Nationalism in Europe [Controversial]

Hapless_Hans wrote:This discussion is the worst

This is a tough and controversial subject to discuss, but a necessary one all the same. If you were expecting an academic debate, I think you're sorely mistaken.

For me, more is learned from raw, honest discussion. It's ugly, but it gets at the root of the problem directly.

If it helps, I'll add a "controversial tag" to this thread as a warning of the comments within it.

Unique wrote:

Betty La Fea wrote:

Unique wrote: yes they could rape in their own country but thats a problem their own country has to deal with. the people of each country should have to deal with their own criminals. europe should not have to deal with criminals from other countries. and the women of europe should defo not have to be victims of them criminals.

What if Europe caused the issue?

europe did not cause the problem the religion they follow did.

Agreed. Humans were very peaceful before religion.

Freeza wrote:

Unique wrote:

Betty La Fea wrote:

What if Europe caused the issue?

europe did not cause the problem the religion they follow did.

Agreed. Humans were very peaceful before religion.

humans are and always have been evil by nature ive said that in another thread. now if you brain wash them with religion then you end up where we are now.

Unique wrote:

Betty La Fea wrote:

Unique wrote: yes they could rape in their own country but thats a problem their own country has to deal with. the people of each country should have to deal with their own criminals. europe should not have to deal with criminals from other countries. and the women of europe should defo not have to be victims of them criminals.

What if Europe caused the issue?

europe did not cause the problem the religion they follow did.

Religion has nothing to do with it because the white guys(many of whom from YOUR country) running around Thailand,The philippines, and other parts of Asia harassing women in the same way these immigrants in Europe also do are NOT Muslim.

Islam is the red herring for the issue Europeans, in large part, seem frightened of saying. They DONT WANT BROWN MEN IN THEIR COUNTRIES FRATERNIZING WITH THEIR WOMEN

Tell the truth and shame the devil.

Unique wrote:

BarrileteCosmico wrote:

Nishankly wrote:There is no reason to defend rapists or sexual harassment of the smallest kind, if a certain population has officially being accounted for doing it, they should face the consequences. No other ways to that.

Populations can't be responsible for anything,only individuals.

but its a lot of individuals from a certain population.

Yes... and?

Unique wrote:

McLewis wrote:

Unique wrote:

BarrileteCosmico wrote:

Populations can't be responsible for anything,only individuals.

but its a lot of individuals from a certain population.

Want to take a stab at defining "a lot"? Is there a percentage?

It's ill advised to paint an entire demographic with a broad brush due to the actions of some.

Probability is a slippery slope.

well these attacks are on a very big scale and they are commited by the same people. if these crimes were investigated by FBI profilers where do you think it would lead. lots of countries in europe are seeing these crime from the same people. thats not my opinion its a fact.

By the same token visiting football fans often act belligerently in other countries, often get into altercations with locals, drink heavily, are rude and litter... In some instances they have even stabbed other fans! Problem people any way you look at it. What do you think we should do about this problematic population?

Betty La Fea wrote:

Unique wrote:

Betty La Fea wrote:


What if Europe caused the issue?

europe did not cause the problem the religion they follow did.

Religion has nothing to do with it because the white guys(many of whom from YOUR country) running around Thailand,The philippines, and other parts of Asia harassing women in the same way these immigrants in Europe also do are NOT Muslim.

Islam is the red herring for the issue Europeans, in large part, seem frightened of saying. They DONT WANT BROWN MEN IN THEIR COUNTRIES FRATERNIZING WITH THEIR WOMEN

Tell the truth and shame the devil.

i would have thought a smart guy like you would know muslims are from all races and colours. let me tell you why religion is the problem here. in the holy book no one is greater than god. but the prohpet mohamed is as close to god as you will ever get in the eyes of islam. now if you teach a child from 3yo that mohamed is the best human that ever lived and is only 2nd to god then these kids will follow that for fear of going against god. now if you read the holy book it says that mohamed took a 6yo child as a wife and had sex with her when she was 9yo. the book also says that you can cut the heads off non believers. it also says that you can take sex slaves from non belivers. it also says that non muslims are fair game to be robbed and piliged. so it is really saying that non muslims are pretty much dirt. now we all know all of that is bullshit but the problem is they dont. now if you tell a child that this man is the greatest man ever and this is the things he did how do you think them children will grow up. the men and women in europe live a life that goes against everything that religion preaches. you have to be a special kind of stupid not to see where the conflict comes from. you tell a child that only muslim women that are covered from head to toe should be respected how do you think they will act when they see young girls in europe wearing short skirts and tank tops. they act the way they do because they have been brain washed into acting like they do. so you cant blame europe for that because europe didnt brain wash them. and one more thing. im not sure that rape can be classed as FRATERNIZING WITH THEIR WOMEN

BarrileteCosmico wrote:

Unique wrote:

McLewis wrote:


Want to take a stab at defining "a lot"? Is there a percentage?

It's ill advised to paint an entire demographic with a broad brush due to the actions of some.

Probability is a slippery slope.

well these attacks are on a very big scale and they are commited by the same people. if these crimes were investigated by FBI profilers where do you think it would lead. lots of countries in europe are seeing these crime from the same people. thats not my opinion its a fact.

By the same token visiting football fans often act belligerently in other countries, often get into altercations with locals, drink heavily, are rude and litter... In some instances they have even stabbed other fans! Problem people any way you look at it. What do you think we should do about this problematic population?

that is true. in the 70s and 80s england fans were the worst in the world for that kind of stuff. and they got banned from europe.

Unique wrote:

McLewis wrote:

Unique wrote:

BarrileteCosmico wrote:

Populations can't be responsible for anything,only individuals.

but its a lot of individuals from a certain population.

Want to take a stab at defining "a lot"? Is there a percentage?

It's ill advised to paint an entire demographic with a broad brush due to the actions of some.

Probability is a slippery slope.

well these attacks are on a very big scale and they are commited by the same people. if these crimes were investigated by FBI profilers where do you think it would lead. lots of countries in europe are seeing these crime from the same people. thats not my opinion its a fact.

I highly doubt that the BAU would conclude that male Syrian refugees (I assume that's who you're referring to as the "same people") are more likely to rape white European women simply because of where they come from. That would be a rather poor profile.

Here's my take on this: Let's say a 2 male children are born to a toxically masculine, woman-hating dad and a docile, servile and weak-willed mother who can't defend herself. 1 boy is taken away and raised in a progressive Western household (We'll call him West Boy) where the Mom is co-breadwinner with Dad, who love and respect each other. His brother (Let's call him Home Boy), however, remains with their birth parents with Dad dominating Mom.

As he goes through adolescence and early teenage years, West Boy learns the value of respecting everyone, regardless of gender. Conversely, Home Boy learns, via observing how dad treats mom and other women in their orbit, that women are worthless and are sirens, tempting you with their feminine wiles and forcing you to beat them into obediance and submission with rape as a reward for those efforts. Repeated observation and explanation from Dad warps the boy's mind to this state of thinking.

As teenagers and young adults, West Boy is your normal, friendly, and adjusted kid with a girlfriend he adores and plenty of male and female friends that he enjoys hanging out with. He's settles down, marries and has children of his own, to whom he passes on those same values he came up with.  Home Boy? Well he's on his own now and for the first time in his life, is encountering situations involving women who aren't anything like what his dear old dad had him believing his whole life. So how does he react? By doing what he's been taught all his life. Attempted and unfortunately successful rapes occur and he's bewildered at women actually fighting back and him actually being arrested (or persecuted in his mind) by authorities.

What I'm getting at with this admitted and neatly constructed anecdote is there are families all over the world who teach their sons the right way to treat not just women, but everyone around them. They teach respect, understanding, humility and empathy. Conversely, there are family dynamics at play where masculinity is solely respected and the virtues above are considered weak and for women. Strength is the order of the day and anything and everything can be taken through it. I've seen this pop up here in America, your own backyard in the UK, supposedly other "progressive" cities, countries and regions. It's not just confined to 3rd world, politically unstable, war-torn countries and regions so geography doesn't matter. It's played out in Christian and Muslim households so religion doesn't matter. It's played out in black, white, asian, hispanic and middle eastern households so race/heritage doesn't matter. It's played out in rich households, poor households, and working class households so wealth doesn't matter.

What does matter is how they were raised and what/who their influencers were that developed their worldview.

TL;DR - It's not where you come from, it's how you're raised. These guys were not raised well. Their families failed them and are as responsible for what they are now as the men themselves. Race, geography and religion have little to do with it.

Unique wrote:

Betty La Fea wrote:

Unique wrote:
europe did not cause the problem the religion they follow did.

Religion has nothing to do with it because the white guys(many of whom from YOUR country) running around Thailand,The philippines, and other parts of Asia harassing women in the same way these immigrants in Europe also do are NOT Muslim.

Islam is the red herring for the issue Europeans, in large part, seem frightened of saying. They DONT WANT BROWN MEN IN THEIR COUNTRIES FRATERNIZING WITH THEIR WOMEN

Tell the truth and shame the devil.

i would have thought a smart guy like you would know muslims are from all races and colours. let me tell you why religion is the problem here. in the holy book no one is greater than god. but the prohpet mohamed is as close to god as you will ever get in the eyes of islam. now if you teach a child from 3yo that mohamed is the best human that ever lived and is only 2nd to god then these kids will follow that for fear of going against god. now if you read the holy book it says that mohamed took a 6yo child as a wife and had sex with her when she was 9yo. the book also says that you can cut the heads off non believers. it also says that you can take sex slaves from non belivers. it also says that non muslims are fair game to be robbed and piliged. so it is really saying that non muslims are pretty much dirt. now we all know all of that is bullshit but the problem is they dont. now if you tell a child that this man is the greatest man ever and this is the things he did how do you think them children will grow up. the men and women in europe live a life that goes against everything that religion preaches. you have to be a special kind of stupid not to see where the conflict comes from. you tell a child that only muslim women that are covered from head to toe should be respected how do you think they will act when they see young girls in europe wearing short skirts and tank tops. they act the way they do because they have been brain washed into acting like they do. so you cant blame europe for that because europe didnt brain wash them. and one more thing. im not sure that rape can be classed as FRATERNIZING WITH THEIR WOMEN

Can you provide documentation for the bolded?

if you look at the pedo rape gangs that were in the news by muslim men on white girls as the news reported. ive seen people say they targeted them because they were white. thats 100% bullshit. being white had nothing to do with it. they targeted them girls because they were not muslims. they have been told that non muslim girls who dont cover up from head to toe are slags. thats why they target them. nothing to do with race at all imo.

Betty La Fea wrote:

Unique wrote:

Betty La Fea wrote:


Religion has nothing to do with it because the white guys(many of whom from YOUR country) running around Thailand,The philippines, and other parts of Asia harassing women in the same way these immigrants in Europe also do are NOT Muslim.

Islam is the red herring for the issue Europeans, in large part, seem frightened of saying. They DONT WANT BROWN MEN IN THEIR COUNTRIES FRATERNIZING WITH THEIR WOMEN

Tell the truth and shame the devil.

i would have thought a smart guy like you would know muslims are from all races and colours. let me tell you why religion is the problem here. in the holy book no one is greater than god. but the prohpet mohamed is as close to god as you will ever get in the eyes of islam. now if you teach a child from 3yo that mohamed is the best human that ever lived and is only 2nd to god then these kids will follow that for fear of going against god. now if you read the holy book it says that mohamed took a 6yo child as a wife and had sex with her when she was 9yo. the book also says that you can cut the heads off non believers. it also says that you can take sex slaves from non belivers. it also says that non muslims are fair game to be robbed and piliged. so it is really saying that non muslims are pretty much dirt. now we all know all of that is bullshit but the problem is they dont. now if you tell a child that this man is the greatest man ever and this is the things he did how do you think them children will grow up. the men and women in europe live a life that goes against everything that religion preaches. you have to be a special kind of stupid not to see where the conflict comes from. you tell a child that only muslim women that are covered from head to toe should be respected how do you think they will act when they see young girls in europe wearing short skirts and tank tops. they act the way they do because they have been brain washed into acting like they do. so you cant blame europe for that because europe didnt brain wash them. and one more thing. im not sure that rape can be classed as FRATERNIZING WITH THEIR WOMEN

Can you provide documentation for the bolded?

look it up. also i see you still have a problem with white guys

McLewis wrote:

Unique wrote:

McLewis wrote:


Want to take a stab at defining "a lot"? Is there a percentage?

It's ill advised to paint an entire demographic with a broad brush due to the actions of some.

Probability is a slippery slope.

well these attacks are on a very big scale and they are commited by the same people. if these crimes were investigated by FBI profilers where do you think it would lead. lots of countries in europe are seeing these crime from the same people. thats not my opinion its a fact.

I highly doubt that the BAU would conclude that male Syrian refugees (I assume that's who you're referring to as the "same people") are more likely to rape white European women simply because of where they come from. That would be a rather poor profile.

Here's my take on this: Let's say a 2 male children are born to a toxically masculine, woman-hating dad and a docile, servile and weak-willed mother who can't defend herself. 1 boy is taken away and raised in a progressive Western household (We'll call him West Boy) where the Mom is co-breadwinner with Dad, who love and respect each other. His brother (Let's call him Home Boy), however, remains with their birth parents with Dad dominating Mom.

As he goes through adolescence and early teenage years, West Boy learns the value of respecting everyone, regardless of gender. Conversely, Home Boy learns, via observing how dad treats mom and other women in their orbit, that women are worthless and are sirens, tempting you with their feminine wiles and forcing you to beat them into obediance and submission with rape as a reward for those efforts. Repeated observation and explanation from Dad warps the boy's mind to this state of thinking.

As teenagers and young adults, West Boy is your normal, friendly, and adjusted kid with a girlfriend he adores and plenty of male and female friends that he enjoys hanging out with. He's settles down, marries and has children of his own, to whom he passes on those same values he came up with.  Home Boy? Well he's on his own now and for the first time in his life, is encountering situations involving women who aren't anything like what his dear old dad had him believing his whole life. So how does he react? By doing what he's been taught all his life. Attempted and unfortunately successful rapes occur and he's bewildered at women actually fighting back and him actually being arrested (or persecuted in his mind) by authorities.

What I'm getting at with this admitted and neatly constructed anecdote is there are families all over the world who teach their sons the right way to treat not just women, but everyone around them. They teach respect, understanding, humility and empathy. Conversely, there are family dynamics at play where masculinity is solely respected and the virtues above are considered weak and for women. Strength is the order of the day and anything and everything can be taken through it. I've seen this pop up here in America, your own backyard in the UK, supposedly other "progressive" cities, countries and regions. It's not just confined to 3rd world, politically unstable, war-torn countries and regions so geography doesn't matter. It's played out in Christian and Muslim households so religion doesn't matter. It's played out in black, white, asian, hispanic and middle eastern households so race/heritage doesn't matter. It's played out in rich households, poor households, and working class households so wealth doesn't matter.

What does matter is how they were raised and what/who their influencers were that developed their worldview.

TL;DR - It's not where you come from, it's how you're raised. These guys were not raised well. Their families failed them and are as responsible for what they are now as the men themselves. Race, geography and religion have little to do with it.

i agree with all of that and thats exactly my point. if you are brain washed by a religion from a young age that tells you everything you see in europe goes against god and mohamed what do you expect. if you are told from a young age that only muslim women that are covered from head to toe are to be respected how are them men gonna act when they see young girls and women in europe. as you said take 2 kids from syria let one live in the english country side with 2 old english parents and let one stay in syria with his birth parents living under islam. then see how both of them treat women after 20 years. when children are born they are like a sponge. they soak up everything you teach them. and what you teach them will show up when they get older.

Unique wrote:if you look at the pedo rape gangs that were in the news by muslim men on white girls as the news reported. ive seen people say they targeted them because they were white. thats 100% bullshit. being white had nothing to do with it. they targeted them girls because they were not muslims. they have been told that non muslim girls who dont cover up from head to toe are slags. thats why they target them. nothing to do with race at all imo.

It's not a religious one either when you think critically about it.

There was a story a few years ago about a girl getting gang-raped out in Oakland. 40-something people watched and did nothing. The same is also prevalent in India as well. In these instances, neither group of rapists were Muslim.

Unique wrote:

McLewis wrote:

Unique wrote:

McLewis wrote:


Want to take a stab at defining "a lot"? Is there a percentage?

It's ill advised to paint an entire demographic with a broad brush due to the actions of some.

Probability is a slippery slope.

well these attacks are on a very big scale and they are commited by the same people. if these crimes were investigated by FBI profilers where do you think it would lead. lots of countries in europe are seeing these crime from the same people. thats not my opinion its a fact.

I highly doubt that the BAU would conclude that male Syrian refugees (I assume that's who you're referring to as the "same people") are more likely to rape white European women simply because of where they come from. That would be a rather poor profile.

Here's my take on this: Let's say a 2 male children are born to a toxically masculine, woman-hating dad and a docile, servile and weak-willed mother who can't defend herself. 1 boy is taken away and raised in a progressive Western household (We'll call him West Boy) where the Mom is co-breadwinner with Dad, who love and respect each other. His brother (Let's call him Home Boy), however, remains with their birth parents with Dad dominating Mom.

As he goes through adolescence and early teenage years, West Boy learns the value of respecting everyone, regardless of gender. Conversely, Home Boy learns, via observing how dad treats mom and other women in their orbit, that women are worthless and are sirens, tempting you with their feminine wiles and forcing you to beat them into obediance and submission with rape as a reward for those efforts. Repeated observation and explanation from Dad warps the boy's mind to this state of thinking.

As teenagers and young adults, West Boy is your normal, friendly, and adjusted kid with a girlfriend he adores and plenty of male and female friends that he enjoys hanging out with. He's settles down, marries and has children of his own, to whom he passes on those same values he came up with.  Home Boy? Well he's on his own now and for the first time in his life, is encountering situations involving women who aren't anything like what his dear old dad had him believing his whole life. So how does he react? By doing what he's been taught all his life. Attempted and unfortunately successful rapes occur and he's bewildered at women actually fighting back and him actually being arrested (or persecuted in his mind) by authorities.

What I'm getting at with this admitted and neatly constructed anecdote is there are families all over the world who teach their sons the right way to treat not just women, but everyone around them. They teach respect, understanding, humility and empathy. Conversely, there are family dynamics at play where masculinity is solely respected and the virtues above are considered weak and for women. Strength is the order of the day and anything and everything can be taken through it. I've seen this pop up here in America, your own backyard in the UK, supposedly other "progressive" cities, countries and regions. It's not just confined to 3rd world, politically unstable, war-torn countries and regions so geography doesn't matter. It's played out in Christian and Muslim households so religion doesn't matter. It's played out in black, white, asian, hispanic and middle eastern households so race/heritage doesn't matter. It's played out in rich households, poor households, and working class households so wealth doesn't matter.

What does matter is how they were raised and what/who their influencers were that developed their worldview.

TL;DR - It's not where you come from, it's how you're raised. These guys were not raised well. Their families failed them and are as responsible for what they are now as the men themselves. Race, geography and religion have little to do with it.

i agree with all of that and thats exactly my point. if you are brain washed by a religion from a young age that tells you everything you see in europe goes against god and mohamed what do you expect. if you are told from a young age that only muslim women that are covered from head to toe are to be respected how are them men gonna act when they see young girls and women in europe. as you said take 2 kids from syria let one live in the english country side with 2 old english parents and let one stay in syria with his birth parents living under islam. then see how both of them treat women after 20 years. when children are born they are like a sponge. they soak up everything you teach them. and what you teach them will show up when they get older.

Well outside of the reference to Western civilization, I intentionally left out mention of Syria or any particular country. Really, I shouldn't have singled out Western Civilization either, but it's the civilization I know best.

The point is that bad family structure knows no region, religion, race or heritage. It can pop up literally anywhere and everywhere. It's always been there in Syria just as it's always been here in the US and where you are in the UK. Syria's in the spotlight because of the fact that its ridiculous civil war has created millions of refugees. Religion doesn't really factor in.

McLewis wrote:

Unique wrote:

McLewis wrote:


I highly doubt that the BAU would conclude that male Syrian refugees (I assume that's who you're referring to as the "same people") are more likely to rape white European women simply because of where they come from. That would be a rather poor profile.

Here's my take on this: Let's say a 2 male children are born to a toxically masculine, woman-hating dad and a docile, servile and weak-willed mother who can't defend herself. 1 boy is taken away and raised in a progressive Western household (We'll call him West Boy) where the Mom is co-breadwinner with Dad, who love and respect each other. His brother (Let's call him Home Boy), however, remains with their birth parents with Dad dominating Mom.

As he goes through adolescence and early teenage years, West Boy learns the value of respecting everyone, regardless of gender. Conversely, Home Boy learns, via observing how dad treats mom and other women in their orbit, that women are worthless and are sirens, tempting you with their feminine wiles and forcing you to beat them into obediance and submission with rape as a reward for those efforts. Repeated observation and explanation from Dad warps the boy's mind to this state of thinking.

As teenagers and young adults, West Boy is your normal, friendly, and adjusted kid with a girlfriend he adores and plenty of male and female friends that he enjoys hanging out with. He's settles down, marries and has children of his own, to whom he passes on those same values he came up with.  Home Boy? Well he's on his own now and for the first time in his life, is encountering situations involving women who aren't anything like what his dear old dad had him believing his whole life. So how does he react? By doing what he's been taught all his life. Attempted and unfortunately successful rapes occur and he's bewildered at women actually fighting back and him actually being arrested (or persecuted in his mind) by authorities.

What I'm getting at with this admitted and neatly constructed anecdote is there are families all over the world who teach their sons the right way to treat not just women, but everyone around them. They teach respect, understanding, humility and empathy. Conversely, there are family dynamics at play where masculinity is solely respected and the virtues above are considered weak and for women. Strength is the order of the day and anything and everything can be taken through it. I've seen this pop up here in America, your own backyard in the UK, supposedly other "progressive" cities, countries and regions. It's not just confined to 3rd world, politically unstable, war-torn countries and regions so geography doesn't matter. It's played out in Christian and Muslim households so religion doesn't matter. It's played out in black, white, asian, hispanic and middle eastern households so race/heritage doesn't matter. It's played out in rich households, poor households, and working class households so wealth doesn't matter.

What does matter is how they were raised and what/who their influencers were that developed their worldview.

TL;DR - It's not where you come from, it's how you're raised. These guys were not raised well. Their families failed them and are as responsible for what they are now as the men themselves. Race, geography and religion have little to do with it.

i agree with all of that and thats exactly my point. if you are brain washed by a religion from a young age that tells you everything you see in europe goes against god and mohamed what do you expect. if you are told from a young age that only muslim women that are covered from head to toe are to be respected how are them men gonna act when they see young girls and women in europe. as you said take 2 kids from syria let one live in the english country side with 2 old english parents and let one stay in syria with his birth parents living under islam. then see how both of them treat women after 20 years. when children are born they are like a sponge. they soak up everything you teach them. and what you teach them will show up when they get older.

Well outside of the reference to Western civilization, I intentionally left out mention of Syria or any particular country. Really, I shouldn't have singled out Western Civilization either, but it's the civilization I know best.

The point is that bad family structure knows no region, religion, race or heritage. It can pop up literally anywhere and everywhere. It's always been there in Syria just as it's always been here in the US and where you are in the UK. Syria's in the spotlight because of the fact that its ridiculous civil war has created millions of refugees. Religion doesn't really factor in.

but my point is out of all the people that immigrate to europe its only the muslims that we see problems with. hindus and sikhs have been coming to europe for over 50 years. we dont have them making no go zones. we dont have them raping women. we dont have them going into public swimming pools and groping young girls. we dont have the terrorist acts from them. so how is it they can come to europe and and intergrate just fine and respect the countries and the people in europe withour a problem but the muslims cant.

tbh i feel sorry for muslims . they are brain washed by a religion that stops them from all the good stuff life has to offer. all it does is isolate them from the rest of the world. imo it is a religion that does nothing but oppress people. and imo is the only reason why they cant intergrate in europe. islam teaches them to hate most of the stuff they see in europe.

BarrileteCosmico wrote:

Nishankly wrote:There is no reason to defend rapists or sexual harassment of the smallest kind, if a certain population has officially being accounted for doing it, they should face the consequences. No other ways to that.

Populations can't be responsible for anything,only individuals.

True.

Unique wrote:tbh i feel sorry for muslims . they are brain washed by a religion that stops them from all the good stuff life has to offer. all it does is isolate them from the rest of the world. imo it is a religion that does nothing but oppress people. and imo is the only reason why they cant intergrate in europe. islam teaches them to hate most of the stuff they see in europe.

No it doesn't. Stop trying to be an expert on Islam when the forum is filled with Muslims who know what the religion teaches or not teaches more than you will ever know.

Unique wrote:tbh i feel sorry for muslims . they are brain washed by a religion that stops them from all the good stuff life has to offer. all it does is isolate them from the rest of the world. imo it is a religion that does nothing but oppress people. and imo is the only reason why they cant intergrate in europe. islam teaches them to hate most of the stuff they see in europe.

Stop generalizing bruv

I don't pretend to understand the intricacies of Islam. Hell I don't even understand the intricacies of Christians and I have a family full of them. Lots of contradictions and complexities.

What I do know is what I've experienced. I live near one of the largest gatherings of Muslims outside of the Middle East (Dearborn, MI) and while I don't spend much time over there, I have come in contact with a lot of people from that part of the metro area. They are, in general, good people who work hard and are quite charitable. The mosques have frequently contributed within those communities, even partnering with churches for events. The negative experience involved a few guys I've come in contact with professionally that have openly showed sexist behavior towards women. However, I don't think that's inherently a Muslim thing given I've worked with and for plenty of non-Muslims who have no problem displaying the same awful behavior.

McLewis wrote:

Hapless_Hans wrote:This discussion is the worst

This is a tough and controversial subject to discuss, but a necessary one all the same. If you were expecting an academic debate, I think you're sorely mistaken.

For me, more is learned from raw, honest discussion. It's ugly, but it gets at the root of the problem directly.

If it helps, I'll add a "controversial tag" to this thread as a warning of the comments within it.

Nah you misunderstood me if it came across as that I'm offended. I wasn't offended and for my sake the thread doesn't need a tag.

M99 wrote:

Unique wrote:tbh i feel sorry for muslims . they are brain washed by a religion that stops them from all the good stuff life has to offer. all it does is isolate them from the rest of the world. imo it is a religion that does nothing but oppress people. and imo is the only reason why they cant intergrate in europe. islam teaches them to hate most of the stuff they see in europe.

No it doesn't. Stop trying to be an expert on Islam when the forum is filled with Muslims who know what the religion teaches or not teaches more than you will ever know.

No religion is good.... I live in the most white and Catholic country in Europe and religious people are nutjobs no matter what they believe in. Thankfully with the old generation dying out we slowly move away from this religious frenzy.

Now, imagine what I think of the people shouting Allahu Akbar if I speak so ill of Christians.

Hapless_Hans wrote:

McLewis wrote:

Hapless_Hans wrote:This discussion is the worst

This is a tough and controversial subject to discuss, but a necessary one all the same. If you were expecting an academic debate, I think you're sorely mistaken.

For me, more is learned from raw, honest discussion. It's ugly, but it gets at the root of the problem directly.

If it helps, I'll add a "controversial tag" to this thread as a warning of the comments within it.

Nah you misunderstood me if it came across as that I'm offended. I wasn't offended and for my sake the thread doesn't need a tag.

Now it has a tag for your sake, anyway. Add a no smileys warning for Viva's sake, as well. We don't want to offend the germans (imagine respectful gesture smiley here).

Your flirtations with fascism offend us anyway, no worries. Coffee-drinking smiley!

VivaStPauli wrote:Your flirtations with fascism offend us anyway, no worries. Coffee-drinking smiley!

Fascism? You mean, like, being offended that someone on an internet forum uses smileys? Around here, we call that being "nazi".