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Post by Winter is Coming Fri 14 May - 1:01:19

@The Demon of Carthage wrote:Cas, you really need to grow up and stop labeling everybody a hater just because they don't agree with you. And please stop bringing up the SAF comparison because it's completely ridiculous.

A hater would never say Pep is a very good coach. I literally said I think he's an amazing coach. What more should I say? Drop to my knees and give him head?!

Seriously, he's a very good coach, but he's lacking in certain departments, and that's a fact whether you like it or not. You don't disappear from the CL Winners list for a decade despite spending millions and you expect people not to highlight that fact when he finally comes up after the competition regressed.

He inherited treble-winning Heyneckes' Bayern and he did jack shit with them in the CL. He had a strong enough squad to go toe-to-toe with Ancelotti, yet he bent over backwards and got roflstomped 5-0 on agg. And you have the nerve to ask what he could've done against them? Then he lost to Barça, and then to Atlético, then to Monaco, then to Liverpool, then to Spurs, then to Lyon. I guess he couldn't have done anything against those as well? hein?

And now after everybody has terribly regressed, he finally makes it to the final and we're supposed to give him a standing ovation? Sorry not doing that.



You're exactly proving Cas point here. What team in the CL didn't benefit from either luck or other teams regressing?

Barcelona: In Pep era we were up against Wenger banter Aresnal, Yo-Yo Madrid spending 100s of million to get KO'ed by Lyon and Bayern who were called chokers by many people in that era, the only team I hated facing was Chelsea becuase they were are bogey team and we beat them in 09 with a lot of luck on our side. 2015 we faced City (who in one leg missed Kompany and Aguero), PSG who missed Veratti and Ibra, Bayern who were without Robben, Ribery and lewa was playing with a broken jaw, we had Juve in the final without Chellini.

Real Madrid: 2014 you faced a Bayern team who was on the downward at the point in regressing in CL even under Pep, which followed under Ancelotti and Kovac, it followed by us becoming a meme and choke masters, Juve and Atleti who are European chokers and further teams regressed.

Bayern: 2013 they took on Conte Juve just enetering CL, Wenger Arsenal, Barcelona without a manager, and Dortmund that was the start of Klopp decline with them, 2020, they took us on again chokers, Madrid were declining, City were City, and PSG were PSG.

Yet nothing? And you want to try to use it as some way to put * on Pep City CL campaign? This is Cas point goal post are moving insanely here, every CL team has benefited from teams declining, or simply with some luck be it ref decisions, key players missing, hell even this run of City is married by luck, Dortmund being denied a perfectly legal goal, questionable PK, 2 fluke goals against PSG, Mbappe not 100% in the first leg and missing the second leg, and even if they or Chelsea win the final it'll also be to some decision or one of there players having a brain fart moment.

Personally I'm one of the one that admits Pep can screw up CL ties a lot, however I also feel we do at times exggrate his CL exits, in 2012 Messi missed a vital PK which could've sent him to another CL final, 2016 they had Atleti against ropes, missed a lot of chances and Muller missed a PK, Spurs in 2019, Aguero missed a PK and Laporte made 2 defensive blunders which saw Spurs score 2 goals, hell even Llorente goal scored as a hand ball, but the ref didn't call it. This is exactly how KO rounds work, luck, decision, etc. play a role, when Varane made this mistake last year against City generally people online blamed him called him overrated. Laporte does this, Pep overthinks Laughing Even Lyon game Laporte gifted a goal, one of the goals Laporte was also clipped which should've been a foul, but the ref didn't call it and Lyon scored + Sterling missed a sitter, Pep line up was largely at fault here, but they still could've won this game. It's not surprising Pep benched those 3 and City are in a CL final.

No one is saying get up and give the man a round of appluase who gives a fck about that at the end? How about people just learn to quit moving goal post with these discussion?, he's widely regarded as one of the greatest, by many peers, he is one of the most sought after manager despite his CL showing teams, none of his teams wanted to lose him, even Rummenigge said when told him he's leaving he shed some tears, Bayern players all turned on Carlo and Kovac, so clearly Pep does something right or these management/players don't seem to blame him for all these results, as some people here do.

I don't beleive in the greatest manager in the world or history discussion Pep isn't, Fergie isn't, Mou isn't, etc. no such thing every managers has there own strength and weaknesses and they all will work in different situation, while some won't, its really that simple at the end.

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Post by CBarca Fri 14 May - 3:08:23

Can I ask a simple question?

What manager, other than Zidane, has had any sustained success in the CL in the past decade?

As much as I agree that Pep has been disappointing in the CL in the last decade, that's...umm, the standard treatment for just about any manager. Even the great ones. That's why the UCL is a great competition, and why up until recently no team had ever repeated.

And the crazy thing is, even with the guy who won three in a row, most people here don't even think he's a very good manager. Football is a low scoring game and it gets even tighter in the CL -- it's high variance. Given that the UCL happens once a year, shit happens.

It's why the only manager with and real sustained success is Zidane, and he only started managing in 2016 Laughing

EDIT: Didn't realize Cas has brought up some of these points already. I concur
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Post by Clutch Fri 14 May - 5:26:33

I honestly think that Peps Bayern could've beaten Barca if they had a healthy Robben and Ribery

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Post by Myesyats Fri 14 May - 11:53:09

@CBarca wrote:Can I ask a simple question?

What manager, other than Zidane, has had any sustained success in the CL in the past decade?

And also zidane is considered a bald donkey fraud by most of the members. Mostly by RM fanbase he is named a tactical donkey, just read his sack watch.
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Post by CBarca Sat 15 May - 16:39:03

@Myesyats wrote:
@CBarca wrote:Can I ask a simple question?

What manager, other than Zidane, has had any sustained success in the CL in the past decade?

And also zidane is considered a bald donkey fraud by most of the members. Mostly by RM fanbase he is named a tactical donkey, just read his sack watch.


That's what makes it all even more ridiculous. The only manager who has been consistently successful in the last decade (and for only half of it) is, from all accounts, a tactical donkey.

There are some clubs/managers who have made the CL final a couple times -- Atleti, Barca, Juve -- and yet all of these teams have had pretty embarrassing exits in many of the years that they didn't make it to the finals. Only one of those three clubs has even won in the past decade. The others stumbled at the last step, even if they did get all the way to the final.

The only club other than Madrid that I can think of who has been consistently successful, and without too many embarrassing exits is Bayern. Fair credit to them, but they've also had like, what, 5 or 6 managers in the last decade? When looking at it from the managerial perspective, there isn't one Bayern manager you could point to for achieving consistent CL success.

Pep's UCL exits deserve scrutiny and criticism, I've always said this. However, his exits actually represent the norm and the reality of what success in the UCL looks like for most managers, not any sort of exception. He should be criticized for it, like Conte (although his UCL ability isn't at Conte level, which is a nightmarish record).

It's the final frontier for Pep, obviously. His record in leagues and domestic cups is without question. Can he actually become an exceptional UCL manager instead of blending in with the riff raff of other managers? His problem is that he's always tried too hard to be an exceptional UCL manager instead of just letting his team play. He may have hit a turning point with that this year, based on quotes, but we'll have to see how the rest of his career plays out
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Post by BarrileteCosmico Sat 15 May - 21:01:04

Apparently his daughter is dating Dele Alli. Is this why Mou turned on him?
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Post by RealGunner Sat 15 May - 21:39:59

find it hard to believe
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Post by Doc Sun 16 May - 21:38:27

Pep fans really are a "you're either with me or against me" kind of crowd. Damn. Men out here providing context to his success (which one should do anyway as it is neither a belittlement nor should one just accept things as they are) and it's hateration.

He's a great manager, one of the best in the game but when a club can sign a defender for 80 million (Dias from Benfica) without much fuss to fix their manager's issue or whatever, folks tend to keep things within reason. Well, reasonable folks anyway.
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Post by RealGunner Mon 17 May - 23:14:41

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Post by The Demon of Carthage Mon 17 May - 23:30:57

Out of all Oasis' discography, that's the song they picked? Okay.
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Post by M99 Mon 17 May - 23:39:45

@The Demon of Carthage wrote:Out of all Oasis' discography, that's the song they picked? Okay.


Its one of their most popular.
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Post by The Demon of Carthage Mon 17 May - 23:48:26

No argument there, but it's not really a party song. I thought they would go for something like Bring it on Down or maybe Rock 'n' Roll Star or even Acquiesce.
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Post by Hapless_Hans Tue 18 May - 1:16:01

Almost had to throw up
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Post by CBarca Tue 18 May - 2:03:52

@The Demon of Carthage wrote:No argument there, but it's not really a party song. I thought they would go for something like Bring it on Down or maybe Rock 'n' Roll Star or even Acquiesce.


I'm sure the other UK folk could give a lot more context to this than I could, but in the couple months I spent in the UK at Lancaster Uni, when you heard Oasis at a pre-game, a party, or an after-party, it was always this song. I found it kind of funny, because the only Oasis song that gets played during any sort of drinking in the US is Wonderwall, because it's the most popular.

I found "Don't Look Back in Anger" way preferable to Wonderwall (both in general and to sing while drunk), at least.

But I generally don't like Oasis.

Anyway, that video has converted me. Dude is a bald. fraud.

EDIT: I realize that doesn't really answer your question, but it's already been answered above. Doesn't really matter about the quality of the song to match the mood -- just about how popular it is. It's why Black Eyed Peas still gets "I got a Feeling" played, even though the answer is to play absolutely none of their discography.
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Post by Myesyats Tue 18 May - 11:11:04

Sounds to me like a appropriate song for the theme of the party. Telling your opponents to not look back in anger just because they lost the championship to them.

Besides who doesnt love Pep. People like to pretend that they hate him, but he's a legend on and off the pitch as well it seems.
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Post by Myesyats Tue 18 May - 11:26:11

Good day for Pepophiles all in all
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Post by Arquitecto Tue 18 May - 16:14:01

Pepophobes act like he hasn't been this way for over 20 years.




And then in another era.

https://twitter.com/ESPNUK/status/1067355490949181443

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Post by BarrileteCosmico Tue 18 May - 18:50:25

Laughing Laughing Laughing
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Post by Kaladin Tue 18 May - 22:56:43

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Post by FennecFox7 Wed 19 May - 11:03:53

That game was a horror show by the referee. That’s not really the best time to pull that banter.
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Post by Perucho21 Sat 29 May - 22:56:42

Can I ask a simple question?

Why is the man the biggest fraud of the decade?
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Post by Kaladin Sat 29 May - 22:57:31

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Post by Hapless_Hans Sat 29 May - 22:57:33

rofl rofl rofl





petition to rename thread into

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aye or nay?
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Post by Firenze Sat 29 May - 22:58:17

1 shot on target ffs
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Post by Casciavit Sat 29 May - 23:00:08

Loooool disgraceful ffs rofl
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Post by The Demon of Carthage Sat 29 May - 23:01:07

BALD FRAUD
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