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Unique wrote:
are you really sitting behind a computer in the USA using reports and stats to tell him whats really going on where he actualy lived in Sweden. that's why I have endless arguments on this forum. people living thousands of miles away telling me I don't know whats going on out side my front door.
Dude; even if Thimmy lived in Sweden, which he doesn't:
He wouldn't live in all of Sweden simultaneously. Just because you know a guy who's cousin's friend got mugged that one time doesn't mean a crime epidemic is spreading through all of Scandinavia.
It's the same in the US, if you poll people what they think is happening, there's a slight majority of people who genuinely believe crime is at an all-time high, when in fact it's been steadily dropping since the 80s.
Same in Scandinavia; crime is down, each and every year, the 2015 spike in Sweden aside, even through steady immigration. People are just more aware of crime now, with Social Media, and conspiracy theorists spreading every single instance through all instances, to make it seem like an epidemic.
There isn't one.
Sure, there are problems with integration, assimilation, and immigration. And I would actually be willing to agree that some of the liberal stances are too risky, and I actually am a bit concerned about the influence of Islamism. But the things you hear from the right are like 95% conspiracy theories with little to no basis in fact.
Breitbart still says that Islamic jyhadists burned down a church in Dortmund; when in fact the church roof almost caught fire. On New Year's. Through fire works. Fired by Germans.
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dude there are no go areas for Swedish people in Sweden and your telling me its conspiracy theories.VivaStPauli wrote:Unique wrote:
are you really sitting behind a computer in the USA using reports and stats to tell him whats really going on where he actualy lived in Sweden. that's why I have endless arguments on this forum. people living thousands of miles away telling me I don't know whats going on out side my front door.
Dude; even if Thimmy lived in Sweden, which he doesn't:
He wouldn't live in all of Sweden simultaneously. Just because you know a guy who's cousin's friend got mugged that one time doesn't mean a crime epidemic is spreading through all of Scandinavia.
It's the same in the US, if you poll people what they think is happening, there's a slight majority of people who genuinely believe crime is at an all-time high, when in fact it's been steadily dropping since the 80s.
Same in Scandinavia; crime is down, each and every year, the 2015 spike in Sweden aside, even through steady immigration. People are just more aware of crime now, with Social Media, and conspiracy theorists spreading every single instance through all instances, to make it seem like an epidemic.
There isn't one.
Sure, there are problems with integration, assimilation, and immigration. And I would actually be willing to agree that some of the liberal stances are too risky, and I actually am a bit concerned about the influence of Islamism. But the things you hear from the right are like 95% conspiracy theories with little to no basis in fact.
Breitbart still says that Islamic jyhadists burned down a church in Dortmund; when in fact the church roof almost caught fire. On New Year's. Through fire works. Fired by Germans.
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VivaStPauli wrote:Unique wrote:
are you really sitting behind a computer in the USA using reports and stats to tell him whats really going on where he actualy lived in Sweden. that's why I have endless arguments on this forum. people living thousands of miles away telling me I don't know whats going on out side my front door.
Dude; even if Thimmy lived in Sweden, which he doesn't:
He wouldn't live in all of Sweden simultaneously. Just because you know a guy who's cousin's friend got mugged that one time doesn't mean a crime epidemic is spreading through all of Scandinavia.
It's the same in the US, if you poll people what they think is happening, there's a slight majority of people who genuinely believe crime is at an all-time high, when in fact it's been steadily dropping since the 80s.
Same in Scandinavia; crime is down, each and every year, the 2015 spike in Sweden aside, even through steady immigration. People are just more aware of crime now, with Social Media, and conspiracy theorists spreading every single instance through all instances, to make it seem like an epidemic.
There isn't one.
Sure, there are problems with integration, assimilation, and immigration. And I would actually be willing to agree that some of the liberal stances are too risky, and I actually am a bit concerned about the influence of Islamism. But the things you hear from the right are like 95% conspiracy theories with little to no basis in fact.
Breitbart still says that Islamic jyhadists burned down a church in Dortmund; when in fact the church roof almost caught fire. On New Year's. Through fire works. Fired by Germans.
While some of this may be true, what concerns me is that my girlfriend tells me she doesn't feel safe in this city anymore, just before a colleague of mine gets beaten up while taking a stroll along the lakeside together with his girlfriend, in the second case of blind violence occuring to someone from my workplace in a timespan of a month. Even some of my super laidback buddies in Sweden are moving out of the area they live in, because immigrant-related violence has gotten out of control. I'm not saying that immigration is the problem. Hell, some of those friends in Sweden are of middle eastern descent, but there is a problem when people start feeling unsafe due to increasing reports of violence.
I'm sure the crime rate was higher where I live during the early 90s, but that was mostly gang-related. Those gangs don't exist anymore, and I'd take shitty bikers and their organized crime over blind violence and rape in public areas, any day of the week. I don't listen to right wing propaganda, but clearly, the Scandinavian politicians are incompetent at making a system that works to sift out the bad seeds.
I mean, what the hell is this crap? People are just gonna show up, take a nap, write their name down, go home.
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I wonder why we don't see any of this crap in Russia.
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Unique wrote:I wonder why we don't see any of this crap in Russia.
Because you don't see any crap out of Russia the Russian government doesn't want you to.
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yeah or it could be that no way would Russians put up with the same shit the rest of us do. the russians would just get together and go out and break heads and the government would let them do it.VivaStPauli wrote:Unique wrote:I wonder why we don't see any of this crap in Russia.
Because you don't see any crap out of Russia the Russian government doesn't want you to.
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Am really amazed at people who look upto Russia and admire them lol. Russia has always been good to India and always have supported us on international stage yet I know that it's one fecked up country.
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there is a lot I don't like about Russia but I love the fact they don't take any shit.Lucifer wrote:Am really amazed at people who look upto Russia and admire them lol. Russia has always been good to India and always have supported us on international stage yet I know that it's one fecked up country.
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I spose a lot of it comes down to the people really. the brits have never been known as people that will just bend over for the enemy. some people do. some people just don't care if the women and young girls get raped in there own country as long as they can hold there head up high and say I'm not racist. but I am not one of them people.
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Unique wrote:there is a lot I don't like about Russia but I love the fact they don't take any shit.Lucifer wrote:Am really amazed at people who look upto Russia and admire them lol. Russia has always been good to India and always have supported us on international stage yet I know that it's one fecked up country.
Being tough guy and not giving shit outside of home is fine, coming home and beating shit outta wife and children is not. That's cowardice of highest degree.
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I 100% agree.Lucifer wrote:Unique wrote:there is a lot I don't like about Russia but I love the fact they don't take any shit.Lucifer wrote:Am really amazed at people who look upto Russia and admire them lol. Russia has always been good to India and always have supported us on international stage yet I know that it's one fecked up country.
Being tough guy and not giving shit outside of home is fine, coming home and beating shit outta wife and children is not. That's cowardice of highest degree.
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Unique wrote:I wonder why we don't see any of this crap in Russia.
Because Russia is for Russians first and foremost. At first glance such a claim might seem nationalistic but, in fact, this rhetoric has no racist inclination at all. Before anyone else, Russia is for those who are Russian ethnically and those who love Russia and have with Russia a lot in common, historically and culturally.
No wonder the West hates Russia and president Putin in particular because he is actually a leader who loves his own people!
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No wonder the West hates Russia and president Putin in particular because he is actually a leader who loves his own people!
right, so long as those people worship and don't criticize his corruption, then they may end up dying in an unfortunate accident
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Well, he once was a KGB agent, the corporation of killers. However, there is absolutely no evidence linking him to any of the murders. Motherfu*ker is not an amateur, clearly.
Nevertheless, Russia with Putin at the forefront is not the biggest threat of today. The great Vlad doesn't have to do anything at all. He can just sit down and watch how Western Europe in particular is bringing itself down with its policies.
Nevertheless, Russia with Putin at the forefront is not the biggest threat of today. The great Vlad doesn't have to do anything at all. He can just sit down and watch how Western Europe in particular is bringing itself down with its policies.
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Thimmy wrote:Betty La Fea wrote:Thimmy don't let the right wing talking points get to you.
A 2011 report by the Oslo Police District shows that of the 131 individuals charged with the 152 rapes in which the perpetrator could be identified, 45.8% were of African, Middle Eastern or Asian origin while 54.2% were of Norwegian, other European or American origin. In the cases of "assault rape", i.e. rape aggravated by physical violence, a category that included 6 of the 152 cases and 5 of the 131 identified individuals, the 5 identified individuals were of African, Middle Eastern or Asian origin. In the cases of assault rape where the individual responsible was not identified and the police relied on the description provided by the victim, 8 of the perpetrators were of African/dark-skinned appearance, 4 were Western/light/Nordic and 4 had an Asian appearance.[83]
By 2016, the official statistics showed that reported offences in Norway had been decreasing from 2001 to 2014,[84] while immigration increased in the same period.[85] There was a slight increase in crime of narcotics, but a decrease in theft. A new Norwegian penal code in 2015 changed the police reporting, thus breaking up the statistics.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Immigration_and_crime#Norway
The right wing gets their members by creating mythological pasts of how much better things were in the past. I'd be willing to bet you felt safer in the past because you were a kid, and kids are more trusting of the world around them because they don't have the jadedness that only comes from living. Same way I feel the early 90's were safer in America when it was literally the wild-wild west before crime drastically decreased. Don't let them get you.
The rape statistics of Oslo last year, was told to me by someone I know who's a police officer in Oslo. The same police officer who was recently told to say in an interview with the media that a certain group of gang rapists who escaped from the crime scene were of unknown origin, although he already had witness information confirming that the culprits were from Somalia. The rape victim later killed herself. I don't listen to far right A-holes, but I don't think the primarily Swedish and Norwegian issues related to immigration should just be brushed off as fabrications by said A-holes. Because our politicians are so afraid of being branded racists, they're not doing a proper job of integrating new immigrants into our society, and I think it's fkn tragic. Anyway, this discussion is pointless, I just had to get it off my chest.
That sounds like a bigger issue than immigrants IMO. Sounds more like government/police agency corruption.
Unique wrote:how long have you lived in England and Sweden.Betty La Fea wrote:Unique wrote:
the problem with your reports and stats are they are provided by people who out right lie about whats going on. I know that as a fact because you wouldn't beleave the stuff that's been covered up in Britain.
If the numbers are lies, then ALL the numbers are lies. We cant just cherry pick which numbers we want to believe because the same numbers saying crime decreased are from the same people who said immigrants are overrepresented in Crime. Its like people just want to believe whatever suits their worldview now. The number clearly says overall reported crime decreased as immigration continued.
Now now you know people like me aren't welcome in those places
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That sounds like a bigger issue than immigrants IMO. Sounds more like government/police agency corruption.
the government and police just cover it up they don't commit the crimes. well the police are under pressure from the government to cover it up I should say.
Thimmy wrote:Betty La Fea wrote:Thimmy don't let the right wing talking points get to you.
A 2011 report by the Oslo Police District shows that of the 131 individuals charged with the 152 rapes in which the perpetrator could be identified, 45.8% were of African, Middle Eastern or Asian origin while 54.2% were of Norwegian, other European or American origin. In the cases of "assault rape", i.e. rape aggravated by physical violence, a category that included 6 of the 152 cases and 5 of the 131 identified individuals, the 5 identified individuals were of African, Middle Eastern or Asian origin. In the cases of assault rape where the individual responsible was not identified and the police relied on the description provided by the victim, 8 of the perpetrators were of African/dark-skinned appearance, 4 were Western/light/Nordic and 4 had an Asian appearance.[83]
By 2016, the official statistics showed that reported offences in Norway had been decreasing from 2001 to 2014,[84] while immigration increased in the same period.[85] There was a slight increase in crime of narcotics, but a decrease in theft. A new Norwegian penal code in 2015 changed the police reporting, thus breaking up the statistics.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Immigration_and_crime#Norway
The right wing gets their members by creating mythological pasts of how much better things were in the past. I'd be willing to bet you felt safer in the past because you were a kid, and kids are more trusting of the world around them because they don't have the jadedness that only comes from living. Same way I feel the early 90's were safer in America when it was literally the wild-wild west before crime drastically decreased. Don't let them get you.
The rape statistics of Oslo last year, was told to me by someone I know who's a police officer in Oslo. The same police officer who was recently told to say in an interview with the media that a certain group of gang rapists who escaped from the crime scene were of unknown origin, although he already had witness information confirming that the culprits were from Somalia. The rape victim later killed herself. I don't listen to far right A-holes, but I don't think the primarily Swedish and Norwegian issues related to immigration should just be brushed off as fabrications by said A-holes. Because our politicians are so afraid of being branded racists, they're not doing a proper job of integrating new immigrants into our society, and I think it's fkn tragic. Anyway, this discussion is pointless, I just had to get it off my chest.
That sounds like a bigger issue than immigrants IMO. Sounds more like government/police agency corruption.
the government and police just cover it up they don't commit the crimes. well the police are under pressure from the government to cover it up I should say.
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So wait is immigration doing this in Scandinavia or refugees?
Because they are not the same thing unless you read only brainwashing right wing content.
Because they are not the same thing unless you read only brainwashing right wing content.
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Myesyats wrote:Unique wrote:I wonder why we don't see any of this crap in Russia.
Because Russia is for Russians first and foremost. At first glance such a claim might seem nationalistic but, in fact, this rhetoric has no racist inclination at all. Before anyone else, Russia is for those who are Russian ethnically and those who love Russia and have with Russia a lot in common, historically and culturally.
No wonder the West hates Russia and president Putin in particular because he is actually a leader who loves his own people!
That is such bullshit, Russia is a purely artificial construct, conquered by the Tsars, and has nothing to do with a unified people, "Russians" are diverse AF, Russia is only "for the Russians" in that nobody wants to go there, and gays are not welcome.
And "the West" doesn't "hate" Russia in particular, people here just tend to be highly suspicious of the autocratic way Russian "democracy" veers closer and closer to being a dictatorship. Opposition leaders there are murdered daily; how one can look at that and be "oh great, the government doesn't take shit from the opposition" is, frankly, baffling to me.
And all this talk of "people that don't bend over" is entire bullshit, ze Germans were the one people that had enough balls to destroy the Roman Empire, so according to you guys we must be super duper in the "not taking shit"-department, yet in the same breath, we apparently roll over and hand the country to our muslim overlords.
If your delusions were at least coherent, my days of not taking you guys seriously might eventually come to a middle...
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Myesyats wrote:Unique wrote:I wonder why we don't see any of this crap in Russia.
Because Russia is for Russians first and foremost. At first glance such a claim might seem nationalistic but, in fact, this rhetoric has no racist inclination at all. Before anyone else, Russia is for those who are Russian ethnically and those who love Russia and have with Russia a lot in common, historically and culturally.
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Thimmy wrote:VivaStPauli wrote:Unique wrote:
are you really sitting behind a computer in the USA using reports and stats to tell him whats really going on where he actualy lived in Sweden. that's why I have endless arguments on this forum. people living thousands of miles away telling me I don't know whats going on out side my front door.
Dude; even if Thimmy lived in Sweden, which he doesn't:
He wouldn't live in all of Sweden simultaneously. Just because you know a guy who's cousin's friend got mugged that one time doesn't mean a crime epidemic is spreading through all of Scandinavia.
It's the same in the US, if you poll people what they think is happening, there's a slight majority of people who genuinely believe crime is at an all-time high, when in fact it's been steadily dropping since the 80s.
Same in Scandinavia; crime is down, each and every year, the 2015 spike in Sweden aside, even through steady immigration. People are just more aware of crime now, with Social Media, and conspiracy theorists spreading every single instance through all instances, to make it seem like an epidemic.
There isn't one.
Sure, there are problems with integration, assimilation, and immigration. And I would actually be willing to agree that some of the liberal stances are too risky, and I actually am a bit concerned about the influence of Islamism. But the things you hear from the right are like 95% conspiracy theories with little to no basis in fact.
Breitbart still says that Islamic jyhadists burned down a church in Dortmund; when in fact the church roof almost caught fire. On New Year's. Through fire works. Fired by Germans.
While some of this may be true, what concerns me is that my girlfriend tells me she doesn't feel safe in this city anymore, just before a colleague of mine gets beaten up while taking a stroll along the lakeside together with his girlfriend, in the second case of blind violence occuring to someone from my workplace in a timespan of a month. Even some of my super laidback buddies in Sweden are moving out of the area they live in, because immigrant-related violence has gotten out of control. I'm not saying that immigration is the problem. Hell, some of those friends in Sweden are of middle eastern descent, but there is a problem when people start feeling unsafe due to increasing reports of violence.
I'm sure the crime rate was higher where I live during the early 90s, but that was mostly gang-related. Those gangs don't exist anymore, and I'd take shitty bikers and their organized crime over blind violence and rape in public areas, any day of the week. I don't listen to right wing propaganda, but clearly, the Scandinavian politicians are incompetent at making a system that works to sift out the bad seeds.
I mean, what the hell is this crap? People are just gonna show up, take a nap, write their name down, go home.
How hard it is to screen for proper educated civilized immigrants? U.S does it, Australia,Canada all does it yet Sweden ducked it up by bringing bunch of uncivilized lunatics who don't believe in western system, who totally believes girls wearing skimpy clothes are asking for it etc etc.. why? What is sudden urge to bring so many uncultured people? Do like U.S did. Slow and steady migration and migrants who actually produced more jobs instead of taking any.
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VivaStPauli wrote:That is such bullshit, Russia is a purely artificial construct, conquered by the Tsars, and has nothing to do with a unified people, "Russians" are diverse AF, Russia is only "for the Russians" in that nobody wants to go there, and gays are not welcome.
And "the West" doesn't "hate" Russia in particular, people here just tend to be highly suspicious of the autocratic way Russian "democracy" veers closer and closer to being a dictatorship. Opposition leaders there are murdered daily; how one can look at that and be "oh great, the government doesn't take shit from the opposition" is, frankly, baffling to me.
And all this talk of "people that don't bend over" is entire bullshit, ze Germans were the one people that had enough balls to destroy the Roman Empire, so according to you guys we must be super duper in the "not taking shit"-department, yet in the same breath, we apparently roll over and hand the country to our muslim overlords.
If your delusions were at least coherent, my days of not taking you guys seriously might eventually come to a middle...
Who told you this lie that American and developed European democracy is the greatest system of all and that everyone should submit to it? Such "democracy" is a generally a failure and the ultimate truth is that "it doesn't matter who votes but who counts the votes". On top of everything, democracies always fail because voters can not distinguish between good ideas and bad ideas. Europe is not strong right now, because of democracy.
Democracy is a system where idiots make decisions which lead to failure. The most renowned example is obviously the Athens where the introduction of democracy led to failure in miserable corrupcy, debauchery and stupidity. And so did any later democracy in history.
The moral of the story is, Russians are smart for not following the same idea of democracy as in America/developed Europe because that would get them messed up.
As far as I know, Russia is doing very good without your funny idea of democracy. Russia to pay off balance of Soviet-era debt within 45 days
Russians just wouldn't work under 'an American model', they need a real leader, a strong ruler with wider powers and not a carrot like Trump, Merkel or any other pseudo-leaders in Europe.
The control over thousands of government officials is illusory, and a bad king can always be overthrown.
Liberal democracy is the worst possible political system. It is proven both in theory and practice.
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Don't know who did this yet.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/uk-39355505
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/uk-39355505
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Let me guess, the identity of the attacker is "white, trans-lgbt-phobic cristian"
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