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Post by Hapless_Hans on Wed Nov 30, 2016 4:19 pm

Not just his players, also the FA letting Sir Alan Pardew down Sad

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Post by Jay29 on Thu Dec 01, 2016 10:55 pm

Some Southgate quotes from his presser. Seems a level-headed manager:

“I have seen what our younger age groups are doing against top nations,” he said. “To have an understanding of the players in the system, and to have seen other countries at those age groups and what we need to improve upon, that is an advantage for me.

“My big concern going into the summer’s finals was the lack of big‑match experience of a lot of those players [in Roy Hodgson’s squad]. We don’t have a squad like we had in 2004 or 2006, with a load of boys who had won the Champions League or played in its latter stages. That experience is going to have to come over time. I am going to have to accelerate that. But maybe, collectively, a bit of humility won’t be a bad thing: to admit this is where we’re at, but let’s look and see what is achievable and go for it.

“I’d love to sit here and dress it up a bit more. As a coach you always have to be positive in your thinking and the idea is to improve this team as much as possible as quickly as possible. But you can’t fast-track everything. What is important is I see a desire to improve, and a high potential, within this squad. It is a few years since we’ve had as this many English players playing in the Champions League, so they will benefit from that experience of top-level football and taste that pressure.”

“When you do have a permanent captain, as soon as you leave him out of the team it becomes a massive story. My ideal is what we had at Euro 96: six or seven guys who are captains of their club, who are men, who stand up and take responsibility on the field. You’ve got to have those characters who step up at different moments. I know some countries have leaders in the group, and the most capped player is captain on the match-day. There’s a lot for me to think about moving forwards on that.”

“With the under-21s over the last few years, there’s a group of senior players who, if standards aren’t met in various areas, are on to it. That shows you’ve got a good culture in the team. That’s far more powerful than the headteacher coming in and being the one that cracks the whip. That’s the standard you want, because they drive each other. If I’m a centre-back, and other centre-backs are in the gym at 10am, I want to be there at 9.30am because I want to be doing a bit more than him to get in the team. That’s a high-performance culture.”

https://www.theguardian.com/football/2016/dec/01/gareth-southgate-england-manager-psychological-tests?CMP=share_btn_tw

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Post by Doc on Fri Dec 02, 2016 1:06 am

Alan Pardew would have had England NT relegated to a whole different other sport like Badminton or Soft Ball and would still have the unmitigated gall to say he did great work.

As for Southgate, nice responses. Gives the impression he honestly knows what he wants and what he is working with. I wish him the best of luck.
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Post by Jay29 on Thu Mar 16, 2017 2:50 pm

Goalkeepers: Fraser Forster (Southampton), Joe Hart (Torino, on loan from Man City), Tom Heaton (Burnley).

Defenders: Ryan Bertrand (Southampton), Gary Cahill (Chelsea), Nathaniel Clyne (Liverpool), Phil Jones (Man Utd), Michael Keane (Burnley), Luke Shaw (Man Utd), Chris Smalling (Man Utd), John Stones (Man City), Kyle Walker (Tottenham).

Midfielders: Dele Alli (Tottenham), Michail Antonio (West Ham), Ross Barkley (Everton), Eric Dier (Tottenham), Adam Lallana (Liverpool), Jesse Lingard (Man Utd), Jake Livermore (West Brom), Alex Oxlade-Chamberlain (Arsenal), Nathan Redmond (Southampton), Raheem Sterling (Man City), James Ward-Prowse (Southampton).

Strikers: Jermain Defoe (Sunderland), Marcus Rashford (Man Utd), Jamie Vardy (Leicester).

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Post by Kaladin on Thu Mar 16, 2017 3:24 pm

@Jay29 wrote:

Strikers: Jermain Defoe (Sunderland),


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Post by Jay29 on Thu Mar 16, 2017 3:29 pm

Rooney and Kane are both injured. Sturridge and Welbeck simply haven't been playing enough. Hence 34 year old Defoe gets a call up to pad out our forward options.

Jake Livermore getting a call-up is far more concerning tbh.

Pleased to see Ward-Prowse and Redmond get chances, though. About time they graduated from the U21 set-up.

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Post by Don't call me James on Thu Mar 16, 2017 5:12 pm

That squad looks disgusting.
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Post by RealGunner on Thu Mar 16, 2017 6:19 pm

Had no idea Jack Livermore was in the PL.

What an absolute poverty squad
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Post by rincon on Thu Mar 16, 2017 6:22 pm

Seeing this squad I ask the UK crowd, is there any initiative from the FA (or equivalent) about youth teams or local talent or whatever else to improve English football?

This seems dire.
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Post by RealGunner on Thu Mar 16, 2017 6:32 pm

Lol no

Hasn't been there in the last 50 years.

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Post by Jay29 on Thu Mar 16, 2017 6:58 pm

@rincon wrote:Seeing this squad I ask the UK crowd, is there any initiative from the FA (or equivalent) about youth teams or local talent or whatever else to improve English football?

This seems dire.


There have been "attempts". Look up the Elite Player Performance Plan and the numerous restructurings of the youth leagues. They've made some changes to grassroots as well (smaller pitches and no points until U13 level, for example). Also, the FA's attempts to tighten up work permit rules on the misguided belief there are several "Harry Kanes" just rotting away in reserves not getting games.

The problem is that there's no unity in English football. The FA are incompetent, the Premier League are more concerned with bigging up their product and the Football League is in a constant fight for its own interest against the Premier League and Football League.

By far the biggest issue is the cost of coaching courses which leads to a far smaller number of qualified coaches than everyone else. It's faulty education being handed out to a very small group of people.

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Post by RealGunner on Thu Mar 16, 2017 10:38 pm

Just realised Southgate snubbed Walcott lol
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Post by Kick on Thu Mar 16, 2017 10:45 pm

Laughing

This team Laughing

Golden Generation well and truely gone.
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Post by Unique on Thu Mar 16, 2017 10:54 pm

@RealGunner wrote:Lol no

Hasn't been there in the last 50 years.

that's because the FA has always been full of old farts who know nothing about football. We need people in the FA that know the game from top to bottom.
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Post by Firenze on Sat Mar 18, 2017 8:00 pm

think we have the most players from a club in that squad Proud

seen pundits debating Defoe's inclusion in the squad earlier, don't really see the problem since Kane is out and Defoe is, as ridiculous as it sounds, probably a top 3 English striker at 34 or 35 lmao.

English football doesn't like bright in the future, 10 years ago I remember being outside playing football every day, would run into groups of people doing the same at the park or football grounds, had multiple football clubs running here and there during the week..nowadays you rarely see it, kids would rather be playing FIFA on their PS4. I think the FA need to be working closer with schools.
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Post by Unique on Sat Mar 18, 2017 8:02 pm

@Firenze wrote:think we have the most players from a club in that squad Proud

seen pundits debating Defoe's inclusion in the squad earlier, don't really see the problem since Kane is out and Defoe is, as ridiculous as it sounds, probably a top 3 English striker at 34 or 35 lmao.

English football doesn't like bright in the future, 10 years ago I remember being outside playing football every day, would run into groups of people doing the same at the park or football grounds, had multiple football clubs running here and there during the week..nowadays you rarely see it, kids would rather be playing FIFA on their PS4. I think the FA need to be working closer with schools.
what's that you say you have more players in the squad than anyone. All that means is you have more scrubs than anyone.
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Post by Firenze on Sat Mar 18, 2017 8:05 pm

all of those players would start for Pool and Arsenal though
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Post by Unique on Sat Mar 18, 2017 8:09 pm

@Firenze wrote:all of those players would start for Pool and Arsenal though
true. But if they did Arsenal and Liverpool would be 6th instead of you.
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Post by Jay29 on Wed Mar 22, 2017 6:42 pm

England playing a back three against Germany tonight:

Hart; Keane, Cahill, Smalling; Walker, Dier, Livermore, Bertrand; Lallana, Alli; Vardy

Dier-Livermore rofl

Germany:

ter Stegen; Kimmich, Rudiger, Hummels, Hector; Weigl, Kroos; Sane, Brandt, Podolski; Werner

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Post by Unique on Wed Mar 22, 2017 6:50 pm

Big test for Southgate tonight. Thought he got his tactics spot on in the Spain game.
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Post by Firenze on Wed Mar 22, 2017 7:20 pm

will be surprised if we're competitive with those scrubs
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Post by Jay29 on Wed Mar 22, 2017 8:01 pm

Good start from us. Pressing high and getting some joy with Vardy's runs behind Germany's high line.

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Post by sportsczy on Wed Mar 22, 2017 8:06 pm

Since when has England decided to use the France kits?
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Post by Unique on Wed Mar 22, 2017 8:07 pm

England playing well here tbh. That could all change if Germany take the lead though
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Post by rincon on Wed Mar 22, 2017 8:20 pm

Who is Livermore?
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Post by RealGunner on Wed Mar 22, 2017 8:20 pm

what an awful match
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