The Midfield: From Hero to Zero?
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Re: The Midfield: From Hero to Zero?
Matic + Herera = AMAZING
Herera + Witsel = ok
Herrera + Kovacic = AMAZING
Herera + Witsel = ok
Herrera + Kovacic = AMAZING
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Re: The Midfield: From Hero to Zero?
Pjanic in mid, is no zero mid
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Re: The Midfield: From Hero to Zero?
Why do we need 2 midfielders? 1 is more than enough. Asamoah is staying, Sturaro is staying too... I believe in sturaro.
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Re: The Midfield: From Hero to Zero?
well that is because nobody trust the players on the bench so they want new players instead of waiting for Marchisio and Khedira to come back from the injury,
I don't know what Alegri thinks about it if he trusts the bench its over
I don't know what Alegri thinks about it if he trusts the bench its over
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Re: The Midfield: From Hero to Zero?
I would splash all the remaning cash on Di Maria if he was available.
Khedira had 1920 min under his belt this season that's hardly not being fit but he needs to improve his fitness levels true. When not injured he is amazing and a class player.
Lemina, Asamoa and one of Khedira/Marchisio is great bench and depth. I am sure we'll add two we need more quality if we are going to aim the cl.
lucianomoggi wrote:well that is because nobody trust the players on the bench so they want new players instead of waiting for Marchisio and Khedira to come back from the injury,
I don't know what Alegri thinks about it if he trusts the bench its over
Khedira had 1920 min under his belt this season that's hardly not being fit but he needs to improve his fitness levels true. When not injured he is amazing and a class player.
Lemina, Asamoa and one of Khedira/Marchisio is great bench and depth. I am sure we'll add two we need more quality if we are going to aim the cl.
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yeah devi I trust all the bench
I think people forgetting that we also have PJACA who I rate to be really good player
Pjaca can be used somehow behind strikers, until one of CM players come back so that gives Alegri the option to use Pjanic as a deep midfielder
we have SANDRO on the left, ALVES on the right
I think we are less problems that fans are thinking about
if only KHEDIRA was fit no problems at all ,
--------- FW --- FW -------
------------ PJACA --------
SANDRO - PJANIC - KHEDIRA - ALVES
------ CB ---- CB --- CB
but without Khedira using STURARO and PJACA both are too young I don't know how much we can trust their expertise, experience
so with only one CM player we would be perfect ,
but even without we can still do good I trust the bench
and its not like we got PJACA 25 million for no reason he has to play
I think people forgetting that we also have PJACA who I rate to be really good player
Pjaca can be used somehow behind strikers, until one of CM players come back so that gives Alegri the option to use Pjanic as a deep midfielder
we have SANDRO on the left, ALVES on the right
I think we are less problems that fans are thinking about
if only KHEDIRA was fit no problems at all ,
--------- FW --- FW -------
------------ PJACA --------
SANDRO - PJANIC - KHEDIRA - ALVES
------ CB ---- CB --- CB
but without Khedira using STURARO and PJACA both are too young I don't know how much we can trust their expertise, experience
so with only one CM player we would be perfect ,
but even without we can still do good I trust the bench
and its not like we got PJACA 25 million for no reason he has to play
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Re: The Midfield: From Hero to Zero?
IMO should swap Pogba for Fellaini IMO, direct swap.
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Re: The Midfield: From Hero to Zero?
BTW, Matuidi's agent is fat man himself, so he would be a big no for me.
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Re: The Midfield: From Hero to Zero?
I would prefer Sturaro over Matuidi ffs. I don't like him , he's really poor technically and has no brain at all.
BTW this Herrera guy is any better than Sturaro ? He has a reputation to be a workhorse but we all know that's not enough to play for Juve.
BTW this Herrera guy is any better than Sturaro ? He has a reputation to be a workhorse but we all know that's not enough to play for Juve.
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Re: The Midfield: From Hero to Zero?
He is way ahead of Sturaro. From the names mentioned above, I'd put him as a #1 priority. We definitely don't need 2 more midfielders until we remove the dead wood though. Used to watch him last year (both on tv and live, hehe), one of the clear standouts from a pretty average Porto team.
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Re: The Midfield: From Hero to Zero?
Fun fact is, we already have Pogba's replacement, which is Pjanic.
However no one denies that Pjanic does not have the physical impact of Polpo. Anyone who's built and is as valuable than Khedira is ok for me. The more i think about it the more i believe Witsel is coming.
No disrespect to the 2 PSG players most people want, but both are too short. It's as simple as that.
Matic: My #1 choice but seems doubtful.
Herrera: I don't know who he is, sincerely, so allow me to pass on him. Besides, i never saw him linked to Juve once.
Leads us to Witsel. I actually saw him play about a dozen times with Zenit, in Champions League + i sometimes watch ZSP vs CSKA domestic games. To tell the truth, he is not my favourite player, but he is reliable, tall and strong. I'll add that he got a surprisingly good technique for a guy of his size.
He ain't glamorous, but the real question in this case is: as a 4th midfielder, Serie A starter sometimes, would Witsel be crap ? I don't think so.
Some say i might be biased since i'm rating my own opinion here, but i think Witsel would be a smart transfer
However no one denies that Pjanic does not have the physical impact of Polpo. Anyone who's built and is as valuable than Khedira is ok for me. The more i think about it the more i believe Witsel is coming.
No disrespect to the 2 PSG players most people want, but both are too short. It's as simple as that.
Matic: My #1 choice but seems doubtful.
Herrera: I don't know who he is, sincerely, so allow me to pass on him. Besides, i never saw him linked to Juve once.
Leads us to Witsel. I actually saw him play about a dozen times with Zenit, in Champions League + i sometimes watch ZSP vs CSKA domestic games. To tell the truth, he is not my favourite player, but he is reliable, tall and strong. I'll add that he got a surprisingly good technique for a guy of his size.
He ain't glamorous, but the real question in this case is: as a 4th midfielder, Serie A starter sometimes, would Witsel be crap ? I don't think so.
Some say i might be biased since i'm rating my own opinion here, but i think Witsel would be a smart transfer
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Re: The Midfield: From Hero to Zero?
DeviAngel wrote:hmm
Once Marchisio gets back I can envision us playing a 4-3-1-2. The addition of Pjanic allows us to do this. Pjanic actually allows us more flexibility than Pogba. Plus he's the best free kick taker in the world.
However we will keep our base 3-5-2 for the foreseeable future. I think Witsel is most likely our #1 target at this point. Matic looks to be staying at Chleaea, Matuidi has fat man as his agent so he better not be an option, Herrera isn't really linked to us.
Witsel would fit perfectly into our lineup as a direct Pogba replacement. No he's not Pogba, but with Pjanic, Alves, and Higuain added to our starting lineup I believe we are a stronger team than last year even without Pogba. A 3-5-2 with Witsel:
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Alves Barzagli Bonucci Chiellini Sandro
Khedira Pjanic Witsel
Higuain Dybala
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Re: The Midfield: From Hero to Zero?
I believe that formations should be adaptable
4-3-1-2 is really good
you can defend really good
you can counter attack really good
but when you want to attack too hard against the small teams you also want the formation to adapt you may want to open wings and you want to press forwards like 3-1-4-2 formation
and that was possible with POGBA because he was doing both CM + LM roles but without him I am unsure How Alegri will approach the formation
I more believe we will use both SANDRO and ALVES on the wings of 3-5-2 but with PJACA there may be a different approach
I don't know if Pjaca will be used as a winger or behind strikers like Peryera
4-3-1-2 is really good
you can defend really good
you can counter attack really good
but when you want to attack too hard against the small teams you also want the formation to adapt you may want to open wings and you want to press forwards like 3-1-4-2 formation
and that was possible with POGBA because he was doing both CM + LM roles but without him I am unsure How Alegri will approach the formation
I more believe we will use both SANDRO and ALVES on the wings of 3-5-2 but with PJACA there may be a different approach
I don't know if Pjaca will be used as a winger or behind strikers like Peryera
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Re: The Midfield: From Hero to Zero?
Playing with 4 defenders in a 4-3-3, let's say Pereyra and Pjaca are the wingers... is perfectly fine, but only once in a while, for the thrill of it.
Juve is built for a 3 cb formation and this is how success will come.
Juve is built for a 3 cb formation and this is how success will come.
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heffkzar wrote:Playing with 4 defenders in a 4-3-3, let's say Pereyra and Pjaca are the wingers... is perfectly fine, but only once in a while, for the thrill of it.
Juve is built for a 3 cb formation and this is how success will come.
------Dybala----------Pjaca-----
-------------Higuain---
-------Dybala---Mandzukic---Higuain---
------------Dybala---Higuain---
------------------Mandzukic------
The last one seems unrealistic but still a variation with 4-3-something can be done and found
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Yeah of course. Yet my point was, playing with 4 defenders is absurd if BBC + Rugani and Benatia are fit.
4-3-3, sometimes, in games vs average opponents, why not ? I think our midfield can handle that, plus it brings some fantasy.
But a 3-cb tactic is the key for success, with the players we have right now.
4-3-3, sometimes, in games vs average opponents, why not ? I think our midfield can handle that, plus it brings some fantasy.
But a 3-cb tactic is the key for success, with the players we have right now.
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heffkzar wrote:Yeah of course. Yet my point was, playing with 4 defenders is absurd if BBC + Rugani and Benatia are fit.
4-3-3, sometimes, in games vs average opponents, why not ? I think our midfield can handle that, plus it brings some fantasy.
But a 3-cb tactic is the key for success, with the players we have right now.
The most important thing for Allegri is flexibility and Plan B,C etc. We can offer that now and we will, we are so unpredictable its really exciting and tough for opponents.
After all formation on paper is not the same with formation and tactics on field what we see 3-5-2 on the screen or paper is changed 9999999 times during the game into 5-3-2, 4-2-4, 4-3-3, 3-4-1-2 etc
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This is the mark of very ambitious teams. Allegri is living the dream of every FIFA career mode player. He can basically display whoever he wants and be competitive.
However, Benatia being here means even with one of BBC out, we will play 3-man def most of the time. Still gives a large amount of possible tactics.
Having two pair of high-quality fullbacks is a true advantage for this matter.
However, Benatia being here means even with one of BBC out, we will play 3-man def most of the time. Still gives a large amount of possible tactics.
Having two pair of high-quality fullbacks is a true advantage for this matter.
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And interestingly enough, and more focused on the thread's title, our worst possible midfield
HERNANES LEMINA ASAMOAH
is still kind of well-balanced and better than most Serie A opponents' options.
HERNANES LEMINA ASAMOAH
is still kind of well-balanced and better than most Serie A opponents' options.
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heffkzar wrote:And interestingly enough, and more focused on the thread's title, our worst possible midfield
HERNANES LEMINA ASAMOAH
is still kind of well-balanced and better than most Serie A opponents' options.
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very good balance
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Re: The Midfield: From Hero to Zero?
If we want more physicality in midfield, as we probably do after losing Pogba and Vidal, Witsel is the best choice in the market.
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Re: The Midfield: From Hero to Zero?
We need an engine like Vidal IMO to replace Pogba.
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Re: The Midfield: From Hero to Zero?
Allan from Napoli would be awesome but no way they are selling
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Re: The Midfield: From Hero to Zero?
Thing with Witsel is that he probably degraded in russian league. So he can turn out a bad signing like others from RPL: Doumbia, Jo, Honda, Krasic, etc
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Re: The Midfield: From Hero to Zero?
Allan or even Jorginho woul be great but ADL is being a d...
Ofc he lost a key player to main rivals bu the bastard got 90 mln €.Mote than he has ever spent for that team.
As for Witsel , I don't see where all the hate is coming for him?
He is a solid midfielder , he would be a starter on all Serie A teams and we are taking him as a rotational option.
Some people may mistake him with Fellaini lol.
But frow what I saw on Euros, he is a good player, very good passer.
His best position would probably be in front of our defense since he's a slow paced player.
Pjanic - Witsel - Khedira aint bad.
Ofc he lost a key player to main rivals bu the bastard got 90 mln €.Mote than he has ever spent for that team.
As for Witsel , I don't see where all the hate is coming for him?
He is a solid midfielder , he would be a starter on all Serie A teams and we are taking him as a rotational option.
Some people may mistake him with Fellaini lol.
But frow what I saw on Euros, he is a good player, very good passer.
His best position would probably be in front of our defense since he's a slow paced player.
Pjanic - Witsel - Khedira aint bad.
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