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Post by Robespierre Mon Sep 26, 2022 7:17 pm

My nightmare.

I'll try to write something once I get over the shock

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Post by Nishankly Mon Sep 26, 2022 9:38 pm

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The word immigrant was not stated once in this speech. Shes mostly railing against woke culture and financial markets (ie economic instability)


They are not as dumb as the American Right.
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Post by Myesyats Mon Sep 26, 2022 11:04 pm

The female mussolini

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Post by Myesyats Tue Sep 27, 2022 7:27 am

I think someone posted she isnt all that so here's her saying that "mussolini was a good politican for every thing he did for the country" obviously the  rhetoric isnt the same as then and there wont be a war over this, but the ideas are still dangerous as ever, this shit always goes in cycles

https://www.lastampa.it/speciale/politica/elezioni-politiche-2022/2022/08/16/video/giorgia_meloni_nel_1996_a_19_anni_mussolini_e_stato_un_buon_politico_il_migliore_degli_ultimi_50_anni-6583305/

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Post by BarrileteCosmico Tue Sep 27, 2022 11:20 pm

Believe it or not she actually has a far more moderate platform than Salvini, whatever her personal opinions. Most Italians think she will not be an Orban.
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Post by Robespierre Fri Sep 30, 2022 12:06 pm

Indeed not .
It Is not more moderate absoutely. Rather same thing.
And a thing , Lega can even be different in other sides. His main problem is that personalizzation of party that rotates around Salvini. But there are Leghist politicians who are more rational (Zaia ).  Other Lega leaders 'd want to change Salvini after this flop but it Is not easy to it due to its statute. In this sense I dare to say that  Lega Is the most "leninist" party in Italy , of course I am Not alking about ideology !!!

Brothers of Italy is same crap both local level that  national
An Italian fascist  goes there mostly more that in Lega also due to political Legacy...
Essentially Brothers of Italy works as a shock absorber.
A fascist recycles himself on Brothers of Italy  , a party that got political legitimacy since 1992 (look at "Svolta di Fiuggi ", while its ancestor, MSI, was exilied from political debate due to fascist legacy......and Brothers of Italy preserved its symbol, tricolor flame..) but at same time it can maintain an ambiguous position on some themes.....

Brothers of Italy  is not more moderate,it is enough to hear that recent discourse made by Meloni during the Vox political rally in Spain
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Just the Meloni staff is more careful to avoid some borderline arguments (but I can assure, their youth basis is fascist. I am within a socialist federation so we comrade "face" them .. not phisically, let's be clear )

In addition to this, another thing that can deceive , give idea that Meloni is more moderate, but no, she is estremist.. is the fact that she 's clearly more prepared that Salvini.
That 's true .
She 's always been in politics , she's a clear and coherent vision ( horrible for me , but she knows what she wants.. while Salvini has not vision, he goes where the wind blows , he copies a bit one a bit another .. but he is very mediocre.

Unlike of Salvini, Meloni is a capable political, that is undeniable, unfortunately she is far right
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Post by BarrileteCosmico Sat Oct 01, 2022 3:29 pm

Thanks Robes, it's good to hear other takes.

As I previously understood it Meloni tries to present herself as more of a "social" right (ie closer to the center), which you can see in her criticism of consumerism in the prior videos posted, whereas Salvini is more your typical xenophobic based platform. She's also promised more of the same in terms of EU, NATO, euro, Ukraine, etc whereas Salvini has closer ties to Putin.
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Post by Robespierre Sat Oct 01, 2022 3:50 pm

Brother of Italy is 100% xenophobic too, just her staff is more careful to show it publicy but well, Meloni is same person that, just some week ago said about immigrants " we need of immigrants ? Take them from Venezuela"

Chilling words, she talks about immigrants as if it's the fish market.

His party is Atlantist 100% anyway.
Even MSI, the post-fascist party in post war was this even though fascism was not Atlantist of course ( I repeat, Brothers of Italy is MSI's heir. Well, Alleanza Nazionale, the  Brother of Italy's ancestor, in 1994 said to deny fascism, look at https://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Svolta_di_Fiuggi..  Basically it's MSI 46-95 , Alleanza Nazionale 95-2009, Fratelli d' Italia 2012 - now . Anyway  you always feel thread of ambiguity in their actions .. and their militants often run into gaffe .. recently a Brother of Italy politician made the Fascist salute.)  while Lega is vague. Atlantist but not Atlantist , and why ?
Because Brother of Italy has a clear vision of the things, (right or wrong, for me very wrong) , Lega is a party led by  alt right populism impersonated by Salvini
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Post by Hapless_Hans Sat Oct 01, 2022 4:35 pm

I'm so sorry @Robespierre, for you, your friends and family, for Italy, for the rest of us. Times are getting darker and darker.
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