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Post by sportsczy Wed Nov 03, 2021 5:35 am

I mean seriously.

Messi has Mbappe, Neymar, Di Maria and Icardi to help him on the attack...  Verratti, Gueye, Wijnaldum and Perreira in midfield...  Hakimi, Marquinhos, Kimbembe and Mendez on defense... and Navas/D-man as keepers.

How many Man U players even make the PSG squad?  Varane, Pogba, Bruno Fernandez and CR.  I'm not even talking about starting.

EPL >>> Ligue 1 too.

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Post by sportsczy Wed Nov 03, 2021 5:37 am

That said, it's very early days for Messi. We'll see come end of the year. I really like Messi's attitude. No doubt the guy is a team player.
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Post by El Gunner Wed Nov 03, 2021 7:54 am

clutchest player of his generation

never better than Messi, pls stop forcing this stupid conversation
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Post by BarcaLearning Wed Nov 03, 2021 11:52 am

Greatest scorer n clutcher of all time, he really is amazing in that regard at times Razz A goal machine... But still no where near as good as Messi Razz
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Post by BarcaLearning Mon Nov 15, 2021 4:20 pm

Not watched the qualifiers lately at all, but just saw the headlines, n cant find the right thread in NT section so I'd post here, n had to cos CR cried again? Very Happy Very Happy Very Happy

Whats with the Kommander being a cry baby and drama queen again? Hes like nearing 40 n nothing changed? Very Happy

Seriously though, fine margin n bad luck. Portugal lose our to Serbia which had the luck of CR's good goal ruled out when they played each other. Amazing drama again... and so now we might see a repeat of playoff Portugal vs Sweden, CR vs Ibra again? Or is Ibra retired for the NT?
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Post by farfan Mon Nov 15, 2021 4:44 pm

You really are just a more polite Harmonica without the statistical knowledge Laughing

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Post by Harmonica Mon Nov 15, 2021 5:32 pm

Myesyats wrote:slavic people be like

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Post by Mamad Mon Nov 15, 2021 8:11 pm

I have never seen a player going full ghost mode the full 90 minutes like this.

he probably is the most clutch player ever. great goalscorer. but when he doesn't score he has zero contribution in the games it is not acceptable for someone claiming to be the goat.
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Post by Cruijf Tue Nov 16, 2021 2:03 am

Ronaldo flopping against Serbia and Ireland and people have the audacity to claim Messi has it easy at international level Laughing
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Post by neuro11 Tue Nov 16, 2021 9:24 am

Ronaldo fume at coach Santos as Portugal misses out on automatic qualification. Such a pussy this guy is. Would be fun to see him getting kicked out in the playoffs.

https://www.goal.com/en/news/watch-ronaldo-fume-coach-santos-portugal-qualification-2022/blt6d3d0d3ff699c90b

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Post by farfan Tue Nov 16, 2021 10:55 am

Cruijf wrote:Ronaldo flopping against Serbia and Ireland and people have the audacity to claim Messi has it easy at international level Laughing


Is that what the claim is? last I checked, it was simply that his international career has been relatively meh compared to his club level/achievements.
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Post by farfan Tue Nov 16, 2021 10:58 am

neuro11 wrote:Ronaldo fume at coach Santos as Portugal misses out on automatic qualification. Such a pussy this guy is. Would be fun to see him getting kicked out in the playoffs.

https://www.goal.com/en/news/watch-ronaldo-fume-coach-santos-portugal-qualification-2022/blt6d3d0d3ff699c90b


99% of Portugal is behind him.

In what world is standing up to a clueless coach who's wasting a golden generation being a pussy?
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Post by Mamad Tue Nov 16, 2021 11:26 am

farfan wrote:
Cruijf wrote:Ronaldo flopping against Serbia and Ireland and people have the audacity to claim Messi has it easy at international level Laughing


Is that what the claim is? last I checked, it was simply that his international career has been relatively meh compared to his club level/achievements.


I think that's a myth to be honest. he has been great at international level.

won the olympic while being best player at the tournament. if i'm not mistaken he has reached 3 copa finals being his teams best player in all of them. also won 2 copa best player of the tournament awards.
has reached world cup final and named best player of the world cup.
he is the top scorer in argentina's history. will end up with more goals for NT than Maradona and Batistuta combined and atleast third best NT goalscorer of all time.

so how is that meh? i never understand how people judge a player with what his team has won. for me it does not work like that.
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Post by El Gunner Tue Nov 16, 2021 11:28 am

Messi has been great for Argentina... haters just try their best to put down greatness
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Post by farfan Tue Nov 16, 2021 12:46 pm

How is it meh you ask? let's see:

- Not even in the top 30 of all-time scorers in the world cup despite playing 4 tournaments.
- Has less world cup goals than Gyan fucking Asamoah...in more games.
- 0 goals in the world cup KO stages.
- 0 goals in 4 major international finals.
- Not even in the top 5 of all time Copa America goalscorers...despite playing more games than anyone in the tournament's history.

That's a bit light for the consensus GOAT, don't you think? what are his historical individual moments with Argentina? A group stage goal against mighty Nigeria? A hatrick against Ecuador in some random WC qualifier? So far his greatest achievement with the team has been longevity.
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Post by El Gunner Tue Nov 16, 2021 3:44 pm

^^See that constant nitpicking at trying to bring down greatness. Sure he may not have his usual otherwordly numbers in the world cup, but who has? Not everything is explained by stats. It's all about context context context. Also his crowning achievement for Argentina has to be winning world cup player of the tournament 2014, right?

Also a quick google search shows me that both he and Gyan have 6 world cup goals? so why are you lying? While the all-time great world cup performer Maradona has 8. Just two more Laughing are we really gunna go off that extent of statistical scrutiny Laughing i just find this negative nitpicking so stupid and unnecessary, do better @farfan
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Post by BarcaLearning Tue Nov 16, 2021 4:55 pm

farfan, not picking a fight but u clearly trying too hard? Very Happy Typical GL poster, black or white n nothing in between Razz
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Post by BarcaLearning Tue Nov 16, 2021 4:57 pm

Football is strange though, Portugal wins the Euro 16 with a comparatively meh team with the likes of Nani? And flopping with this current loaded team... same coach.
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Post by farfan Tue Nov 16, 2021 5:17 pm

In my defense, I've been regurgitating that Asamoah stat since 2014 Laughing totally forgot about 2018. It's still not a good look for the GOAT to have a lower goal-to-game ratio than someone like Gyan.

And where is the nitpicking? goals are the most basic and straightforward stat we can use to assess forwards. His lack of KO stages and final goals is damning, and so is his overall low-scoring output. Even his assist tally is nothing to write home about as he averages about 1 measly assist per WC despite playing with some of the finest CFs of this generation.

The irony is that you want us to ignore all of this and use a completely subjective glorified popularity context as an indicator of greatness Laughing he wasn't the best player in 2014 and you know it, the same way Kahn wasn't in 2002 and even Modric in 2018 if we're being honest. These awards have always been narrative-driven, with prospective owners picked ahead of time provided they reach the advanced stages. I vividly remember the hype around Kahn in 2002 and the talks of him being the likely winner before the group stages ended. Germany didn't face a single live body on route to the easiest final of all time...where Kahn proceeded to lay an egg and cost them the game. The real MVPs of that WC were Ronaldo and Rivaldo and it wasn't particularly close.  

And I ask you once again, what were Messi's decisive individual moments with Argentina? According to his fans, it's Higuain missing sitters. Laughing
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Post by Mamad Tue Nov 16, 2021 6:31 pm

And where is the nitpicking? goals are the most basic and straightforward stat we can use to assess forwards

So Thumas Mueller and Miroslav Klose has been better players than Maradona at world cups. more goals. right?


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Post by Mamad Tue Nov 16, 2021 6:33 pm

I guess Lukaku is better than R9 too. overall better stats for NT.

and the fact that you think Messi was playing as forward for Argentina :facepalm:  . he was at the middle of the pitch all the time trying to create.
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Post by FennecFox7 Tue Nov 16, 2021 6:49 pm

I don’t even bother with messi fans Farfan. You can’t reason with them. They’re delusional.

Ronaldo has his deficiencies, but as soon as you point out messi’s it’s a problem. They’re literally children. I mean you made a well thought out post and all Mamad had to point out is “hurr durr, lukaku is better then R9” like really dude?

Imagine mamad being a messi fan. That dude is smoking good crack year round.

Ronaldo is 37 and somehow he’s being judged like he’s in his prime. While messi comes to PSG out of shape, injured, and plays horribly, “give him time, he needs to settle in”

I’m fucking done man.
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Post by FennecFox7 Tue Nov 16, 2021 6:51 pm

Messi turns over the ball MUCH more then maradona.. he is a liability at CAM and also has zero off the ball movement.. you can’t lose the ball 100 times a game and have teams built around you but say you had a good game cause you made 3 of the same cross field passes to the left back. It doesn’t work that way.

Go back to your thread. There’s a messi thread where you can circle jerk. Last I checked this is a CR thread.
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Post by Kebab Tue Nov 16, 2021 7:24 pm

He should be compared to Lewandowski not to Messi. The guy does nothing when he doesnt score. Its actually laughable to call him GOAT or something similar. And yes M.United was better without him last year. Juventus was better before him too. Its like teams try to make him hero and suffer themselves
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Post by El Gunner Tue Nov 16, 2021 7:43 pm

@farfan so pls tell me who clearly performed better than Messi in the 2014 WC?

@FFox Mamad is only using @farfan's stupid logic against him. Sure, Messi isn't perfect. He won't own every stat in the world. But bringing up those stats makes it feel like you want him to be perfect - you expect perfection from him. Being the GOAT doesn't mean perfection, artists aren't perfect - they dazzle and amaze with what they have to offer, they show you stuff that you have never seen before. Ali never went undefeated. Michael Jordan needed Scottie Pippen and Phil Jackson etc etc etc.
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Post by M99 Tue Nov 16, 2021 8:21 pm

neuro11 wrote:Ronaldo fume at coach Santos as Portugal misses out on automatic qualification. Such a pussy this guy is. Would be fun to see him getting kicked out in the playoffs.

https://www.goal.com/en/news/watch-ronaldo-fume-coach-santos-portugal-qualification-2022/blt6d3d0d3ff699c90b


Ronaldo did not lash out at Santos, he complained to him about the disallowed goal against Serbia in a previous match. Santos said this himself. Messi fanboys really are hilarious digging up every little thing to shit on Ronaldo/Lewandowski/Neymar/Mbappe, false or otherwise.
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