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Post by rincon on Wed Jul 27, 2016 11:02 pm

@luciano

you are really very patient, no one can take that from you. At least from myself I don't dismiss or dislike your opinions and debates on any other matter, its all good stuff.

Its just that this one is so, so wrong. Specially when you bring up that we hype Marchisio just because he Italian, and hate on Hernanes just because he is from Inter.

That could not be farther from the truth lol. Pick any, truly any, of our foreign players and they are still more valuable to us than Hernanes. Even Neto because he is quality whenever he plays.

And the Inter argument? ridiculous. Bonucci and Pirlo came from Inter. Juventinos can't love them more than we already do. Huge part of our teams. Higuain will come from Napoli and we still welcome him and get hyped. Dani Alves knocked us out of the last CL final and everyone still likes the signing. Its not what they did with our rivals that matters, its what they do with us.

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Post by lucianomoggi on Wed Jul 27, 2016 11:04 pm

@Tomwin Lannister wrote:Just like it makes HERNANES better. amirite?


Do me a favour and go to a Juve community outside of GL and continue this utter crap regarding our worst bench player being better than a future captain of the club.


and how does that make me wrong ?

what you telling is same as if I would tell you go into ISIS community and tell them there is no GOD, and just because of barbaric response of others doesn't make you wrong

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Post by Tomwin Lannister on Wed Jul 27, 2016 11:07 pm

Your opinion > the opinion of literally every other Juve fan on a Juve matter. Rightio.

No.

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Post by lucianomoggi on Wed Jul 27, 2016 11:09 pm

@rincon wrote: Bonucci and Pirlo came from Inter. Juventinos can't love them more than we already do. Huge part of our teams. Higuain will come from Napoli and we still welcome him and get hyped. Dani Alves knocked us out of the last CL final and everyone still likes the signing. Its not what they did with our rivals that matters, its what they do with us.


well I can find lots of formations that has been made before without PIRLO
I don't know for what reasons is just that some members believed he should be benched for some reasons do you know how upset that was making ??? I ignored that ,

Benching pIRLO ? are you serious? but I was reading favorite formations of members here and also on the goal, lot without PIRLO, but what do I do ? I just ignored that


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Post by rincon on Wed Jul 27, 2016 11:10 pm

way to address the point
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Post by Tomwin Lannister on Wed Jul 27, 2016 11:10 pm

@lucianomoggi wrote:
@Tomwin Lannister wrote:Just like it makes HERNANES better. amirite?


Do me a favour and go to a Juve community outside of GL and continue this utter crap regarding our worst bench player being better than a future captain of the club.


and how does that make me wrong ?

what you telling is same as if I would tell you go into ISIS community and tell them there is no GOD, and just because of barbaric response of others doesn't make you wrong


Except Juve fans aren't religious fanatics and Hernanes isn't GOD.


More like, going up to a bunch of mathematicians and telling them 1+1=17 and telling them 1+1=2 is wrnog.

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Post by lucianomoggi on Wed Jul 27, 2016 11:13 pm

@Tomwin Lannister wrote:Your opinion > the opinion of literally every other Juve fan on a Juve matter. Rightio.

No.


no that is not what I said,
I said just because someone is barbaric to me doesn't make me wrong,

just because a scientist gets killed on religious community for his claims doesn't make him wrong

I don't mean to say I am correct on everything I say, but the barbaric responses doesn't make me wrong

and I did not re-open this discussion , questions was made to me and I simply answered about Marchisio Ucl performances

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Post by Warrior on Wed Jul 27, 2016 11:15 pm

I'd say the 2016 mercato cements the 2011-2012 transfers, and what they represent for the team until now.

We could keep the exact same team as last year and have success, but 2016 marks the final steps of the five-year plan; the ambition is ultimately to win the Champions League.
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Post by lucianomoggi on Wed Jul 27, 2016 11:20 pm

why do you say juventus fans are no religious fanatics
football is the most fanatic religion and I am proud to be a fan and fanatic of football

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Post by salmano9 on Thu Jul 28, 2016 1:58 am

Put Hernanes in a CL final and watch him fail miserably.

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Post by S on Thu Jul 28, 2016 10:48 am

Pol Lirola to Sassuolo official. Two year loan.
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Post by lucianomoggi on Thu Jul 28, 2016 11:57 am

Conte loves to have fresh players and press forwards with all the team to win the ball , you can see his transfers with chelsea he doesnt really go for technical players he more wants guys like kante and i would say it isnt conte football style the path we was taking so it was best for both to move forwards

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Post by lucianomoggi on Thu Jul 28, 2016 12:16 pm

@salmano9 wrote:Put Hernanes in a CL final and watch him fail miserably.


Hernanes is a depth player,
If guys like pjanic, marchisio are injured or tired you have to play someone how hard is for you to understand it ?





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Post by salmano9 on Thu Jul 28, 2016 12:55 pm

@lucianomoggi wrote:
@salmano9 wrote:Put Hernanes in a CL final and watch him fail miserably.


Hernanes is a depth player,
If guys like pjanic, marchisio are injured or tired you have to play someone how hard is for you to understand it ?





If you are now saying that Hernanes is a depth player, why have you been arguing that Hernanes is better than Marchisio.

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Post by lucianomoggi on Thu Jul 28, 2016 1:07 pm

Yeah , thats a good question why?
Because be is a bench player and he plays better than starting xi players that was my point. It makes bim a luxury to have

I remember barcelona used to have xavi and iniesta in the middle and they got fabregas as a luxury option on the bench, thats the point

Real madrid has 30 million and more worth players in the bench we have hernanes 10 million and fans believe he is expensive he is not

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Post by Luca on Thu Jul 28, 2016 1:25 pm

Are we really comparing Hernanes with Fabregas, Isco, Kovacic and James?

Are we really comparing the budget of Real Madrid and Barcelona with Juventus?

And you don't see the problem?

If Hernanes had HALF of the impact of those players he would be a fan favourite but he's a useless bag of shit who did nothing in 15 games last season. It's not 2011 bro.
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Post by Andrew on Thu Jul 28, 2016 1:35 pm

This Hernanes debate is a vicious circle, there's absolutely no reason to keep it going since both sides have no intention to meet in the middle.

Just agree to disagree and let's move on with our lives.

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Post by Luca on Thu Jul 28, 2016 1:37 pm

Andrew_p wrote:This Hernanes debate is a vicious circle, there's absolutely no reason to keep it going since both sides have no intention to meet in the middle.

Just agree to disagree and let's move on with our lives.


Fair enough. I keep getting sucked in to this vortex of shit Laughing

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Post by rincon on Thu Jul 28, 2016 2:20 pm

@S wrote:Pol Lirola to Sassuolo official. Two year loan.


Here is an article from Gazzetta about the move:

http://www.gazzetta.it/calcio/nuove-forze-calcio/28-07-2016/sassuolo-lirola-juve-aspettando-berardi-un-anno-160501015665.shtml

Good move. With Vrsaljko sold he should have enough chances. Then in 2 years Litchsteiner and Dani Alves will be done so we will need a RB (or 2). It seems like we really have a plan set for the kid and not just infinite loans until we ship him out.

I've never really watched him, how good a prospect is he?


In the article they also go about Berardi and his likely coming next year.

Squinzi: "Domenico ha rifiutato la Juve forse perché non si sentiva pronto - ha spiegato il patron del club emiliano -. E poi uno come lui ha bisogno di giocare con continuità e nella Juve non sarebbe sicuramente successo. Ne riparleremo tra un anno"

"Domenico rejected the bianconeri because he didn't feel ready. One like him needs to play with continuity and at Juve it wouldn't be sure to be the case. We'll speak again after a year."

The kid takes his career very seriously at least. I think he is ready to make the jump to a big team, but he is right, at Juve he wont play so consistently. If he wanted Inter, Napoli or Milan he would play every week no doubt. But it seems like its Juve or Sassuolo. I like it Thumbs up Squinzi said that he is very attached to the team, and particularly to Di Francesco.


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Post by S on Thu Jul 28, 2016 2:21 pm

Andrew_p wrote:This Hernanes debate is a vicious circle, there's absolutely no reason to keep it going since both sides have no intention to meet in the middle.

Just agree to disagree and let's move on with our lives.


Thumbs up

It's leading to unnecessary bickering. Let's just move on and ignore if you don't like reading certain posts. An exciting year lies ahead of us anyway.
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Post by rincon on Thu Jul 28, 2016 2:45 pm

http://www.football-italia.net/88465/%E2%80%98gabigol-wants-juventus%E2%80%99

His agent: "Gabigol wants Juventus"
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Post by salmano9 on Thu Jul 28, 2016 6:35 pm

He's gone. $-$

A move he will surely regret, ala Di Maria...

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Post by juve_gigi on Thu Jul 28, 2016 9:53 pm

Don't worry, fat man will be collecting at least another two, maybe three agent fees from Pogba. Pogba is his retirement fund. He will be sold at least two more times in his career.

Next stop is Real Madrid. I'll give him three years MAX at ManU before Raiola realizes he's low on cash...

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Post by salmano9 on Thu Jul 28, 2016 10:04 pm

Wtf... We will pay Fat man's fee! And the deal is going through for 110 only!

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Post by Tomwin Lannister on Thu Jul 28, 2016 10:09 pm

No, United are

And it's 110M plus some small bonuses from everything I've read.

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