentaleb plays these in his sleep.

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Post by Onyx on Sat Sep 05, 2020 9:47 am

Was waiting for it too, turns out it was the generic long pass at the start. hmm
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