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Post by zigra Fri Aug 04, 2017 8:48 pm

Socur Toxanarosa wrote: Neymar is a once in a lifetime talent, like Messi


You should get off these drugs.

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Post by BarrileteCosmico Fri Aug 04, 2017 9:08 pm

Great Leader Sprucenuce wrote:Also Sports all clubs agree terms before agreeing a fee, it may not be right but it's common practice.


How is it not right? How many of you have switched jobs but gone "you should sort it out with my boss before offering me a contract?"

The expectation that a club should sort it out with the other club first is ridiculous, what if you go through all that effort and the player doesn't even want to move? Laughing
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Post by sportsczy Fri Aug 04, 2017 9:31 pm

It's illegal in football bc.... that's why. It's not illegal in the real world unless your contract says so. Under UEFA rules, however, you may not contact another club's player without the club's consent.
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Post by Casciavit Fri Aug 04, 2017 9:54 pm

It's illegal but that's how almost all the top clubs operate. They talk to the player first and then the club.
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Post by Luca Fri Aug 04, 2017 10:20 pm

I find it really hard to believe that you need the club's consent.

Can anyone provide this rule? I'm very curious as to the language used.

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Post by Great Leader Sprucenuce Fri Aug 04, 2017 10:24 pm

Casciavit wrote:It's illegal but that's how almost all the top clubs operate. They talk to the player first and then the club.


Not just top clubs, but most clubs in general tbh.

It's against the rules in the same way downloading music without paying is illegal.

It's one of those rules that's rarely actually enforced, pretty much every time a player is signed terms are agreed before they even speak to the club.

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Post by sportsczy Fri Aug 04, 2017 10:57 pm

They do it through intermediaries to start for sure... not directly to circumvent the rules. HOWEVER, you don't reach personal terms at that stage lol. You initiate contact with reps through reps to gauge interest. If interest is there and it's serious enough, you then ask the club permission so you can begin direct discussions.

The only time you don't need to follow any protocol really is if there's a release clause. That means you can contact a player any time you want. That's the danger with release clauses. In essence, you can contact any player in La Liga whenever you want as release clauses are mandatory.

I think Barca are too arrogant to understand that they don't have the same privilege in other leagues than they do in La Liga.
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Post by zigra Fri Aug 04, 2017 11:14 pm

blablabla
happens all the time
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Post by BarrileteCosmico Fri Aug 04, 2017 11:47 pm

sportsczy wrote:It's illegal in football bc.... that's why. It's not illegal in the real world unless your contract says so. Under UEFA rules, however, you may not contact another club's player without the club's consent.
If it were illegal clubs would stop transfers on account of 'tapping up'. It's not illegal. It's just a custom.
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Post by guest7 Sun Aug 06, 2017 12:56 pm

Are they getting Coutinho (Iniesta's replacement) and Dembele (Neymar's replacement)?

Paulinho to Barca seems like a done deal too.
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Post by donttreadonred Sun Aug 06, 2017 4:22 pm

sportsczy wrote:They do it through intermediaries to start for sure... not directly to circumvent the rules.  HOWEVER, you don't reach personal terms at that stage lol.  You initiate contact with reps through reps to gauge interest.  If interest is there and it's serious enough, you then ask the club permission so you can begin direct discussions.

The only time you don't need to follow any protocol really is if there's a release clause.  That means you can contact a player any time you want.  That's the danger with release clauses.  In essence, you can contact any player in La Liga whenever you want as release clauses are mandatory.

I think Barca are too arrogant to understand that they don't have the same privilege in other leagues than they do in La Liga.
I'm not intimately familiar with La Liga's rules. I didn't realize that release clauses were mandatory. Is it really that they can discuss personal terms with any player that has a release clause PRIOR to meeting it? In most leagues that would be difficult to gauge, as clubs aren't necessarily required to publicize a player's release clause. Most of what we see in the press is either speculation or briefing by a club to serve their needs (encouraging/discouraging bids, depending on the situation).

As for the rest, you're spot on. Clubs may grant permission to speak to a player at different points based on varying factors. The threshold may be lower due to a good relationship with the buying club, or it may be agreement on basic fee, a need to facilitate a quick deal, etc.

I doubt that Barca are negligent enough to be unaware of other league's rules. It's more a case of other clubs accepting it, as Barca will generally pay the desired fee.
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Post by CBarca Sun Aug 06, 2017 4:41 pm

Sports going over the top trying to make Barca look bad? Stretching the truth?

Why would sports do that?

Zigra said it best

zigra wrote:blablabla
happens all the time

Would love either Dembele or Mbappe. I would prefer Mbappe to get one over on Madrid though tbh. We'll see.
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Post by Myesyats Sun Aug 06, 2017 6:38 pm

guest7 wrote:Paulinho to Barca seems like a done deal too.


Really? I heard we dropped interest in Pauliunho
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Post by guest7 Sun Aug 06, 2017 6:43 pm

http://www.sport.es/es/noticias/barca/barca-por-paulinho-por-seri-6210272

From SPORT
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Post by sportsczy Sun Aug 06, 2017 9:22 pm

Dortmund publicly stated that Barca's 100 mil euro offer for Dembele "not nearly enough."
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Post by Mr Nick09 Sun Aug 06, 2017 10:19 pm

di marzio said they offered 70 mil + bonus

could be done for around 100 mil + bonus maybe

barca have 222 mil + their own budget, they will do it
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Post by sportsczy Tue Aug 08, 2017 5:04 pm

https://www.lequipe.fr/Football/Actualites/Le-barca-est-a-dortmund-pour-ousmane-dembele/824156

A Barca delegation is at Dortmund currently discussing with BVB the transfer of Dembele.

You know, i hate everybody in football. All i ask is that my favorite players not go to Barca. Is that too much to ask ffs.
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Post by Myesyats Tue Aug 08, 2017 6:24 pm

Dembele+Coutinho for Neymar money will be dope :bow:

Great piece of business if happens.
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Post by rincon Tue Aug 08, 2017 6:42 pm

Coutinho must be the most overpriced player in the world.
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Post by Myesyats Tue Aug 08, 2017 6:56 pm

Getting worked up about price tags in 2017  hmm

Sponsorships get bigger, budgets of clubs rise so price tags naturally get higher aswell.

I personally don't give a rats ass anymore about this matter
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Post by nasir6371 Tue Aug 08, 2017 7:19 pm

Dembele will be a good buy, just don't rate Coutinho at all. Not a 100m player or anywhere near it. Hope he stays at liverpool.
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Post by Bankz Tue Aug 08, 2017 7:24 pm

I don't want dembele any close to barca ffs Sad
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Post by nasir6371 Tue Aug 08, 2017 7:30 pm

Bankz don't worry Mbappe is going to City, just waiting on making him the new Face and Sponsor of the City Football Group.
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Post by nasir6371 Thu Aug 10, 2017 1:52 pm

BVB Twitter wrote:Bosz: "Ousmane Dembele was not in training today. We do not know why. We tried to reach him but we did not."

Done Dealio
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Post by Nishankly Thu Aug 10, 2017 1:55 pm

nasir6371 wrote:Dembele will be a good buy, just don't rate Coutinho at all. Not a 100m player or anywhere near it. Hope he stays at liverpool.


Funny he absolutely destroys you everytime we play each other. So much salt.
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Post by nasir6371 Thu Aug 10, 2017 2:00 pm

@Nishankly, Coutinho would warm the bench at City. How can one be salty about a player I don't rate, want, nor be starter for City?

Who would he start over? KdB Laughing D. Silva Laughing Doesn't have the qualities that Pep likes in a Winger.
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