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Post by Warrior on Sun Sep 13, 2020 6:37 pm

Ah i see, he's decent but not great ?

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Post by VivaStPauli on Sun Sep 13, 2020 6:50 pm

Hugely overrated, and spelled "Kia", both of those, yes.
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Post by Kick on Mon Sep 14, 2020 7:17 am

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Post by Hapless_Hans on Mon Sep 14, 2020 10:39 am

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Post by Hapless_Hans on Tue Sep 15, 2020 8:14 am

Think his Özilian "body language" will make him a target in the English public in no time
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Post by Robespierre on Tue Sep 15, 2020 9:44 am

He'd been pocketed without problem from Inter defence (despite a goal, a bit randomic) on that Europa League knock-out. Anyway I remember same thing for Hazard in Lille times and that is the best omen possible for a Chelsea fan
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Post by Katy Perry on Wed Sep 16, 2020 1:35 pm

Shouldn't read much into the game, but it was a very disappointing debut from him ngl. I get it that it was still a debut and that he was out of position, but part of the appeal of his signing was that he's supposed to be able to play everywhere upfront.

James's performance in a very similar circumstance was absolutely brilliant for example. The Everton players did play through him a lot though, which wasn't the case with Kai. And Brighton is possibly a harder opponent that Spurs right now.
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Post by Arquitecto on Wed Sep 16, 2020 3:04 pm

Those are two very different players, Katy.

James is proven playmaker whereas Kai cannot have a team built around himself per say given he is more a multi-purpose player, despite his general impressive vision.

I feel Lampard may use that versatility of his to his advantage but possibly the detriment of Havertz? How? Some managers abuse a players versatility for their tactics and leave the player with little identity.


Either way looking as bad as he did is not a bad sign for never have I seen him perform this badly. Just clearly overawed by the occasion.
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Post by VivaStPauli on Wed Sep 16, 2020 8:07 pm

I also never found Havertz to be all that great on the wings, did all of his best work in the center, for ages now...
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Post by BarrileteCosmico on Thu Sep 17, 2020 12:40 am

Apparently Lampard wants him to "Get used to the PL" in the wings and then move him to the center

How did this fraud finish 3rd? Laughing
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Post by iftikhar on Thu Sep 17, 2020 6:11 pm

@BarrileteCosmico wrote:Apparently Lampard wants him to "Get used to the PL" in the wings and then move him to the center

How did this fraud finish 3rd? Laughing
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Post by VivaStPauli on Fri Sep 18, 2020 9:54 am

@BarrileteCosmico wrote:Apparently Lampard wants him to "Get used to the PL" in the wings and then move him to the center

How did this fraud finish 3rd? Laughing


That sounds blatantly insane, what even is the logic behind that?
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Post by Helmer on Fri Sep 18, 2020 3:01 pm

@VivaStPauli wrote:
@BarrileteCosmico wrote:Apparently Lampard wants him to "Get used to the PL" in the wings and then move him to the center

How did this fraud finish 3rd? Laughing


That sounds blatantly insane, what even is the logic behind that?

I would just sit still, wait long enough and watch how Havertz will be a great player for Chelsea for years to come Laughing

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Post by Doc on Sat Sep 19, 2020 7:44 pm

@BarrileteCosmico wrote:Apparently Lampard wants him to "Get used to the PL" in the wings and then move him to the center

How did this fraud finish 3rd? Laughing

4th tbh
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Post by Mr Nick09 on Tue Sep 22, 2020 1:31 pm

Let’s keep updating this thread

2 games 2 flops without showing even a little bit of elite talent. Ok.
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Post by VivaStPauli on Tue Sep 22, 2020 2:31 pm

Was he on the wings again versus Liverpool, or did he get to play his position?

Future free transfer flop?
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Post by El Gunner on Tue Sep 22, 2020 3:45 pm

started out on the wing, then was moved on to a false 9 position very early on
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Post by RealGunner on Sat Dec 12, 2020 10:22 pm

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Post by Firenze on Sun Dec 13, 2020 12:44 am

change thread title to next Marko Marin, as predicted
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Post by Mr Nick09 on Sun Dec 13, 2020 4:47 am

Is he playing that bad? Shocking
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Post by Hapless_Hans on Sun Dec 13, 2020 9:18 am

Mega Flop
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Post by El Gunner on Sun Dec 13, 2020 10:08 am

not only is he flopping hard out there, but it constantly looks like he is in need of a bloody meat steak and he can't take any sunlight
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Post by Kaladin on Sun Dec 13, 2020 12:20 pm

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Post by Mr Nick09 on Sun Dec 13, 2020 1:43 pm

This is the risk of signing young players who are specialist in their roles and have complete freedom in their previous clubs. They go to bigger clubs where 1) that freedom doesn’t exist 2) there is competition, 3) they don’t necessarily play the same role/position and they struggle. Very similar to Joao Felix
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Post by Casciavit on Sun Dec 13, 2020 1:50 pm

@Mr Nick09 wrote:This is the risk of signing young players who are specialist in their roles and have complete freedom in their previous clubs. They go to bigger clubs where 1) that freedom doesn’t exist 2) there is competition, 3) they don’t necessarily play the same role/position and they struggle. Very similar to Joao Felix


I don't get why top teams would sign these 9.5's knowing fully well they are really only at their best behind the CF, and you don't get half the impact from them by playing them as wingers or CM's.

It's mind boggling.
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Post by Hapless_Hans on Sun Dec 13, 2020 3:30 pm

@Casciavit wrote:
@Mr Nick09 wrote:This is the risk of signing young players who are specialist in their roles and have complete freedom in their previous clubs. They go to bigger clubs where 1) that freedom doesn’t exist 2) there is competition, 3) they don’t necessarily play the same role/position and they struggle. Very similar to Joao Felix


I don't get why top teams would sign these 9.5's knowing fully well they are really only at their best behind the CF, and you don't get half the impact from them by playing them as wingers or CM's.

It's mind boggling.


Bosz played Havertz as CM along with Brandt and it was Havertz breakout season.
The position argument is misleading. The right argument is role and expectations.
Havertz wasn't ready to be main man at a  big club and he isn't the player to give the impression he's running things, which was always going to hurt him in an England that never understood what was Özil about even after season on season of top chance creation.
He should have joined Bayern next summer as Müller understudy. That would have been best.
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