Re: Mercato Rossonero: Milan Transfer Activity Inside Out

by IrasMaldinista Fri Jul 14, 2017 4:23 pm

Dante wrote:@Iras
As much as i am enjoying this and as much as i rate the work that's been done in Milan so far very highly , the best summer mercato i've seen in my life was Real in 2009 , when they got Ronaldo , Kaka , Xabi Alonso , Benzema , e.t.c .. (i am sure i also forget others too , i guess some fodder too maybe)

it was just out of this world however you look at it , our case is astonishing as well and we have been through much worse shite than Real did back then , that alone deserves some very serious praise all by itself , but in any case , not the same as signing superstars and elite players/talents as they managed to do back then. It will stay unmatched for a really long time , hopefully ours will be up there when all is said and done

In terms of quality, you're spot on, man. However, I stand by my claim, you know why?

Because, first, as you said, we went through too much humiliation, and our squad was simply miserable. Compare this to Real, who were gonna retain the Liga title had it not been for Guardiola's overpowering Barca.

Second, it was all too easy for Real to buy those "names." They got the most obvious, and the most expensive names around. Perez did not have to tear down the building and construct a new one like Fassobelli did. They did not buy Kaka because they needed him, they paid 70m for the best attacking midfielder in the world – that they also didn't need – to give their fans bigger boners. When you buy Ronaldo, a winger, you cannot play with an AM. That's elementary stuff that Perez is often too awestruck to see. Instead, we made some outstandingly shrewd signings that truly elevate our quality without caring about how hot, popular, and marketable they are. Pure footballocentric prioritization.

Thirdly, on a personal note, I hate overpaying in football. I hate it that we may have to pay up to 80m for (no offense to you or your man-crush, Dante) an unproven, internationally-untested striker. I'd be mad to prefer Kalinic, but 60m is the most I would, and should, pay for a box player. This is why I love Calhanoglu, Conti, and the rest of our signings: they are all more or less steals. Conti is MUCH MUCH better than Kyle Walker, yet compare their prices. We have been intelligent AF in comparison to those retarded Premier League pseudo-managers.

And lastly, except for key areas which require experience, like DM (Biglia), or unimaginable opportunities like Bonucci, we got young enough players to guarantee at least seven years each.

Of course, I am too deliriously happy ( banana

) to be at my best intellectually, but I suppose I explained my case well this time.

by Cruijf Fri Jul 14, 2017 4:51 pm

It's been a longgggggg time since Milan made me this happy. After years of mediocrity, we're finally back Proud

This season can't start soon enough.

by Kaladin Fri Jul 14, 2017 4:59 pm

Fully agree with Dante on the Mercato, Real that market was insane as well

Its just too much to handle

by M99 Fri Jul 14, 2017 5:39 pm

Can someone tell me how we are doing this with FFP looming over our heads? Is the plan to sell deadweight to meet the rules?

Man, i remember how pessimistic everyone was at the beginning. I still can't believe we signed Bonucci. Nothing will shock me after that. Won't be surprised to see Fasobelli do the triple handshake with Ronaldo and Icardi next week.

by Based Bonera Fri Jul 14, 2017 5:40 pm

*boner*

by Dante Fri Jul 14, 2017 5:47 pm

@Iras

Well if you put it this way , strictly through how all the more difficult it is for us , how much more complicated as well and how ours seems to be constructed with sporting sense before all else , then ok , i still cannot possibly rate it higher than what Real did , but there's a case to be made that ours at least deserves almost equal praise , especially if there's more to come here

that said it's not only about the quality , try for a moment and understand what the equilavant of Ronaldo-Kaka-Xabi Alonso-Benzema and whatever depth they got would mean today

it's like someone buying Neymar-Isco-Busquets-Mbappe in today's summer , or something close to that

completely insane , would make our own already ridiculous mercato seem peasant like rofl

Anyway , only reason i brought it up was exactly because our mercato somewhat reminded me of Real's movement that summer , no need for comparisons of course , different situations excellent summers both ,

but for all intents and purposes it's brilliant , excellent progress so far

As for Belotti , lol man none taken , i just really appreciate Belotti that's all , in fact , if you ask me strictly to answer about the field , even if we don't get Belotti/Auba , Kalinic will work very very well in Montella's Milan anyway. I say this with the outmost confidence about Kalinic , no matter what people say about him .

Of course i want Belotti , and if not him Auba would suffice , but if we can't make it happen , i know Kalinic will be a fine transfer . In fact , i wish we signed both Belotti and Kalinic , but ok , i realise that it's too much

we would be dead set if it ever happened though , Belotti main man and Kalinic-Andre Silva to partner him according to the needs of the game at hand , would be unreal imo

by IrasMaldinista Fri Jul 14, 2017 6:09 pm

Dante wrote:@Iras

Well if you put it this way , strictly through how all the more difficult it is for us , how much more complicated as well and how ours seems to be constructed with sporting sense before all else , then ok , i still cannot possibly rate it higher than what Real did , but there's a case to be made that ours at least deserves almost equal praise , especially if there's more to come here

that said it's not only about the quality , try for a moment and understand what the equilavant of Ronaldo-Kaka-Xabi Alonso-Benzema and whatever depth they got would mean today

it's like someone buying Neymar-Isco-Busquets-Mbappe in today's summer , or something close to that

completely insane , would make our own already ridiculous mercato seem peasant like

Anyway , only reason i brought it up was exactly because our mercato somewhat reminded me of Real's movement that summer , no need for comparisons of course , different situations excellent summers both ,

but for all intents and purposes it's brilliant , excellent progress so far

As for Belotti , lol man none taken , i just really appreciate Belotti that's all , in fact , if you ask me strictly to answer about the field , even if we don't get Belotti/Auba , Kalinic will work very very well in Montella's Milan anyway. I say this with the outmost confidence about Kalinic , no matter what people say about him .

Of course i want Belotti , and if not him Auba would suffice , but if we can't make it happen , i know Kalinic will be a fine transfer . In fact , i wish we signed both Belotti and Kalinic , but ok , i realise that it's too much

we would be dead set if it ever happened though , Belotti main man and Kalinic-Andre Silva to partner him according to the needs of the game at hand , would be unreal imo

I think, given his age and nonexistent Champions League or other A-list tournament record, Belotti is too risky to pay 100m (or even 80m) for. On the other hand, he is only 181cm tall, which is not nearly as imposing as Vieri (189) or Ibra (195). I tend to see him as a more fox-in-the-boxy version of Andre Silva. If he becomes available for 50m, it'll be a genius transfer. Otherwise, Aubameyang for 60 is way, way better.

I have an idea which, useless as I am in the real world, would have loved to share with Fassobelli. I think we can buy Aubameyang for, say, ~70m, and then sell him off next year for even more to those overpaying suckers in China. By that time, Belotti will have played another full season during which to prove himself as a Serie A specialist, and of course, shown himself at the WC2018. We'll have a much better idea of who he REALLY is before shelling out THAT much after one good season. Obviously his price won't exceed 100m by then, and if he's worth it, we can get him. However, if he fails to replicate his 2016-17 wonders and we do sell Aubameyang, there is always that spoiled, deserted brat Morata to turn to.

I think we need another out-and-out winger i.e. Cuadrado or Keita Balde in addition to the striker. We'll be absolutely ready to pounce for the scudetto if we snatch quality players for those roles.

by Dante Fri Jul 14, 2017 6:46 pm

hmm , selling Auba to China for unreal money is not possible anymore , otherwise Dortmund would have already succeeded there. New rules there. You pay , say , 100m on a transfer , you have to pay another 100m 'to further invest in Chinese football' or however they put it , not suer where they pay that , but anything above a certain threshold , it's double final price . I think it's near 10m or something , any Chinese club pays more than that for foreigners , they will have to pay a similar amount to the Chinese football federation.

Basically a rule which will hault this kind of purchase in the future , and if not , good luck paying something trully disgusting for every single such transfer. I mean they have money , but it's not unlimited . maybe Laughing

in other words , not possible to do so , i mean they intended to get Auba but he would have cost 140m in essense. Who's going to pay that even if they can? Not worth it . So no , said plan although it could work somewhat , dunno if the club would be willing but let's say , it's not feasible anymore.

On Belotti , i fully understand there's risk involved and especially for 100m , but in short , IF we get Belotti. It won't be 100m. I won't claim to know what shall it be and it's pointless to speculate in depth , i do believe it will be for less than that , i think 2/3 of his release clause value , could do the trick , but only after Chelsea officially buys someone else.

Belotti ain't showing up before Cairo is bereft of possible suitors for his 100m purposes. Once that adorable dream is officially over for him , we shall be the only ones left to give him something close to what he asks and save him from risking his investment which is Belotti , next season.

Simply because he can kiss the big money from Belotti goodbye for good , if Belotti's performance drops even a little next season , if nobody's paying 100m now , they sure as hell won't pay that in a less productive season. Hopefully he can be leveraged into sense here because i don't think he wants to miss out on a sweet deal which absolves all risks of the future.

Getting something like 2/3 of the release's clause value is a success for Cairo anyway , we need to see how the mercato plays out though first . One more left , Chelsea. Once they get their man and i really doubt it will be Belotti , much more a risk to them than us really , we will have our chance.

As for Belotti lacking european comp experience at 23 , well that's not the end of the world really. There will be time and soon to rectify that , if he joins. As for what he does , Belotti's a true hitman CF , no nonsene stuff.

Get ins , attempt to score . Runs his mind out for the team , involves himself in build up when necessary , fights for everything , great athlete and trully mean in front of goal on his day , cannot wait to see what he does with better service.

A team like ours -even as it is right now- feeding him chances could be something to behold . That's how i see it , but no matter what , our CF line should be doing great next season no matter who they are , i say this with confidence.

its gonna be good , i wish there's Belotti in there but if it's not meant to be , i still very much believe in our chances

by IrasMaldinista Fri Jul 14, 2017 7:06 pm

Dante wrote:hmm , selling Auba to China for unreal money is not possible anymore , otherwise Dortmund would have already succeeded there. New rules there. You pay , say , 100m on a transfer , you have to pay another 100m 'to further invest in Chinese football' or however they put it , not suer where they pay that , but anything above a certain threshold , it's double final price . I think it's near 10m or something , any Chinese club pays more than that for foreigners , they will have to pay a similar amount to the Chinese football federation.

Basically a rule which will hault this kind of purchase in the future , and if not , good luck paying something trully disgusting for every single such transfer. I mean they have money , but it's not unlimited . maybe

in other words , not possible to do so , i mean they intended to get Auba but he would have cost 140m in essense. Who's going to pay that even if they can? Not worth it . So no , said plan although it could work somewhat , dunno if the club would be willing but let's say , it's not feasible anymore.

On Belotti , i fully understand there's risk involved and especially for 100m , but in short , IF we get Belotti. It won't be 100m. I won't claim to know what shall it be and it's pointless to speculate in depth , i do believe it will be for less than that , i think 2/3 of his release clause value , could do the trick , but only after Chelsea officially buys someone else.

Belotti ain't showing up before Cairo is bereft of possible suitors for his 100m purposes. Once that adorable dream is officially over for him , we shall be the only ones left to give him something close to what he asks and save him from risking his investment which is Belotti , next season.

Simply because he can kiss the big money from Belotti goodbye for good , if Belotti's performance drops even a little next season , if nobody's paying 100m now , they sure as hell won't pay that in a less productive season. Hopefully he can be leveraged into sense here because i don't think he wants to miss out on a sweet deal which absolves all risks of the future.

Getting something like 2/3 of the release's clause value is a success for Cairo anyway , we need to see how the mercato plays out though first . One more left , Chelsea. Once they get their man and i really doubt it will be Belotti , much more a risk to them than us really , we will have our chance.

As for Belotti lacking european comp experience at 23 , well that's not the end of the world really. There will be time and soon to rectify that , if he joins. As for what he does , Belotti's a true hitman CF , no nonsene stuff.

Get ins , attempt to score . Runs his mind out for the team , involves himself in build up when necessary , fights for everything , great athlete and trully mean in front of goal on his day , cannot wait to see what he does with better service.

A team like ours -even as it is right now- feeding him chances could be something to behold . That's how i see it , but no matter what , our CF line should be doing great next season no matter who they are , i say this with confidence.

its gonna be good , i wish there's Belotti in there but if it's not meant to be , i still very much believe in our chances

Yeah, I did read about this rule you're talking about, but I still think this solution smart and doable, because if the Chinese really want a player labeled as 'superstar' to make their league more watchable, more reputable, even 140m won't be THAT big a deal-breaker for them.

One can never predict how a proven superstar would perform in the upcoming season (for more info, click on Hazard 2015-16, Kaka 2009-10, Zidane's last two years, etc.) but we can – and have no way but to – sort of trust their most recent season. Therefore, I'd be delighted if an Italiano (and Bellotti is as Italiano as they come!) were to lead the charge upfront. No bigger dream. And given his potential, it ain't exactly a 'dream' but a very likely scenario. Nobody defied expectations more jaw-droppingly than our very own Ricky Kaka in his debut season; a nobody who sent the most expensive player in our history to the bench. But we paid 8m for him, not 80!

Like you, I am optimistic AF about next season, and importantly for a fan, I trust our management. We used to incessantly talk of how "I would've done this or that if I were Galliani..." but I admit sincerely that these two sons-of-guns, with the budget at their disposal, have done way better than I would have in a fantasy football game.

by Dante Fri Jul 14, 2017 8:30 pm

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Can this man get any more legendary ? Can he get any more awesome than he is?

most beautiful picture of the summer for me

Heart

by Dante Fri Jul 14, 2017 8:53 pm

La Repubblica claims that Milan offered Torino €40m + Niang &Paletta for Belotti yesterday, Torino are asking for €20m more.
However La Stampa claims that Milan's newest offer is €55-60m + Niang & Paletta.
€3.5m/yr + bonuses for the player

(got it from Milan Eye)

40-50-60 whatever , let's do this. Take Paletta and take Niang lol , JUST YES

JUST GIVE THEM WHAT THEY WANT

what a beautiful , lovely summer day

Biglia incoming too lol , brilliant

by Kaladin Fri Jul 14, 2017 10:07 pm

Seems like your wish is coming true Dante

Contacts between Milan and Torino for Belotti are continous. Milan offer €40-45m+Paletta and Niang [Sky] pic.twitter.com/CxSdTyYFtJ
— Milan Eye (@MilanEye) July 14, 2017

by IrasMaldinista Fri Jul 14, 2017 10:08 pm

Don't wanna be a party pooper or nothing, but, at times like this, one can't help thinking about allllllll the lost opportunities of years past that we could not capitalize on. Had we signed Witsel last year when he was literally dying to come here, we wouldn't be so short on central midfielders. Locatelli will obviously be Biglia's understudy with the hope of coming of age in 2-3 years, and there is nobody to replace Kessie in case, God forbid, some nasty injury happens to him. I was suddenly reminded of the way we missed out on Witsel, that immaculate Belgian all-rounder who could've given us a hand last year as well. Unless Mr. Li's pocket is limitless, I think our midfield shopping is over, and we are really short in numbers.

OH MY GOD! I forgot about Sosa!!!
OK. Never mind this post. We're all set.

(FFS)

by IrasMaldinista Fri Jul 14, 2017 10:16 pm

Dante wrote:

Can this man get any more legendary ? Can he get any more awesome than he is?

most beautiful picture of the summer for me

I don't think I will ever, ever forget that Ballon d'Or-sealing performance of Ricky in the 3-2 loss to Man Utd, where he scored my favorite goal ever, and then the finest performance of a Carlo Ancelotti team at that magical rainy night in Milan, when we pummeled Sir Alex's wonderful team (champions the next year).

I don't think, then, that anyone, be it Messi in a Milan shirt or whoever TF else, can ever give me the otherworldly emotions Kaka created in 2007. As a Milanista, 2007 is my year. Ricky Kaka surely remains in my heart, and I will cherish that sacred no.22 jersey of his I keep in my closet as long as I live. No question about it.

by Dante Fri Jul 14, 2017 10:27 pm

ES wrote:Seems like your wish is coming true Dante

Contacts between Milan and Torino for Belotti are continous. Milan offer €40-45m+Paletta and Niang [Sky] pic.twitter.com/CxSdTyYFtJ
— Milan Eye (@MilanEye) July 14, 2017

what is this day , man seriously now

how much happyness and excitement can a man take in a day ??

Don't even know what i will do if we get Belotti really , besides buy his shirt as fast as i possibly can

i'll probably start running naked flashing my dick in the streets or something , it will be too damn good to keep calma really

JUST GIVE ME BELOTTI

by Dante Fri Jul 14, 2017 11:01 pm

IrasMaldinista wrote:
Dante wrote:

Can this man get any more legendary ? Can he get any more awesome than he is?

most beautiful picture of the summer for me

I don't think I will ever, ever forget that Ballon d'Or-sealing performance of Ricky in the 3-2 loss to Man Utd, where he scored my favorite goal ever, and then the finest performance of a Carlo Ancelotti team at that magical rainy night in Milan, when we pummeled Sir Alex's wonderful team (champions the next year).

I don't think, then, that anyone, be it Messi in a Milan shirt or whoever TF else, can ever give me the otherworldly emotions Kaka created in 2007. As a Milanista, 2007 is my year. Ricky Kaka surely remains in my heart, and I will cherish that sacred no.22 jersey of his I keep in my closet as long as I live. No question about it.

i feel you m8 , unforgettable nights and emotions , 2000s CL journeys and nights will stay with me forever. Needless to even talk about Kaka , we'll never manage to express it right . I was in a really bad mood when he left the second time even , when clearly still classy but not the same as before obviously . I will always cherish and remeber prime Kaka forever , still vividly remember so many of his goals and matches .

What an amazing player he was , beyond shame that he didn't stay here even longer , or that he declined shortly after , i never stopped being a fan and i was sad for him. He deserved to captain Milan as he wished , but oh well , lyf happens . Wish him only happyness and why not , even return and work for Milan in some capacity one day , if he's up to it

to this day he remains the only youngster of Milan i ever seriously hyped , i couldn't believe he benched Rui Costa who i always adored. Being also younger myself and less experienced i was so much eager for it to , but still , that he made all my wishes come true in our shirt... it really goes beyond words , what Kaka means to me.

I can only wish we find someone like him again lol , so glad for Kaka . Literally no regrets other than it didn't last longer , there was more there. But oh well , past is the past , on to new things Proud

by Based Bonera Sat Jul 15, 2017 3:57 am

If we get Belotti...

Oh my god. WHAT IS HAPPENING?

by M99 Sat Jul 15, 2017 7:30 am

Torino have rejected a €50m offer +Niang +Paletta from Milan for #Belotti. Chelsea are also in talks with Torino (£89m release clause). #CFC
— Matteo Pedrosi (@MatteoPedrosi) July 14, 2017

by Based Bonera Sat Jul 15, 2017 9:27 am

Makes sense, tbh. Would love to see Torino rip off Chelsea.

Lets go Kalinic?

by IrasMaldinista Sat Jul 15, 2017 10:30 am

Reports suggest that retarded Chelsea has offered 100m for Higuain. I mean, is it possible to be dumber than this? 100 for a 30-year-old lazy-ass mercenary of a 'goal machine?'
But, my fear is that, if there is any truth to this and Juve do sell, they will then go all out for Il Gallo. And I DON'T WANT BELLOTTI AT JUVE!

Still, Juve managers won't dare sell another top player because their tifosi will, as we Iranians say, crush their office roofs down on their heads!

The only way I would be happy for Fassobelli to spend crazy on Bellotti - to the great pleasure of my pal @Dante, I'm sure! - is to prevent him from going to Juve.

Right now, Italy has four cornerstones: Buffon, Bonucci, Verratti, and Bellotti. We can't let Juve have two or three of these (as I fear they will also go for Verratti in the near future). I wish we hadn't gotten, say, Andre Silva, and spent madly on Verratti. Wishful thinking, but still.

If we get Bellotti this year and Verratti in 2018, and NOT lose Donnarumma, La Nazionale will be our familial property by 2019!!! banana

by IrasMaldinista Sat Jul 15, 2017 10:36 am

Guys, have you also read the news of Milan going for Euro 2016's young player of the tournament?

Amazing news. Fantastic news. Just last night I was lamenting the fact that we ain't got no replacement for Kessie if we lose him to injury or, say, a 3-game ban. If we get Sanchez, not only will we have another bundle of energy in the middle of the park, but also pull down the average age of our transfers/squad a year or two. Prior to Biglia-Bonucci, our shopping only focused on young guns, and Sanchez is exactly what we need.

Against lesser teams, a midfield three of Kessie, Sanchez, Calhanoglu would be so fascinating I don't know if a more exciting midfield line could be found in Europe.

Oh Lord, let it happen! Let it f****** happen!

by IrasMaldinista Sat Jul 15, 2017 10:44 am

I remember, many years ago, maybe in 2001 or 2002, I was just beginning to speak English well, and I had begun chatting with foreigners in famous chat apps like Paltalk or Yahoo Messenger, and in particular with Milanisti from other parts of the world. The point being that, I remember a 40-year-old tifoso taught me a valuable philosophy of hard-line fandom: "The failure of our enemies," he told me, "must be way more enjoyable to you than our own success."

I was suddenly reminded of this anecdote when I read a transfer report suggesting Juventus are looking to replace Bonucci with Sokratis.

I'm sure you can find the connection! eco smile

by Based Bonera Sat Jul 15, 2017 11:05 am

If we get Sanchez as well, im going to lose it

by Dante Sat Jul 15, 2017 2:12 pm

M99 wrote:
Torino have rejected a €50m offer +Niang +Paletta from Milan for #Belotti. Chelsea are also in talks with Torino (£89m release clause). #CFC
— Matteo Pedrosi (@MatteoPedrosi) July 14, 2017

Mercato Rossonero: Milan Transfer Activity Inside Out - Page 12 Giphy

by Kaladin Sat Jul 15, 2017 2:16 pm

That guy is from CalcioMercato, which is basically Daily Star Italian version

by Dante Sat Jul 15, 2017 2:56 pm

IrasMaldinista wrote:Guys, have you also read the news of Milan going for Euro 2016's young player of the tournament?

Amazing news. Fantastic news. Just last night I was lamenting the fact that we ain't got no replacement for Kessie if we lose him to injury or, say, a 3-game ban. If we get Sanchez, not only will we have another bundle of energy in the middle of the park, but also pull down the average age of our transfers/squad a year or two. Prior to Biglia-Bonucci, our shopping only focused on young guns, and Sanchez is exactly what we need.

Against lesser teams, a midfield three of Kessie, Sanchez, Calhanoglu would be so fascinating I don't know if a more exciting midfield line could be found in Europe.

Oh Lord, let it happen! Let it f****** happen!

Based Bonera wrote:If we get Sanchez as well, im going to lose it

I'd certainly welcome him , but it will be complicated .

__

Bertolacci

In other news , Bertolacci off to Genoa on loan on paid loan , we got 1m or something and he will be back next summer. I guess to raise his value after a positive season , or just take him back if he exceeds all expectations. Whatever happens , we win sporting wise , as far as money go not so much , it will be a victory if we get half of that 20m back.

Lapadula

Also off to Genoa , but on a 2m loan with obligation to buy next summer at 11m . Good deal. Lapadula arrived in the most uncertain of times , being himself a player of uncertain credentials . I'd say he won some over , others were never happy with him. I stand in between , that he won me over with character and effort , plus a couple really nice goals , but at the end of the day , he simply isn't Milan material . Would be useful for depth , but something tells me the pressure and expectations wouldn't help his case at all. Genuinely good guy , i am certain he will have a good time at Genoa .

Biglia

Had his medicals this morning and will be flying off to China with Bonucci . Great news. 17m plus 3m in bonuses , fair enough. It's hefty , but i consider it fair after all. What's important to me is that we got our option n1 for the position and so i am glad. Very happy to have someone so competent and brave there , complete player Biglia. Badelj is better with the ball , does fancy things , but compare them point by point and you'll see Biglia's worth. He does it all , even if he's not the best at something . Biggest trait for me is his undeniable bravery on the pitch , i can't stress enough how important is that you have players who live for the challenge. Very happy with Biglia and may he be a fine role model for Locatelli too.

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