Bayern Munich Vs Real Madrid | UCL Semi first leg

It is them.

Heyneckes is no Guardiola. He knows his limitations and doesn't make stupid and unnecessary changes for fear of getting predictable.

This is going to be very tough, and Madrid can't turn off the switch under any circumstances.

We can't play without grit like we did against Juventus. And Z must stop using his ridiculous formation of 2 up front and play 5 in the middle with only Ronaldo up front.

We've drawn another tough opponent and it has been undoubtedly the toughest road in the CL in recent memory for any team. PSG-Juventus and Now Bayern. It can't possibly get any tougher than that.

I think ZZ subs at HT indicates he too wasn't happy with the formation and players. Can definitely see Lucas and Asensio starting this tie. Bayerns strength are their wings, and ZZ likes to play those two against good wingers. It'll literally be Ronaldo or bust. If Bayern succeed in keeping him quite I am 100% sure we won't score. At least we'll have Bale off the bench to provide some speed at the end of the game.

Brb, off to watch Sevilla v Bayern

Pretty sure Zidane will go for a flat 442 this time. He has to. 4312 won't work against a team with two speedy wingers.

Isco on the left is a certainty. I will do a detailed tactical analysis later though.

4312 with Kovacic as the 1 man marking James

Adit wrote:Pretty sure Zidane will go for a flat 442 this time. He has to. 4312 won't work against a team with two speedy wingers.

Isco on the left is a certainty. I will do a detailed tactical analysis later though.

This isn't 2012, Robben and  Ribery aren't that pacey anymore. Coman is by far their fastest player  but he is out injured, i think he'll be back for the tie but it'll be after 2 months of no action so he won't be in perfect shape. The players Madrid should be looking out for are James and Lewa.

Neuer is back isn't he?

We can't let this go to penelties

The key battle will be

Casemiro Vs Javi Martinez!!!!

Coman is hurt and won't be back until May.

They play a 433 or 4312 depending...  the width comes from Bernat and Kimmich, the fullbacks.

They honestly set up pretty similarly to us.  They have two striker in Mueller (who is a shell of what he used to be) and Lewa.  Ribery/James supports them from the wide position.  You have two offensive CMs in Vidal and Thiago.  Javi Martinez the holding mid.  Boateng/Hummels are the CBs.

Big thing also is that Neuer is injured as well.

I'm not very concerned here other than complacency.  I think the Juve game beat that out of us.  We're also not going to play Vallejo again hopefully.

We got this.

You make it out as if Juve’s success the other day was all due to Vallejo!

Sure he was a weak spot on the team, at a position for which we had no other alternative, but it is unfair of you to put this all on him. What about Bale? what about Navas? What about Carvajal on Mandu? What about Marcelo being taken to cleaners? What about Varane unable to show some leadership? And why not give Juve some credit for playing a heck of a game exploiting our weaknesses?

Vallejo is likely going out on loan, it wasn’t like there was any choice for Zidane. To put this down to solely him is just wrong!

Vallejo was reliable past the 30 mark. He looked a bit nervous before that but he controlled Higs very well, and in the second half he gained lots of confidence, played some good passes and was consistent. Keep in mind that the last time he stepped foot on a football pitch was in 2017 iirc

Why would he go on loan anyway ? What better defenders are out there willing to play for a 4th spot ?

Val, all the kids are going out on loan (or in the case of Llorente a sale likely) except Theo. Vallejo had this opportunity to show he should stay and although he did keep it simple and held on in 2nd half, it wasn’t enough.

It isn’t a matter of who can replace him (you want someone with experience). Vallejo has talent but he is also showing aspects of injury prone. What he needs is playing time to develop, build confidence and hopefully get rid of the injury prone tag. He can’t do that at Madrid behind Ramos, Varane and Nacho. So a loan deal is best for him and club.

Ez tie, should put our names in the final one time.

Says here, Spain wins CL and EL once again leading to another all Spanish supercup!

Note - UEFA, have updated club coefficients on website today. Spanish clubs occupy 3 of top 4 clubs or 4 of top 6. That is dominance and the final update will only better the dominance!

futbol_bill wrote:Val, all the kids are going out on loan (or in the case of Llorente a sale likely) except Theo. Vallejo had this opportunity to show he should stay and although he did keep it simple and held on in 2nd half, it wasn’t enough.

It isn’t a matter of who can replace him (you want someone with experience). Vallejo has talent but he is also showing aspects of injury prone. What he needs is playing time to develop, build confidence and hopefully get rid of the injury prone tag. He can’t do that at Madrid behind Ramos, Varane and Nacho. So a loan deal is best for him and club.

Kid hasn't even got the chance to show what he can do except for a game against freaking Juve after a 5 months absence. None of the goals were even his fault, Carvajal was in no man's land for the first 2, and Navas scrubbed the third. Last season we won the double with 3 CBs, Pepe was irrelevant. We should develop these young talents, just look at how the likes of Marcelo, Ramos turned out.

Lucas and Asensio should absolutely start, but you guys are so prone to conceding from set pieces. Considering Bayern's giants+James, maybe Bale+Benzema is not such a bad idea.

I'd rather sacrifice our corners than to see those two waste 2 subs. Though if I see Carvajal marking Vidal I am going to fly over there and slap the shit out of ZZ

I hope we get a narrow lead going into the home game. We tend to get complacent when we have a big lead. Though sticking one to Vidal, Muller, Lewa and co will be so satisfying. Together with Barca they are our biggest rivals

Vidal after seeing the draw: Feck yes!!!!

Hope Ronaldo scores an overhead kick and celebrates by taking his shirt off infront of the Bayern bench where Vidals ass will be firmly planted

Edge to Madrid for sure, but I feel as if your midfielders have dropped off in form. ALL OF THEM. I may be wrong, but Modric looks fatigued, Casemiro is losing players left right and center, while Kroos is passing sideways/backwards for days. If they get back in form, Madrid will comfortably win by a 3/4 goal margin.

halamadrid2 wrote:I'd rather sacrifice our corners than to see those two waste 2 subs. Though if I see Carvajal marking Vidal I am going to fly over there and slap the shit out of ZZ

I hope we get a narrow lead going into the home game. We tend to get complacent when we have a big lead. Though sticking one to Vidal, Muller, Lewa and co will be so satisfying. Together with Barca they are our biggest rivals

Vidal after seeing the draw: Feck yes!!!!

Hope Ronaldo scores an overhead kick and celebrates by taking his shirt off infront of the Bayern bench where Vidals ass will be firmly planted

So he's ecstatic about the draw even though he no longer plays regularly and has been relegated to a lifetime of bench-warming? The guy truly has no shame.

I thought he had reached rock-bottom after his shameless dive against us:

But apparently I was wrong and his shamelessness has no limits.

I wouldn't say this will be an easy win, but on paper they are a step below Juve, and they are definitely not better than the Bayern teams we have faced in the past.

I think we should go through, but if we play like we did in the second leg of the Juve tie we will get embarrassed.

vanDEEZ wrote:I wouldn't say this will be an easy win, but on paper they are a step below Juve, and they are definitely not better than the Bayern teams we have faced in the past.

I think we should go through, but if we play like we did in the second leg of the Juve tie we will get embarrassed.

How "on paper" are Bayern a step below Juve?

For me Juve, have been on the rise since Allegri becoming more dynamic, and since Pep, Bayern have been falling becoming more static, their best attackers are aging, they haven't really posed a threat in CL the past few years, they have had the easiest walk to the semi-final, and IMO Juve are just a better team.

Point taken.
Let's see how this match goes

No Vidal in both legs. That's one less threat from set pieces, thank God. Our defenders having their work cut out for them

I'm confident of this tie. I think Vazquez will start

Zidane learned his lesson about how exposable our wings are. His subs showed me that