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Post by Unique Tue Jul 12, 2016 10:43 pm

RealGunner wrote:Hopefully it's just for a year or something
I would rarther give you the job tbh.

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Post by rwo power Tue Jul 12, 2016 11:22 pm

England never fails to entertain.

The only drawback is that it's for all the wrong reasons ^^
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Post by Hapless_Hans Tue Jul 12, 2016 11:37 pm

better than Klinsmann though. They could do much worse than Fat Sam.
I'm supportive of this choice.
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Post by Great Leader Sprucenuce Tue Jul 12, 2016 11:47 pm

No we couldn't lol, he manages relegation battled teams every season for a reason.

Disgraceful choice if he's manager, worse than hodgson tbh but I'm not surprised.
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Post by RealGunner Tue Jul 12, 2016 11:53 pm

He is definitely going to play Rooney lol
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Post by Katy Perry Tue Jul 12, 2016 11:59 pm

I understand that quality english coaches are not prominent right now but wtf is this thing about England NT pursuing foreigners coaches? First Capello, now Wenger was close too? What other NT does that? Not sure if England or Zambia.
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Post by Great Leader Sprucenuce Wed Jul 13, 2016 12:03 am

Because the coaches we have are awful lol.

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Post by Unique Wed Jul 13, 2016 12:24 am

I will kill someone if fluffy dice gets the job. Evil or Very Mad
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Post by Unique Wed Jul 13, 2016 12:25 am

pulis would be better than fat sam and he is welsh :facepalm:
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Post by Art Morte Wed Jul 13, 2016 6:08 am

If Allardyce gets chosen, England are going to win the 2018 WC smoking
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Post by Hapless_Hans Wed Jul 13, 2016 11:14 am

Great Leader Sprucenuce wrote:No we couldn't lol, he manages relegation battled teams every season for a reason.

Disgraceful choice if he's manager, worse than hodgson tbh but I'm not surprised.


Well, go on then, make a couple of suggestion of who would be better choices.
Realistic choices, which the FA could actually make right now, not Pep or Mourinho, or Tuchel, or Sarri.

I'd be interested to see where you arrive before you rubbish a possible Fat Sam appointment.
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Post by Kaladin Wed Jul 13, 2016 12:03 pm

People being harsh in Allerdyce for the sake of being harsh, got a feeling he'll do better than Hodgeson
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Post by Great Leader Sprucenuce Wed Jul 13, 2016 12:15 pm

Hapless_Hans wrote:
Great Leader Sprucenuce wrote:No we couldn't lol, he manages relegation battled teams every season for a reason.

Disgraceful choice if he's manager, worse than hodgson tbh but I'm not surprised.


Well, go on then, make a couple of suggestion of who would be better choices.
Realistic choices, which the FA could actually make right now, not Pep or Mourinho, or Tuchel, or Sarri.

I'd be interested to see where you arrive before you rubbish a possible Fat Sam appointment.


I don't need to because i know it would be a horrible appointment, in fact anyone with sense would.

I don't care who we appoint just as long as it isn't English as all the choices are crap. Actually advocating someone who outside of Bolton has a 35% win record in the PL. rofl
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Post by Jay29 Wed Jul 13, 2016 1:07 pm

All that'll happen is that we'll qualify for the World Cup, then exit the World Cup early on like usual and be back at square one again. England's problems extend beyond who the manager is, though the manager undoubtedly plays his part.

Allerdyce is just a boring, uninspired choice.

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Post by RealGunner Wed Jul 13, 2016 1:49 pm

Hope we play 4-4-2 tbh

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Post by Hapless_Hans Wed Jul 13, 2016 5:39 pm

Great Leader Sprucenuce wrote:
Hapless_Hans wrote:
Great Leader Sprucenuce wrote:No we couldn't lol, he manages relegation battled teams every season for a reason.

Disgraceful choice if he's manager, worse than hodgson tbh but I'm not surprised.


Well, go on then, make a couple of suggestion of who would be better choices.
Realistic choices, which the FA could actually make right now, not Pep or Mourinho, or Tuchel, or Sarri.

I'd be interested to see where you arrive before you rubbish a possible Fat Sam appointment.


I don't need to because i know it would be a horrible appointment, in fact anyone with sense would.

I don't care who we appoint just as long as it isn't English as all the choices are crap. Actually advocating someone who outside of Bolton has a 35% win record in the PL. rofl


Well, unlike you, the FA actually needs to appoint a manager, and therefore make a choice.
This choice is the one we have to judge, and to call it terrible without providing an example of who would not be a terrible choice is lazy and doesn't count. So try again.

Generally speaking, managers who are in midst of a successful club career don't stop to manage NTs, especially if their young.

Also generally speaking, it kind of makes sense to have a manager of your nationality to manage your NT. After all, it's supposed to be players of one nationality too.

Of course, this does not have to be a rule, but frankly England have tried out a foreign aging legend in Capello and it didn't work out either.

IMO it's not at all per se terrible to double down on the Englishness of your NT's football now.

In another thread (the poor and boring one) I linked that article by Jonathan Wilson which detailed how for NTs it's easy to be successful with a conservative, not very attractive and exciting 4-4-2-stand-compact-and-counter approach, since coaches don't have time to intricately train with the squd anyway. Get the basics right and your half way there.

In light of this, there's ample reason to consider someone like Allardyce as good (read: successful) a choice as a 'progessive coach'.
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Post by Kaladin Wed Jul 13, 2016 5:46 pm

+1 hans, hit the nail on the head
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Post by Great Leader Sprucenuce Wed Jul 13, 2016 5:47 pm

It didn't work out because we chose a poor coach style wise for the players we had, that doesn't mean we should turn our noses up at all european coaches for now on.

Besides it's not like choosing English has gone any better, in fact it's been worse.

I don't see why i should be forced to provide an example, i'm not paid to do so so bore off. Laughing

No idea why you are trying to be a contrarian to try and paint Allardyce in anything other than an awful choice tbh Laughing I don't even need to really argue the reasons, his record speaks for itself of why he'd be an awful choice.

West Ham going from perennial relegation candidates under him to fighting for CL spots with Bilic says it all and of course it's terrible to chose an English manager because they are all themselves terrible.
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Post by Hapless_Hans Wed Jul 13, 2016 5:52 pm

The West Ham Bilic argument is often used but a bit misleading IMO.
On the contrary, West Hame trajectory towards top 6 started already under Allardyce.
I remember well the season when suddenly they played great football, with Russell Brand kissing big Sam after a glorious win against City.

And yes, why won't you give an example of who you would think could be a good choice? It's called brainstorming, would like to hear your ideas tbh.
Because I had the initial same reaction ("Allardyce, really?!"), and then started to think about it and there's not that many better options coming to mind.
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Post by Great Leader Sprucenuce Wed Jul 13, 2016 5:56 pm

I don't care enough to give ideas i just know Allardyce won't be a good idea is all.

Also saying West Ham were trending towards top 6 Laughing is the equivalent of saying Nigel Pearson had Leicester trending towards the title before Ranieri lol.

He's never been anything close to that since Bolton, he's a footballing dinosaur who consistently keeps teams up and takes them no further. There is no coincidence in his career path.

In terms of English managers there may not be many better choices but that says it all about the state of English coaches. I want the best man for the job and quite clearly who ever that is he isn't English.


Can't believe i'm actually debating this in 2016. Laughing
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Post by Unique Wed Jul 13, 2016 6:33 pm

Fat Sam will bring that park the bus hoof it long kind of football we all love. England won't put 5 passes together but we be dangerous at corners. But look on the bright side. Fluffy dice will fix the midfield problem. It won't matter who plays in midfield because fat Sam likes to bypass the midfield anyway
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Post by Glory Wed Jul 13, 2016 7:26 pm

With Hans.
Allardyce will be a decent appointment. He will do much much better than Hodgson. But then again that wont say much as the latter had been beyond shit.

What FSam would bring is he will rally the troops really well. Hodgson was a failure on every level. FS even though wont offer much tactic wise he might just get the best out of these lads you have got. And in a short tournament especially in ko stages, little team spirit and passion can take you places.

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Post by Tomwin Lannister Wed Jul 13, 2016 8:12 pm

Might as well ask Wales if England can merge teams and the fans can hope 2 or 3 lads get in their team at this point.
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Post by LeBéninois Wed Jul 13, 2016 8:39 pm

I'd bet that England FA is very competent. If they chose Sam it's because he was the best available. However, they should have anticipated and looked for a new manager since before euro given that Roy H was not that great to begin with.
It's going to be very hard for england because if Sam is fired in one year the new manager is going to only have one year to prepare the team.

I'd go with a former manager who was not so bad. I really don't know if there any of them but imo a former manager won't make the same mistakes and he's going to deal better with the pressure.
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Post by Doc Fri Jul 15, 2016 8:40 am

English NT really is in some state of mediocrity when Fat Sam is looking like a reasonable option. All in the backdrop of the Premier League being the richest league in the world.

Seriously, Sam Allardyce is looking reasonable. A man whose biggest claim to fame is a Bolton side that punched above its weight for a brief time. Made 1 league cup final (lost to Middlesborough 2-1) and barely did anything in every other club he went.

Not only the football his teams play are pretty bland, they hardly win. And this guy is looking reasonable? You sure you guys aren't trolling?!
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Post by Jay29 Fri Jul 15, 2016 9:29 am

The guy in charge of signing the new manager did say he "wasn't a football expert" rofl

Allardyce was endorced by Ferguson apparently, who we all know only endorses the very best managers.

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