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Post by Valkyrja Wed May 04, 2016 6:01 pm

Dani Carvajal is the best Right Back in the world right now 9e73ea145c26745f6f875d5f1bc2667f

Also has dat GOAT beard
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Post by Kaladin Wed May 04, 2016 6:15 pm

Juanfran is the best
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Post by Lucifer Wed May 04, 2016 6:21 pm

Yes he is! cheers

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Post by rincon Wed May 04, 2016 6:25 pm

Juanfran
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Post by halamadrid2 Wed May 04, 2016 6:45 pm

Juanfran cant even defend against Juanpi from Malaga. Him and Luis are carried by the catenacio tactics that Simeone employs. Even a finished Ribery turned him inside out
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Post by rincon Wed May 04, 2016 6:50 pm

Him and Luis aren't carried by anyone. Him and Luis are central to Atletico's game. They do an unreal amount of work every game and shine. The tactics don't make them look good, they make the tactics work.
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Post by halamadrid2 Wed May 04, 2016 6:59 pm

Even Arbeloa would look good in that team. What tactics?? They park their way to wins winning 1-0 through some jammy goal with around 3 shots on target every game. When you know how to tackle their tactics getting past their fullbacks become a piece of cake
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Post by rincon Wed May 04, 2016 7:06 pm

If its a piece of cake then why, after 5 seasons of Simeone, do they still beat Barca, Madrid, Bayern and get to a CL final?

Luis was the best player on the pitch in the 180min against Bayern. Atletico rely on their fullbacks more than almost any team.
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Post by Doc Wed May 04, 2016 7:08 pm

For both Dani and Juanfran to be in a discussion for best RB in the world, something went awfully wrong in the fullback developmental process in clubs.

That being said, Hala isn't wrong. Juanfran struggled against Juanpi Sad Also, I really wouldn't call Juanfran better than Caravan. The former has become a solid fullback (or maybe he always was and I never noticed) but Dani is just better at what Juanfran does including defending.

P.S Does Lahm still play RB because I would have gladly chosen him over both of them.
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Post by rincon Wed May 04, 2016 7:12 pm

Lahm is for sure the best RB around but I don't know if he plays it consistently with Pep nowadays. He played RB against Atletico though. If he counts then

Lahm>Juanfran>Carvajal
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Post by Casciavit Wed May 04, 2016 7:22 pm

Apart from Pep's first season, Lahm has been Bayern's starting RB in 95% of games in the past 2 years. He's still very good and hasn't noticeably declined yet.
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Post by sportsczy Wed May 04, 2016 7:25 pm

Juanfran a good RB let alone the best Laughing  Peeps need to actually watch him for Spain where he is a disaster.  He can't hold his side 1v1 against the top players.  Atleti give him a lot of cover.  The problem for Atleti is that the better RBs are all going to more prestigious clubs because there aren't that many of them.  

Still remember his turnover against France in WC qualifying that led to Giroud's game tying goal at the last minute Laughing  Not only did he get the ball stolen...  Ribery then raped him (again) to make the cross.

With Atleti... you have to realize that it's all about team defense, not individually talented defenders.  There's a reason Juanfran looks terrible for Spain and Enrique barely played for Chelsea and had no offers in EPL after that.  Miranda, who looked all world at Atleti, looks just decent for Inter.  Atleti play very very compact and everyone helps out. The back 4 have far less real estate to cover and get quicker help than any other team.

To me, the best fullbacks are the ones that you can leave on an island against almost anyone and they can handle it.
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Post by titosantill Wed May 04, 2016 8:40 pm

i'm not sure there is any best right back to be honest. i feel a lot of positions in this day and age don't really have a 'best', we just pick a player from whoever wins a title with a team and slot them in that position. sometimes we can argue about which right back or player has had the better season, but a lot of times that's lost in team performances. you have people whose teams aren't often put on the backfoot, and whose defensive players aren't always forced to defend, yet because they win, we automatically hail their defensive players as the best in said position. they're having good seasons though....but seriously who can we label the best defender presently? almost everyone cb has some profound problem with their defense these days

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Post by halamadrid2 Thu May 05, 2016 12:43 am

rincon wrote:If its a piece of cake then why, after 5 seasons of Simeone, do they still beat Barca, Madrid, Bayern and get to a CL final?

Luis was the best player on the pitch in the 180min against Bayern. Atletico rely on their fullbacks more than almost any team.


Beat us when?? LaLiga??? We arent bottlers like Barca and Bayern. When it mattered we have always beat them in knockout competitions. In fact they cant score against us then. LaLiga is easier for them because of how we set up the team to play them. We dont play that undisciplined in cups
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Post by Lucifer Thu May 05, 2016 1:21 am

"Bottler Barca" have 4 CL cups in last decade how many RM has? That stepping up in big matches rofl. So you beat them in final courtsey of a brainfart moment from a header at freaking 90 mins and actually let yourselves believe that you have their number? Really? Really?. Also that "we set up team differently in LA Liga rofl   fo what exactly you set up ur team in Liga huh? Getting roflstomped/raped at Calderon or getting Molested at home in front of home crowd? Everyone knows you are their bitch for years now so don't come out and say you know how to beat them.  Because u don't.

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Post by Doc Thu May 05, 2016 3:11 am

It was just banter.
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Post by Myesyats Thu May 05, 2016 4:56 am

I don't think it was banter. Hala just says such BS stuff on a daily basis.

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Post by rincon Thu May 05, 2016 5:00 am

halamadrid2 wrote:
rincon wrote:If its a piece of cake then why, after 5 seasons of Simeone, do they still beat Barca, Madrid, Bayern and get to a CL final?

Luis was the best player on the pitch in the 180min against Bayern. Atletico rely on their fullbacks more than almost any team.


Beat us when?? LaLiga??? We arent bottlers like Barca and Bayern. When it mattered we have always beat them in knockout competitions. In fact they cant score against us then. LaLiga is easier for them because of how we set up the team to play them. We dont play that undisciplined in cups


rofl Yes! La Liga! you know, that competition that happens from august to may every year? Now Madrid set up undisciplined on purpose to lose La Liga games Laughing And somehow they aren't bottlers like Barca and Bayern who are on a trebble and a double.

rofl this forum
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Post by The Demon of Carthage Thu May 05, 2016 5:46 am

Atlético plays as a team; and as a result, most of their individual weaknesses fly under the radar. I think Juanfran is decent, but certainly not the best. You'd have to be an absolute beast to do what Carvajal is doing both in defense and attack with little help and acres of space to cover. He's the best.
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Post by farfan Thu May 05, 2016 9:50 pm

Lucifer wrote: So you beat them in final courtsey of a brainfart moment from a header at freaking 90 mins and actually  

How ironic .
The only brainfart in that match was the Casillas howler that gifted Atletico their ( undeserved )  goal . Laughing

The notion that Madrid somehow " stole " that game is beyond ridiculous considering the fact that they dominated Atleti  and had more clear chances . Laughing
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Post by Valkyrja Fri May 06, 2016 4:18 am

farfan wrote:
Lucifer wrote: So you beat them in final courtsey of a brainfart moment from a header at freaking 90 mins and actually  

How ironic .
The only brainfart in that match was the Casillas howler that gifted Atletico their ( undeserved )  goal . Laughing

The notion that Madrid somehow " stole " that game is beyond ridiculous considering the fact that they dominated Atleti  and had more clear chances . Laughing


More clear chances ? 'Chances' is enough, Atletico didn't even enter our half in after they had scored
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Post by Kebab Fri May 06, 2016 5:57 am

Cant believe how lucky Zidane is
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Post by Hapless_Hans Tue Aug 09, 2016 5:38 pm

great player, likeable guy.
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Post by Great Leader Sprucenuce Tue Aug 09, 2016 5:38 pm

You moving on from Bellerin Hans hmm
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