Re: The European Super League Megathread

by sportsczy Thu Apr 22, 2021 6:31 pm

futbol_bill wrote:Hell no, most were started in 20s or 30s.

Not the revenue sharing + players unions. The common revenues started in the early 90s for the NFL and similar in other leagues. The player drafts became a thing in the 70s.

Are you saying that this is ok because it was a similar model to the US sports system in the 20s? And that's fine because the environment back then is comparable to today?? Come on man. Apples and oranges to the extreme.

by futbol_bill Thu Apr 22, 2021 6:35 pm

No I’m saying this super League or the UEFA proposal will evolve just like the American sports entertainment business has.

by sportsczy Thu Apr 22, 2021 6:44 pm

This is just crazy talk bill.

You want Europe to implement a system the was devised pre 1980s in the US.... in a completely different world in every which way... that has no basis in the reality today and hope that it catches up with the times?

That's your argument??

by futbol_bill Thu Apr 22, 2021 6:57 pm

I’m not arguing. Your initial statement was any comparison of Super league (or UEFA proposal) to American Sports teams was not valid and I was saying your facts on those teams was not correct, rather it was the same idea of a small group of owners starting a closed club!

I am simply presenting (acknowledging an unpopular opinion) a different viewpoint on what this Super League (or UEFA proposal) will end up being. I stress it was an opening poorly explained power play and that there will be negotiations and changes before this does get implemented.

On a side note, most of what you are referring to in America can never occur here for a variety of reasons, most notably revenue sharing, which is the prime reason for the inequities you all keep referring to.

by Great Leader Sprucenuce Thu Apr 22, 2021 7:09 pm

I've said this already but comparing them both being closed leagues is incredibly skin deep comparison and ignores all naunce around the comparison and other aspects which don't apply.

I won't go further on it tho as Sports already has.

by farfan Thu Apr 22, 2021 7:24 pm

https://www.forbes.com/sites/steveprice/2020/12/21/gianni-infantinos-african-super-league-plan-and-the-many-problems-it-faces/?sh=dc9c2d16e19d

Didn't realize FIFA was working on an African Super League with...20 permanent "big" clubs. Laughing

by sportsczy Thu Apr 22, 2021 7:46 pm

Not to mention the galactico model was CREATED by Florentino Trump. He's the one that overpayed players to create super teams during the galactico era.

The fact that his Real Madrid cannot afford his own self-inflicted galactico model BECAUSE the other teams in the world have caught up to Real Madrid in terms of spending power AND trying to break the European football model to curb this trend is the absolute height of hypocrisy.

Spend what you can afford! How's that for an economic model.

F off Flo.

by CBarca Thu Apr 22, 2021 8:43 pm

How about if you admire the model of the NBA you actually institute it?

ESL probably would have fared differently if a major aspect of it was revenue sharing, salary caps, a draft lottery, players unions and more...but it didn't. Do I think that version of the ESL would have fared well? No. But it's coherent at least. The ESL as it was proposed was a money grab, pure and simple. It was "we are suffering and want more money and fuck you. Btw fuck you again"

by Robespierre Fri Apr 23, 2021 5:28 am

Well yes, I am glad that Super-league's jumped , but we have not forget how is UEFA a shame and Ceferin is a disgrace

We are talking about same man who wanted to force Getafe to go in Milano for EL match when Milano was the pandemic outbreak , or he let Liverpool fans going to Madrid for that CL match - when Covid was a reality in Europe.

Exactly for .. money. Because UEFA , such as FIFA, is based on power and money. Not differently from those clubs.

S wrote:
UEFA president Aleksander Čeferin gave himself a £400,000 pay-rise during the pandemic. And since his election as president, he has upped his salary every single year except one.

He now earns around £1.9m-a-year, compared to £1.5m the previous year.

(Source: @voz_populi) pic.twitter.com/AL6Arx1Wo6
— Transfer News Live (@DeadlineDayLive) April 22, 2021

by BarcaLearning Fri Apr 23, 2021 10:29 am

Seems like Flo isnt fking off though and will continue to sit at the top at Real Razz

Laporta is also saying the SL should be done or something similar, not sure if hes just as greedy or being forced to take the stance due to Barca being so bad financially. I hope its the latter. The votes I think will obviously result in Barca not agreeing with the SL since Im confident most of the voters are fans and not the greedy rich hopefully. Even if we go bankrupt at the worst case scenario which is unlikely, Laporta and co. should be able to find some solutions to help with our crisis, even if it means we dont sign anyone expensive this summer for example.

by Arquitecto Fri Apr 23, 2021 10:33 am

This never was a good idea. Problem with getting at the top is one becomes lonely atop the clouds, yet with age also lose touch with how the reality of the minnows and the middle class works.

Florentino only has experience as such in a club like Real Madrid and naturally does not care for the rest, but only an increased vestige of funds, and clearly did not think this through.

Agnelli, who is even more of a moron, trust fund baby that he is, is no different. And has disgraced himself totally and should resign.

Kroenke(s) are no different and are a total cancer to Arsenal.

Glazers too.

I usually am indifferent of losers whining about ones richer than them but this really is a transparent attempt at elitism and greed and should be shut down as soon as possible.

UEFA/FIFA tried to play the protagonists here but embarrassed themselves even further.

Fuck NESV and Henry. I like Henry but he has lost my respect on this and only bailed when he saw others pull out. Go back to Boston you chump.

by M99 Fri Apr 23, 2021 12:58 pm

Excerpts from the #SuperLeague contract: Barca & Real were set to receive additional 60m€ each. Inter, Milan, Dortmund & Atlético were supposed to receive less than everyone else. Clubs were to exclusively broadcast live games. More:https://t.co/JvYuURviFD @derspiegel @Rafanelli pic.twitter.com/9v9lM6HlQq
— Christoph Winterbach (@derWinterbach) April 23, 2021

by LeBéninois Fri Apr 23, 2021 3:54 pm

Laporta apparently sait that Super league is a.must to save clubs from bankruptcy.
Football is so inflated its ridiculous. The superleague is just going to keep that buble growing. A great drepression in football is necessary. There will always be talented players even if the salaries drop. Inflated transferts fees and agents comissions must stop.

The football business model as it is right now is simply bad.

by Myesyats Fri Apr 23, 2021 6:00 pm

Madrid and Barca are knee deep in debt. Much more so than other big clubs so no wonder they want to keep negotiating with UEFA although it may cost them participation in the CL.

by sportsczy Fri Apr 23, 2021 6:14 pm

They have no leverage... here's a thought: Stop the galactico policy! You don't need to buy WC players at every position. This nonsense is something they came up with.

Bayern do not buy players at crazy fees and they seem to do just fine.

by The Madrid One Fri Apr 23, 2021 6:45 pm

sportsczy wrote:They have no leverage... here's a thought: Stop the galactico policy! You don't need to buy WC players at every position. This nonsense is something they came up with.

Bayern do not buy players at crazy fees and they seem to do just fine.

You're missing the point with this kind of response though; the current indication is that Bayern, Chelsea, PSG, Man City, PL clubs, may all be more solvent and able than RM or FC Barcelona in the years to come because of a myriad of reasons such as oil money, ownership structures, idiosyncrasies with how the leagues work, crazy football market, and that is going to hurt the two Spanish clubs and everyone else when it comes to player salaries, transfer fees, competition, squad strength, etc and etc.

by sportsczy Fri Apr 23, 2021 8:21 pm

That's bs imo. Real Madrid and Barcelona have the largest wages by a significant margin:

https://www.sportbible.com/football/news-uefa-reveal-the-top-20-highest-club-wage-bills-in-europe-20200116

They're just trying to out-bling everyone and can't afford it. The clubs you've mentioned are all within a fairly tight range behind Madrid and Barca.

So in my book, Madrid and Barca can fuck off.

by S Sat Apr 24, 2021 3:16 am

: “We need a strict financial fair-play system, that allows you to compete as equals, not against state-owned clubs.” [Florentino Perez - AS] pic.twitter.com/Y42a0vlTTG
— Bianconeri Zone (@BianconeriZone) April 24, 2021

: “If states and billionaires can start injecting unlimited money into their clubs, then it'll be difficult to compete. We need to know where everyone's money comes from, we need transparency." [Florentino Perez - AS] pic.twitter.com/Nbuq4Dt10Z
— Bianconeri Zone (@BianconeriZone) April 24, 2021

According to “Der Spiegel” clubs dropping out of the SuperLeague have to pay 150mln€ to clubs remaining in the competition. At this moment in time no club officially left the SuperLeague.
— Bianconeri Zone (@BianconeriZone) April 23, 2021

by El Gunner Sat Apr 24, 2021 3:42 am

El Gunner wrote:i changed my mind... fuck the Premier League, its refs and their VAR... give me Flo Perez's Super League

by Hapless_Hans Sat Apr 24, 2021 3:45 am

El Gunner wrote:
El Gunner wrote:i changed my mind... fuck the Premier League, its refs and their VAR... give me Flo Perez's Super League

You think PL refereeing is bad, and you want to enter a competition designed by Uncle FLo and Real Madrid?

Just goes to show you haven't reached higher CL knockouts in a long time, or faced Real Madrid there.

by halamadrid2 Sat Apr 24, 2021 5:12 am

Flo will get his 150 ME from every single club that's left and fund Ramos' contract and Mbappe

Oh and RM being "knee deep" in debt is nonsense.

by Hapless_Hans Sat Apr 24, 2021 5:49 am

halamadrid2 wrote:
Oh and RM being "knee deep" in debt is nonsense.

More like neck deep?

by Robespierre Sat Apr 24, 2021 7:01 am

Meanwhile the French football in last 2 weeks :

Olympique Lyon has adopted a plan for coverting part of the salaries of players in shares so as to overcome the difficult situation.
Saint Etienne is looking for new partners because situations is unsunstunaible now
Bordeaux enter administration after U.S. owners King Street pull out of investment
But PSG .. set a new record in revenues from competitions Uefa.

revolt has been quelled rightly, but otherwise what does UEFA think ? Everything is okay and that's enough to resolve everything ?

if UEFA does not realize the light of the problem, it will have won only one battle but at the end it will lose the war

by sportsczy Sat Apr 24, 2021 10:17 am

Ligue 1 troubles were self-inflicted in large part. They chose a chinese-backed media company for their TV deal as it was the largest.... that company defaulted beginning of this year and they had to take a much smaller deal so as to have the games shown on TV period this season+ at least get some cash flow.

All the clubs were counting on the revenues from the bigger contract, that didn't happen.

That's the reason for the recent troubles. Nothing to do with UEFA. French LFP messed it up for themselves.

Bordeaux, again, picked an owner that wasn't required to give financial guarantees and were allowed to walk away without penalties.

Bad diligence + inept leadership.

Aulas is smart... he's giving players options that he can buy back at a premium over what he would owe the players. In essence, he's asking the players to invest and he will compensate them for it without dilluting ownership. It should be done more even without a pandemic.

by sportsczy Sat Apr 24, 2021 10:25 am

Oh and PSG are smart too. They have a great youth system that is feeding players of high quality. They've also filled their bench with loanees (Keane and Florenzi) and free transfers (Herrera).

The only purchase of any note since Di Maria several years ago was Icardi for 50 + 7 mil.

Their wage bill is actually going to go down with Keane, Florenzi and others coming off the books. The only truly overpayment on their part in the past 5 years was Kehrer for 40 mil. The others were good contracts.

by Myesyats Sat Apr 24, 2021 5:24 pm

halamadrid2 wrote:Flo will get his 150 ME from every single club that's left and fund Ramos' contract and Mbappe

Oh and RM being "knee deep" in debt is nonsense.

According to Kicker RM are €900m in debt.

compared to
Barca €1,2bn
Inter €630m
A.Madrid €522m
Juventus €458m

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