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Doctor Alves becomes the most decorated footballer of all-time, Messi surpasses Pele at age 28.
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Most competitive team titles (no fixed or invitational)
35 D.Alves
34 Giggs
33 Iniesta
31 Eusebio
30 Messi
29 Pele
...
23 Cruyff
22 Di Stefano
21 Beckenbauer
17 Ronaldo
16 C.Ronaldo
15 Zidane
12 Maradona
Most competitive team titles (no fixed or invitational)
35 D.Alves
34 Giggs
33 Iniesta
31 Eusebio
30 Messi
29 Pele
...
23 Cruyff
22 Di Stefano
21 Beckenbauer
17 Ronaldo
16 C.Ronaldo
15 Zidane
12 Maradona
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The way he use to attack the flanks in 2008 was a revolution in Barca
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I see a tie...with a certain Welsh lad
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Without much research: Xavi, Iniesta, Gerd Müller, Paco Gento and the likes are probably the most decorated. Alves, Messi, Giggs just have inflated amount of Community Shield/Super Cup trophies. Giggs has 9 Community Shields and 4 League Cups, that's more than a third of his entire trophy haul. No one cares.
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futbol wrote:Without much research: Xavi, Iniesta, Gerd Müller, Paco Gento and the likes are probably the most decorated. Alves, Messi, Giggs just have inflated amount of Community Shield/Super Cup trophies. Giggs has 9 Community Shields and 4 League Cups, that's more than a third of his entire trophy haul. No one cares.
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Every fanboy is welcomed in this thread, please share your onions.
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Pretty meaningless stat since the number and nature of "side" competitions changes a lot with time and country. Not hating on Alves, stellar career.
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yeah supercups, whether domestic or Europe, and CWC didn't exist back in the day.
The best stat is the top competitions. Namely:
- League
- Europe
- NT Europe
- World Cup
- Copa America
- Libertadores
The best stat is the top competitions. Namely:
- League
- Europe
- NT Europe
- World Cup
- Copa America
- Libertadores
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That's kind of true, 14 of Pele's and Eusebios titles were regional, 3 of Alves. Taking regional titles out:rincon wrote:Pretty meaningless stat since the number and nature of "side" competitions changes a lot with time and country. Not hating on Alves, stellar career.
Most competitive national team titles (no fixed or invitational)
34 Giggs
32 Iniesta
31 D.Alves
29 Messi
...
23 Cruyff
22 Di Stefano
21 Beckenbauer
16 Eusebio
16 C.Ronaldo
15 Ronaldo
15 Zidane
15 Pele
12 Maradona
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futbol wrote:Without much research: Xavi, Iniesta, Gerd Müller, Paco Gento and the likes are probably the most decorated. Alves, Messi, Giggs just have inflated amount of Community Shield/Super Cup trophies. Giggs has 9 Community Shields and 4 League Cups, that's more than a third of his entire trophy haul. No one cares.
Agree though Müller has only 4 league titles. Cruyff, for example, has 10.
Xavi has 8 league titles, 4 CL trophies, a world cup and 2 european cups. But of course the super cups from Alves are worth more

Giggs has 13 league titles though, he's legit. Can't expect international trophies from a welshman.
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I'm still waiting RealGunner's expert opinion though. 

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If I had to rank it in a weighted point system, I'd rank it something like this:
World Cup: 1000 points
European Championship/Copa America: 200 points
Champions league: 100 points
Domestic League Title: 80 points
Domestic Cup: 20 points
Supercups: 5 points
So if, for example, you have Player A who has a World Cup and Player B who has 10 Supercups, it would be 1 vs. 10 titles but 1000 decoration points vs. 50 decoration points (I claim a patent on this concept).
World Cup: 1000 points
European Championship/Copa America: 200 points
Champions league: 100 points
Domestic League Title: 80 points
Domestic Cup: 20 points
Supercups: 5 points
So if, for example, you have Player A who has a World Cup and Player B who has 10 Supercups, it would be 1 vs. 10 titles but 1000 decoration points vs. 50 decoration points (I claim a patent on this concept).
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That's so much calculations why go into such troubles when you can just copy paste it from some irrelevant site without actuay thinking over it. 

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What about era adjustment coefficient?
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futbol wrote:If I had to rank it in a weighted point system, I'd rank it something like this:
World Cup: 1000 points
European Championship/Copa America: 200 points
Champions league: 100 points
Domestic League Title: 80 points
Domestic Cup: 20 points
Supercups: 5 points
So if, for example, you have Player A who has a World Cup and Player B who has 10 Supercups, it would be 1 vs. 10 titles but 1000 decoration points vs. 50 decoration points (I claim a patent on this concept).
Imo you should add extra points for winning a competition the first time

For example 2 leagues + 1 CL +1 Cup is imo > than 4 leagues without CL.
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futbol wrote:If I had to rank it in a weighted point system, I'd rank it something like this:
World Cup: 1000 points
European Championship/Copa America: 200 points
Champions league: 100 points
Domestic League Title: 80 points
Domestic Cup: 20 points
Supercups: 5 points
So if, for example, you have Player A who has a World Cup and Player B who has 10 Supercups, it would be 1 vs. 10 titles but 1000 decoration points vs. 50 decoration points (I claim a patent on this concept).
Isn't 1000 points too much in comparasion to CL's 100 ? Maybe 500 for the WC is more appropiate
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I would probably rank it in actual involvement.
Carrying 1000 points
Best player 600 points
Top 3 player 200 points
Team Player 150 points
Squad player 100 points
Fake player 5 points
For example team players like Xavi, Iniesta, Giggs and fakes like Cronaldo and Suarez would get hammered in actual relative performances.
Carrying 1000 points
Best player 600 points
Top 3 player 200 points
Team Player 150 points
Squad player 100 points
Fake player 5 points
For example team players like Xavi, Iniesta, Giggs and fakes like Cronaldo and Suarez would get hammered in actual relative performances.
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Harmonica wrote:I would probably rank it in actual involvement.
Carrying 1000 points
Best player 600 points
Top 3 player 400 points
Team Player 150 points
Squad player 100 points
For example team players like Xavi, Iniesta and Giggs would get hammered in actual relative performances.
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Harmonica wrote:I would probably
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Every onion is appreciated here.zigra wrote:Harmonica wrote:I would probably
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Valkyrja wrote:futbol wrote:If I had to rank it in a weighted point system, I'd rank it something like this:
World Cup: 1000 points
European Championship/Copa America: 200 points
Champions league: 100 points
Domestic League Title: 80 points
Domestic Cup: 20 points
Supercups: 5 points
So if, for example, you have Player A who has a World Cup and Player B who has 10 Supercups, it would be 1 vs. 10 titles but 1000 decoration points vs. 50 decoration points (I claim a patent on this concept).
Isn't 1000 points too much in comparasion to CL's 100 ? Maybe 500 for the WC is more appropiate
Yeah, maybe. The World Cup is THE prize in football though. A professional footballer gets maybe 3 chances at best to win it throughout his career. Take Xavi: came off an ACL injury season in 2006 and was past his peak in 2014. So he basically only had 1 chance to play a World Cup at his best. CL is every single season. You get a dozen chances to win it in your best years (let's say 20 - 32 years old). So I personally weight the WC extra high but it's not an official formula so you can rank it differently of course.

zigra wrote:futbol wrote:If I had to rank it in a weighted point system, I'd rank it something like this:
World Cup: 1000 points
European Championship/Copa America: 200 points
Champions league: 100 points
Domestic League Title: 80 points
Domestic Cup: 20 points
Supercups: 5 points
So if, for example, you have Player A who has a World Cup and Player B who has 10 Supercups, it would be 1 vs. 10 titles but 1000 decoration points vs. 50 decoration points (I claim a patent on this concept).
Imo you should add extra points for winning a competition the first time
For example 2 leagues + 1 CL +1 Cup is imo > than 4 leagues without CL.
Good point, much appreciated. My formula is in the alpha state. I will release the final version in RG time.

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Added Neymar as he actually has decorated himself with 14 titles already.
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actually good point.it explains why Pedro will never be considered better than R9Harmonica wrote:I would probably rank it in actual involvement.
Carrying 1000 points
Best player 600 points
Top 3 player 200 points
Team Player 150 points
Squad player 100 points
Fake player 5 points
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Harmonica wrote:Added Neymar as he actually has decorated himself with 14 titles already.
Doesnt matter, majority of them were given by Futbol. E.g Nikemar
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Kebab wrote:actually good point.it explains why Pedro will never be considered better than R9Harmonica wrote:I would probably rank it in actual involvement.
Carrying 1000 points
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