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Post by Freeza on Thu May 07, 2020 10:13 pm

"woke game with political agenda" lol

Yeah who new an apocalyptic work of fiction would be about politics Laughing

All fucking fantasy and sci-fi works are political. And if they're not, then they're a waste of time really.

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Post by Thimmy on Thu May 07, 2020 10:19 pm

@danyjr wrote:People have cancelled their pre-orders.

Woke game with political agenda. Game director is a hyper-feminist (Anita Sarkeesian)

Sounds like I'll be missing out on this cuck-friendly game.


Wow, how the hell did Anita Sarkeesian become the friggin director behind this game? This is surreal. I’m genuinely having second thoughts about getting this game now. She’s a shameless liar with highly questionable morals, who would go to great lengths just to gain a little bit of public attention. One of few public figures I have absolutely no respect for. She’s either completely insane, or so obsessed with money that she’d go so far as to build her life on a lie for the sake of generating some.

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Post by Freeza on Thu May 07, 2020 10:21 pm

@Thimmy wrote:
@danyjr wrote:People have cancelled their pre-orders.

Woke game with political agenda. Game director is a hyper-feminist (Anita Sarkeesian)

Sounds like I'll be missing out on this cuck-friendly game.


Wow, how the hell did Anita Sarkeesian become the friggin director behind this game? This is surreal. I’m genuinely having second thoughts about getting this game now. She’s a shameless liar with highly questionable morals, who would go to great lengths just to gain a little bit of public attention. One of few public figures I have absolutely no respect for. She’s either completely insane, or so obsessed with money that she’d go so far as to build her life on a lie for the sake of generating some.


She isn't lol.

She critiqued the game in 2013 and Gamergaters give her the blame for everything.


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Post by danyjr on Thu May 07, 2020 10:34 pm

My bad, I read the passage wrong.
Plot spoilers aren’t typically a driving factor for video gamers to decide not to buy a particular game. But the plot of The Last Of Us 2 has apparently been injected with copious amounts of virtue signaling and “woke culture.” The game’s director, Neil Druckmann, has publicly stated he’d had an “awakening” about the inherent misogyny in video games, inspired by hyper-feminist YouTuber Anita Sarkeesian, and has used his position as the game’s director to put this viewpoint front-and-center in the game’s plot.
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Post by Great Leader Sprucenuce on Thu May 07, 2020 10:35 pm

Even if that were the case, imagine overreacting to something without actually playing the game lol.

People need to learn you can never fully comprehend how a game is without playing it. There is no amount of footage which can replicate playing a game and experiencing it for yourself.
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Post by Freeza on Thu May 07, 2020 10:42 pm

Also regarding politics.

Modern Zombies were literally created as a political allegory.

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Post by Great Leader Sprucenuce on Thu May 07, 2020 10:44 pm

The whole politics argument is weird, the best games ever are inherently political.

People are in for a rude awakening when Cyberpunk comes out if this bothers them Laughing
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Post by Freeza on Thu May 07, 2020 10:45 pm

@Great Leader Sprucenuce wrote:The whole politics argument is weird, the best games ever are inherently political.

People are in for a rude awakening when Cyberpunk comes out if this bothers them Laughing


People complaining about politics in good fiction are too dumb to comprehend subtext in any form lol


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Post by danyjr on Thu May 07, 2020 10:51 pm

The problem lies when the politics steer the direction of the plot away from a a creative plot to a political message. It is actually trying to please a certain loud minority instead of making something original.

Don't get me wrong, if your masculinity is so fragile that if you feel insecure playing as a lesbian girl, you got bigger problems than being an incel. I'm not talking about these critics.

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Post by Freeza on Thu May 07, 2020 10:59 pm

The political message always came before the plot in the zombie genre. That was the whole fucking point of those monsters. They’re a tool to explain a political problem to the masses.

Any George Romero movie makes that perfectly clear.
And not only was he political, he was very progressive in those politics.

But apparently these dudes know more about the genre than the guy who created it.

"If there's something I'd like to criticize, I can bring the zombies out," Romero once said during a Time magazine interview in 2010. "I get the financing that way. So I've been able to express my political views through those films." And that he did.

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Post by Arquitecto on Thu May 07, 2020 11:44 pm

@danyjr wrote:The problem lies when the politics steer the direction of the plot away from a a creative plot to a political message. It is actually trying to please a certain loud minority instead of making something original.

Don't get me wrong, if your masculinity is so fragile that if you feel insecure playing as a lesbian girl, you got bigger problems than being an incel. I'm not talking about these critics.



This. The problem isn't politics its when a media content is preaching it and almost forcing you to consider that said agenda. The best fiction or media has greys within them and lets you decide. I understand it is the right of the designer/director to express themselves but once again is not necessary unless the message is actually effective. Nothing Sarkeesian says is nor ever will be given her radical perspective on things.


The complaint should not be geared toward SJW politics it would be just as annoying if it were on the right side of the scale in some Libertarian or fascist theme.


But given it is accepted to be Lesbian by now it should make no difference to anyone. As mole pointed out her preference was uncovered in the first game.

Its not like Joel was a prancing rainbow coloured queer but instead a gruff pillar of masculinity.


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Post by Freeza on Thu May 07, 2020 11:59 pm

@Arquitecto wrote:
@danyjr wrote:The problem lies when the politics steer the direction of the plot away from a a creative plot to a political message. It is actually trying to please a certain loud minority instead of making something original.

Don't get me wrong, if your masculinity is so fragile that if you feel insecure playing as a lesbian girl, you got bigger problems than being an incel. I'm not talking about these critics.



This. The problem isn't politics its when a media content is preaching it and almost forcing you to consider that said agenda. The best fiction or media has greys within them and lets you decide. I understand it is the right of the designer/director to express themselves but once again is not necessary unless the message is actually effective. Nothing Sarkeesian says is nor ever will be given her radical perspective on things.


The complaint should not be geared toward SJW politics it would be just as annoying if it were on the right side of the scale in some Libertarian or fascist theme.


But given it is accepted to be Lesbian by now it should make no difference to anyone. As mole pointed out her preference was uncovered in the first game.

Its not like Joel was a prancing rainbow coloured queer but instead a gruff pillar of masculinity.



You do realise she has nothing to do with the game, right?

Also, being Lesbian is accepted now partly because of it being normalised through fiction through many years.

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Post by M99 on Fri May 08, 2020 12:24 am

Why the f would Anita be a game director rofl Like Naughty Dog hired her and instantly promoted her to director for their biggest game despite her having zero experience in game development Laughing Its Druckmann's project through and through. Goddamn these incels, this is probably gonna be this year's Brie Larson for them.

Also games are a form of art and like books, movies, TV shows, game creators can use their art as political commentary. Houser brothers satirize American culture and capitalism with GTA. You wanna tell me Ken Levine's BioShock games did not deal with anything political? And don't get me started on Kojima. Druckmann is no different. All he said was he agreed with Anita on there being too many straight white Christian males as main video game characters and everyone started crying. Get a grip ffs.

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Post by Arquitecto on Fri May 08, 2020 12:25 am

@Freeza wrote:
@Arquitecto wrote:
@danyjr wrote:The problem lies when the politics steer the direction of the plot away from a a creative plot to a political message. It is actually trying to please a certain loud minority instead of making something original.

Don't get me wrong, if your masculinity is so fragile that if you feel insecure playing as a lesbian girl, you got bigger problems than being an incel. I'm not talking about these critics.



This. The problem isn't politics its when a media content is preaching it and almost forcing you to consider that said agenda. The best fiction or media has greys within them and lets you decide. I understand it is the right of the designer/director to express themselves but once again is not necessary unless the message is actually effective. Nothing Sarkeesian says is nor ever will be given her radical perspective on things.


The complaint should not be geared toward SJW politics it would be just as annoying if it were on the right side of the scale in some Libertarian or fascist theme.


But given it is accepted to be Lesbian by now it should make no difference to anyone. As mole pointed out her preference was uncovered in the first game.

Its not like Joel was a prancing rainbow coloured queer but instead a gruff pillar of masculinity.



You do realise she has nothing to do with the game, right?

Also, being Lesbian is accepted now partly because of it being normalised through fiction through many years.



Nowhere do I mention her part in the game the comment is directed to her alone regardless of what part she has played in the production of the game.


The second statement is my exact point. It isn't or shouldn't be anything really to think much of. Some people simply do not want the change of status quo.

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Post by Freeza on Fri May 08, 2020 12:37 am

I understand it is the right of the designer/director to express themselves but once again is not necessary unless the message is actually effective. Nothing Sarkeesian says is nor ever will be given her radical perspective on things.
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That comment pretty much infers her being involved.

I don't see the point of mentioning her in the post if you aren't trying to imply her involvement.


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Post by Arquitecto on Fri May 08, 2020 12:39 am

If we are being technical here then its in response to the sub-topic above between you and Thimmy I should have quoted.


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Post by Freeza on Fri May 08, 2020 12:39 am

@M99 wrote:Why the f would Anita be a game director rofl Like Naughty Dog hired her and instantly promoted her to director for their biggest game despite her having zero experience in game development Laughing Its Druckmann's project through and through. Goddamn these incels, this is probably gonna be this year's Brie Larson for them.

Also games are a form of art and like books, movies, TV shows, game creators can use their art as political commentary. Houser brothers satirize American culture and capitalism with GTA. You wanna tell me Ken Levine's BioShock games did not deal with anything political? And don't get me started on Kojima. Druckmann is no different. All he said was he agreed with Anita on there being too many straight white Christian males as main video game characters and everyone started crying. Get a grip ffs.


There's no point in arguing this apparently. Still can't believe DanyJR though Sarkeesian was a game director rofl

Also that outrage seems weird when he's said she opened his eyes to something 5 years ago that implemented in Uncharted 4. Don't know why it's a problem now.


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Post by BarrileteCosmico on Fri May 08, 2020 1:00 am

@danyjr wrote:
@BarrileteCosmico wrote:
@danyjr wrote:People have cancelled their pre-orders.

Woke game with political agenda. Game director is a hyper-feminist (Anita Sarkeesian)

Sounds like I'll be missing out on this cuck-friendly game.

I think they cancelled the pre-orders because (according to the leaks) the story sucks, not because of some "cuck-friendly agenda" (whatever that means...). I've gone from day 1 to reviews just because of the negative rumors, but couldn't care less if the protagonist is a lesbian and I don't see why anyone should.
I don't care if she is a lesbian either. I am just telling you what I've read without reading spoilers.
Seems to me like you're not giving the game a fair chance by already making up your mind about it. Leaks could be misleading, or they could not be, we won't know until the game is out. Until then saying things like "I already know I won't enjoy it as much" seems a bit much to me personally.

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Post by Thimmy on Fri May 08, 2020 1:10 am

@Freeza wrote:
@Thimmy wrote:
@danyjr wrote:People have cancelled their pre-orders.

Woke game with political agenda. Game director is a hyper-feminist (Anita Sarkeesian)

Sounds like I'll be missing out on this cuck-friendly game.


Wow, how the hell did Anita Sarkeesian become the friggin director behind this game? This is surreal. I’m genuinely having second thoughts about getting this game now. She’s a shameless liar with highly questionable morals, who would go to great lengths just to gain a little bit of public attention. One of few public figures I have absolutely no respect for. She’s either completely insane, or so obsessed with money that she’d go so far as to  build her life on a lie for the sake of generating some.


She isn't lol.

She critiqued the game in 2013 and Gamergaters give her the blame for everything.



I’ve heard about Gamergate, but it went over my head at the time when it was occuring, and I haven’t been interested enough to read up on it. Anita Sarkeesian’s activities have come to my attention every once in a while. Her sensible, political arguments in regard to feminism... make sense, but they don’t generate anywhere near the same level of views that her pointlessly aggressive and conflict seeking alter ego creates.

She seems fairly intelligent, and some of her feministic arguments actually make sense, but those seem to only be sprinkles in her highly cynical, political universe that, to me, seems to be driven by her feeding into what her most hardcore, feminist fans want to hear, like her lashing out on men for being men, or somehow proving that there’s misogyny in everything.

I watched one or two of her videos a few years back, and she seemed comparatively calm and sensible in those, compared to the often aggressive and irrational persona that she’s been displaying in other contexts. It’s clear to me that her position as a feminist symbol is nothing but a farce that she uses to generate controversy, and in turn popularity, rather than fighting for equality or something she wholeheartedly believes in.

I clicked on one of her social media accounts after reading a controversial comment she made on an online forum, and it had a large banner in the background with the statement, «I hate men». I don’t know how anyone can preach about equality, yet endorse a statement like that. She’s claimed several times to be a «lifelong gamer», yet a video emerged from a school where she held a presentation when she was in her 20s, and she herself reveals in that video, that she’d only just gotten into gaming for the purpose of her study. She reeks of insincerity and deceit. I don’t understand how anyone can take her seriously.

That said, it’s definitely a great thing that she didn’t direct this game. That made absolutely no sense when I read it, and I have no doubt that she would’ve used that position for her own good, rather than for the sake of creating the best possible game. I don’t mind feminist politics in games, as long as it feels organic and doesn’t take away from the quality, and she’s clearly not in the business of wanting anything to go smoothly. When things go smoothly, she earns less money.

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Post by Myesyats on Fri May 08, 2020 1:14 pm

My mate just texted me he's also canceling the pre-order but only because of the fact that otherwise he won't be able to make the rent rofl
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Post by danyjr on Fri May 08, 2020 1:45 pm

Where does he live? Help him out innit.

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Post by Myesyats on Fri May 08, 2020 3:01 pm

I did, he's now jobless due to Covid and I even offered him a job but he lives in a different town and doesnt want to move. I live in the countryside in between the city where he lives and the city where I work.
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Post by danyjr on Fri May 08, 2020 3:50 pm

I share my PS account with my cousin. We basically got one account where everything is bought online on PSN so accessible from different consoles anywhere. Also he lives in Argentina so we're on different times and usually out of each other's ways when we want to play.

You could share your account with your friend, he can play games while you're working Very Happy

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Post by Myesyats on Fri May 08, 2020 6:21 pm

I work mostly on weekends only and tbh I don't game that much either so he'd have no use of my account
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Post by M99 on Thu May 28, 2020 2:10 am

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Post by Great Leader Sprucenuce on Thu May 28, 2020 2:12 pm

Gameplay looks a lot better than the original.
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