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Post by Doc on Wed Mar 06, 2019 7:58 pm

@nasir6371 wrote:


Excellent point.

It feels like Varane hasn't improve since that Classico where he had Messi in his pocket in 2012–13(?). People were projecting him to be a WC defender with all the attributes. Should be at Virgil van Dijk level by now, but Varane is a defender unable to read the game Nor properly put a tackle in Proud he will be back in Ligue 1 once Goatmos retires.

What? Do you actually follow Varane outside of the odd CL tie? Serious question because this post tells me you don't. Varane is an elite CB, no two ways about it.

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Post by M99 on Wed Mar 06, 2019 8:40 pm

@The Demon of Carthage wrote:
Arquitescu wrote:Wait Mole isn't a Barça fan? scratch

He's not. But between Barça and any other team not Newcastle United, he surely prefers the former.


@RealGunner wrote:Ashley Cole was a better LB than Maldini. Maldini is still a top 5 CB of all time though



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Need to cool off.
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Post by Doc on Wed Mar 06, 2019 8:49 pm

Mole straight up used to support Barcelona. I didn't imagine that, I know he did, mostly due to Sir Bobby's influence. Nowadays, he probably still prefers them over other Spanish sides.

Also, someone ban RG for that statement please.
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Post by Casciavit on Fri Aug 07, 2020 10:18 pm

When the lights shined brightest and he had to show he was more than Ramos' sideman, he choked. A true shame.
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Post by danyjr on Fri Aug 07, 2020 10:20 pm

That's really kneejerk. This was his worst match in a decade. True that it happened when it mattered the most, but I still regard him highly.
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Post by nasir6371 on Fri Aug 07, 2020 10:34 pm

@nasir6371 wrote:A Pace Merchant disguising as a Defender, Since day 1 never rated him.

Varane Without Goatmos in CL: Madrid 1-3 Juve; CSKA 1-0 Madrid; Madrid 1-4 Ajax


Add City 2-1 Madrid to the list. Prime Lescott would look just as good next to Ramos.
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Post by M99 on Fri Aug 07, 2020 10:50 pm

@danyjr wrote:That's really kneejerk. This was his worst match in a decade. True that it happened when it mattered the most, but I still regard him highly.


He looked bad multiple times without (and sometimes with) Ramos. He's good but nowhere near best CB in the world.
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Post by RealGunner on Fri Aug 07, 2020 11:05 pm

Yea he failed the PL test tbh

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Post by Thimmy on Fri Aug 07, 2020 11:23 pm

Worst performance of his career. We might've lost the match anyway, but he certainly ruled out any chance for us to win it. That said, I agree with Dany. It's not as if he has a habit of being a liability in defense, regardless of whether or not Ramos is next to him. I wouldn't be even remotely surprised if people on here had been singing his praises, had he actually played well in this single match.
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Post by AlphaBeast on Fri Aug 07, 2020 11:33 pm

Pique without Puyol....

Varane without Ramos....

Same Story.
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Post by Myesyats on Fri Aug 07, 2020 11:37 pm

The only thing this shambolic performance proves is that Ramos is the true undisputed GOAT and all Sergio haters shall gtfo.
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Post by Chad31 on Sat Aug 08, 2020 1:20 am

@Casciavit wrote:When the lights shined brightest and he had to show he was more than Ramos' sideman, he choked. A true shame.

This is 100% bs, what about all the big games when ramos gets destroyed or made mistakes, not trying to defend this match just the constant over the top reactions to mistakes that happens all the time in football if your having an off night, hopefully varane bounce back big next season.

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Post by jibers on Sat Aug 08, 2020 2:40 pm

Meh, he had a bad game but Ramos has had multiple of them. Laporte has been arguably the 2nd best cb in the EPL the last 2 seasons yet last season he was the main reason that City lost the tie to spurs. Laporte's performance was arguably worse than Varane's last night. It happens.
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Post by danyjr on Sat Aug 08, 2020 7:59 pm

@jibers wrote:Meh, he had a bad game but Ramos has had multiple of them. Laporte has been arguably the 2nd best cb in the EPL the last 2 seasons yet last season he was the main reason that City lost the tie to spurs. Laporte's performance was arguably worse than Varane's last night. It happens.
That's cause Varane is twice the player Laporte is.
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Post by BarcaLearning on Sun Aug 09, 2020 7:04 am

Puzzles me still how a defense consisting of Lloris, Varane and Umtiti did so well to win the WC? I guess Hernandez and Kante and Pogba did the work and hid these guys weaknesses Razz
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Post by Casciavit on Sun Aug 09, 2020 10:56 am

tbh bumped this thread more for the bait than anything else :coffee:

I rate Varane and still do, but it does need to be said he hasn't covered himself in glory when Ramos isn't around him in the CL.

Madrid lost 3-1 against Juve when he was tasked with leading the line.

They lost 4-1 against Ajax when he was tasked with leading the line.

They lost 2-1 against City with both individual errors coming from him when he was tasked with leading the line.

I'm not surprised that those losses all came from games Ramos was absent in. He really is the difference-maker for Madrid's backline. No doubt about it.
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Post by Casciavit on Sun Aug 09, 2020 10:59 am

@BarcaLearning wrote:Puzzles me still how a defense consisting of Lloris, Varane and Umtiti did so well to win the WC? I guess Hernandez and Kante and Pogba did the work and hid these guys weaknesses Razz


It's because they parked the bus every game. Put 6'6 Firenze at CB alongside pre-injury Umtiti, where he's flanked by two CB's playing FB in Pavard and Hernandez, and is shielded by Matuidi, Kante, and Pogba centrally, and France probably still wins the WC. Laughing
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Post by Great Leader Sprucenuce on Mon Aug 10, 2020 2:42 pm

Always been overhyped garbage just because he outrun Messi one time.

I will die on this hill.
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Post by Thimmy on Mon Aug 10, 2020 7:59 pm

I think it's a fair argument that Varane may be overrated, but this match wasn't a good indication of his quality, and the argument that Ramos is some kind of glorious white knight that Varane relies on to cover up his shortcomings, is simply a joke.
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Post by Hapless_Hans on Mon Aug 10, 2020 8:21 pm

Varane is not overrated. Maybe by Real fans.
By everyone else he's rated just correctly - as a top CB, consistently among the very best in the world, yet not a generational figure like Baresi, Kohler, Puyol, Boateng
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Post by Thimmy on Mon Aug 10, 2020 8:51 pm

Whether or not he's overrated, is relevant to the majority who rate him. Personally, I think some corners of the internet hyped him up to unreasonable heights after the last World Cup. I'm pretty sure some people on here jumped on that hype wagon, as well. I'm happy that we have him, but he has his strengths and weaknesses, and he does occasionally make mistakes, just like everyone else.

Needless to say, he was largely at fault for our loss to City, but as long as he doesn't make a habit of such mistakes, I don't think that performance means much in terms of gauging his quality. I certainly think he's been more defensively reliable for us than Ramos has, during the time they've played together for us. He doesn't stand out, like Ramos does with his offensive contributions, or Pepe did with his aggressive approach to defending. What he brings at his best is composure and a no nonsense wall in our backline. When he doesn't, like in the extreme example of this match, he stands out like a sore thumb.
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Post by BarrileteCosmico on Mon Aug 10, 2020 10:15 pm

@Casciavit wrote:When the lights shined brightest and he had to show he was more than Ramos' sideman, he choked. A true shame.
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