Zidane Sack Watch

Doc wrote:He is the enemy, lol. I would like to think the club is the club's worst enemy but whatever.

Anyway, you're confusing our fandom with the world of work. He is a manager, a very good one I may add and Real Madrid has a job vacancy. There is nothing wrong, disgraceful or shameful in wanting the best for their organisation and Madrid, if one is to believe said rumour, queried his availability.

Of course, the reality is that it probably never happened nor would it ever happen but there is nothing bad about the rumour. And Madrid can do way more disgraceful things that would warrant any sort of rage than apparently wanting a former Barcelona manager.

If he were to come here and win big, we would never hear the end of it from Barca fans.. They will say that it took a Cule for us to find success and we would be the laughing stock of the football world

He's more than just a 'former Barca manager', you know that

So when Zidane says today "The best way to avoid defending is to have the ball. So we are going to try to do that", isnt that a "Guardiolesque" idea?

we should probably sack him

Mr Nick09 wrote:Could you please explain to me how Pep is overrated? i am very curious to know

how about getting destroyed in back to back cl semi finals?

all hail the super genius manager .

chad4401 wrote:

Mr Nick09 wrote:Could you please explain to me how Pep is overrated? i am very curious to know

how about getting destroyed in back to back cl semi finals?

all hail the super genius manager .

And that's supposed to be an argument now?

You actually think losing 2 back to back Champions League semi finals is what , proof of your biased opinion? Any sort of ..what exactly? Guardiola lost both times to the winner of each competition , where is the shame in that? Because he lost by that score or the other? What is he , Mazzari to sit back and park it?

You really are sarcastic about a coach who , it's freaking news if he is not in the CL semi finals . That's how lame that was.

Guardiola over rated

LeSwagg James wrote:

Doc wrote:He is the enemy, lol. I would like to think the club is the club's worst enemy but whatever.

Anyway, you're confusing our fandom with the world of work. He is a manager, a very good one I may add and Real Madrid has a job vacancy. There is nothing wrong, disgraceful or shameful in wanting the best for their organisation and Madrid, if one is to believe said rumour, queried his availability.

Of course, the reality is that it probably never happened nor would it ever happen but there is nothing bad about the rumour. And Madrid can do way more disgraceful things that would warrant any sort of rage than apparently wanting a former Barcelona manager.

If he were to come here and win big, we would never hear the end of it from Barca fans.. They will say that it took a Cule for us to find success and we would be the laughing stock of the football world

He's more than just a 'former Barca manager', you know that

Really? What Barcelona fans say is your concern if we win with Pep? If ever we hire Pep, hell, if we hire that pos Lucho and I dislike that man with everything I have and win a Clasico with him, far less for a title, I would literally go by Futbol's home and shove a middle finger to his face and probably his dog Schnitzel.

I am well aware of the political ramifications of hiring a former Barcelona legend as a manager hence I know it would never happen and Pep is basically Mr. Catalunya to even consider going to the interview meeting but there is nothing wrong with the rumour. Honestly...

@dante its not about the loss, wise up i said he got destroyed, did he not?

why is he exempt from criticism for being on the receiving end of some heavy losses? im not discrediting any of his achievements, its something that common in footy nowadays if your hyped enough your almost treated flawless and other managers or players similar situations get dragged through the mud.

Doc, do you realize how active Guardiola has been in the independence movement? He has actually said he might run for a political position. There is absolute no way he would ever be accepted in Madrid, but by same token he would never consider coming.

I know you just want the best manager out there to be at Madrid, but there are political implications, nothing to do with futbol nor the rivalry between RM and Barca.

My argument is not about what my wants are. If I have to choose a coach I would love to be back here, it would Don Vicente. My point was there is nothing inherently wrong with the rumour Madrid approached Pep. From a work perspective, it makes sense. Madrid would have had a job vacancy and Pep is one of the best managers around.

I'm no boo boo or is my head under a rock. Well aware of the political ramifications. Just stating that from a strictly world of work scenario, nothing really bad about the rumour.

chad4401 wrote:@dante its not about the loss, wise up i said he got destroyed, did he not?

why is he exempt from criticism for being on the receiving end of some heavy losses? im not discrediting any of his achievements, its something that common in footy nowadays if your hyped enough your almost treated flawless and other managers or players similar situations get dragged through the mud.

What manager hasn't been destroyed? Ancelotti lost to depor and then managed to lose a game after winning 3-0 at HT

Del Bosque got absolutely demolished by Super Depor and humiliated by Netherlands. Saying someone is ovverated because of big losses is a bit daft tbh.

We lost 6-1 to City at home ffs under SAF but I suppose he's ovverated as well.

He is rated as a top coach because of the way he gets his teams to play.

lmao this forum at it peak, any other manager than lost in those back to back semi, like pep did would be destroyed on this forum, he is managing super bayern here remember? not washed up manu .

chad4401 wrote:@dante its not about the loss, wise up i said he got destroyed, did he not?

why is he exempt from criticism for being on the receiving end of some heavy losses? im not discrediting any of his achievements, its something that common in footy nowadays if your hyped enough your almost treated flawless and other managers or players similar situations get dragged through the mud.

and i don't disagree with any of that in particular , but it still doesn't make him over rated ? Why is he over rated , just because he lost by a slightly bigger margin that's considered "ok" to lose? Because other than that , he simply lost to the eventual winners and better teams of each competition , no shame in that really . Of course he has his own merits of fair criticism , particularly against Real , but 2 CL semi finals in a row is an accomplishment on it's own however you want to look at it .

one thing to be over rated , other completely to assume people aren't critical. Many are still highly critical regardless , fans and doubters alike. Do you really say that with honesty , that he's bereft of criticism . Of course he isn't , and i doubt even his biggest supports think him flawless.

I also mentioned the same point , the scores he lost with Bayern, and all i have to say once again is that he played and lost to the eventual winners thus against worthy opponents , facing them face to face. No shame whatsoever in any of that.

He would never just sit back not to be ridiculed , or in fear of, played straight and lost 4-0 and what not , and? Better bring up a legit argument other than 'got destroyed' , everyone 'got destroyed' at some point , doesn't mean they are overrated .

From Ancelotti to Ferguson , to Wenger and Mourinho , to fk me think of anyone you can, all 'got destroyed' at some point. Not a good argument really. In any case , just the mere fact he's back to back in CL semi finals is something deserving high praise , but just because it's Guardiola some even take it for granted , 'oh just a CL semi final , Real/Barcelona rekt Bayern lel' ..

You would try to convince me Pep is somehow over rated because he couldn't win any of the 2 CL semi finals in a row he managed to get himself into , damn that over rated scrub lost 4-0 against Real and lost to Barca fair and square.

K

lets take a step back here when pep was announced as SUPER BAYERN manager, everybody and their grandma were expecting at least a back to back cl, that how strong the team looked before pep and with the super genius manager, the dominance of europe was about to happen, in the the end get smashed twice in a row and it no big deal, third times the charm, he is the the bestest evah seriously? he is overrated cause he clearly didn't live up the hype end of story.

this reminds of how fans all over the world fell in love with carlo as soon as he got sacked, everybody adored him now and overlooked all his mistake etc..., because its more trendy than ever to do so, look at the how many instant feels for rafa now out of the blue because its trendy, rememer when inter sacked him? how funny that was?

facts are facts, if we gonna call footy what have you done for me lately business wth has pep done? we all know the real goal is the cl and he failed to deliver for now.

just shut the *bleep* up chad, you clown.

everyone was expecting back to back cls yeah right

if you expected this only shows what how clueless you are

this forum

yeah right you know its true, your telling me you didn't expect pep to win the cl in his first season? which would have been back to back you clown .

didn't your stupid team celebrated when matched with RM?

chad4401 wrote:lets take a step back here when pep was announced as SUPER BAYERN manager, everybody and their grandma were expecting at least a back to back cl, that how strong the team looked before pep and with the super genius manager, the dominance of europe was about to happen, in the the end get smashed twice in a row and it no big deal, third times the charm, he is the the bestest evah seriously? he is overrated cause he clearly didn't live up the hype end of story.

this reminds of how fans all over the world fell in love with carlo as soon as he got sacked, everybody adored him now and overlooked all his mistake etc..., because its more trendy than ever to do so, look at the how many instant feels for rafa now out of the blue because its trendy, rememer when inter sacked him? how funny that was?

facts are facts, if we gonna call footy what have you done for me lately business wth has pep done? we all know the real goal is the cl and he failed to deliver for now.

Sure people expected a strong push for the CL . Basically here's what actually happened , make the CL semi finals as bare minimum and go from there , then it's a total different beast. He did it , twice. That was the realistic target for Bayern , especially after a CL win. That's basically what all clubs who can compete for the CL set as minimum target in the CL, Perez logicz don't really count , sorry .

Does that make Guardiola over rated becaused he managed to get into 2 consecutive CL semi finals and was defeated ? Yes he didn't deliver , but in what manner? Not in any 'fail' manner , that's for sure. Of the most decent attempts i've seen , no fails , no flukes . Got there deservedly so and went home deservedly so , once again. Where in any of that do you see he's over rated? I literally fail to grasp it all. SINCE WHEN it's making CL semi finals in quick succession a failure ffs

I am almost out of arguments at this point .. i think we both made our points about this .

You keep your opinion , i keep mine , all's good anyway.

Friendly piece of advice though , discrediting your opponents with such petty arguments , past or present , only makes your own victories against them count as less worthy .

Your entire La Decima hyper glorified campaign would almost be just as over rated having a rather easy road to the final and then some , coming up against this over rated coach and his "SUPER BAYERN", only winning it almost by fluke , moments before defeat against Atletico in the final... is he still over rated now ..? i think we can now agree if you want , that's where your logic leads to really

It doesn't really take much insight , but then again it takes certain things one must understand about this game , and i can tell you likely do not , if you really and truly believe a coach like Guardiola is over rated.

smh mou off treble winning season was a god, 5-0 happened he has been on earth since, he has been to the cl semi 3 times and failed, and his tenure at madrid was deemed a failure, so much for that genius tactician, rm played some of the worst footy i have ever seen, how everybody loved him .

now super genius pep stomping through bundi winning the league in November, any decent team he came across super bayern looked a little thin, then 2 on par teams on paper vs super bayern, he got destroyed where is the genius and magic in that? he is a great manager nothing more if pep get blown out again this season won't prove anything either right?

pls don't try to question my knowledge, the amount scrub managers and players you lot gush on about, turned out to be frauds in 1 or 2 season, same poster dumping on them like no tomorrow.

Stick to defending Benzema chad. You've got enough on your hands there. This is above your paygrade.

Shit is *bleep* up when a manager can get to the semi final every year as a coach in his career and it being considered a failure no matter how much talent he may have.

yes true pep having 2 identical seasons blow up in his face how masterful .

you're just piling on the embarassing cluelessness chad.

It's no wonder though since you're brain isn't used to doing any thinking, since usually you only post the same stuff about the same topic no matter what the occasion

did pep live up to bayern expectations? the media hype? the fan hype? hell no.

when bayern fails again i look forward to your excuses.

wondering how losing home and away combined score 11-2 ffs really? that doesn't count much?

chad4401 wrote:did pep live up to bayern expectations? the media hype? the fan hype? hell no.

when bayern fails again i look forward to your excuses.

I can only speak for myself . Yes , yes and yes . Winning the CL isn't anyone's right , or prerogative . Or best chance by paper , or whatever you want name it. Certainly doesn't make you over rated if you don't win it in 2 years losing 2 CL semi finals , as if 'fans hype' is anything that matters. Fans hype means win everything every season , there you go. Nobody did that ever , nobody will ever manage it , ever . That's 'fans hype' for you. And 'media hype' also feeds fans hype , in case you didn't notice , same as everywhere. I'll tell you actually who exactly had expectations Pep really had to live up to. Bayern. What expectations ? Create a team with identity that will last even after he's gone , improve the players , win stuff in Germany and have deep runs into the CL. He succeeded in everything so far that he was asked to do BY , Bayern Munich .

Fans and doubters and critics may complain and critique about the CL , ultimately when the last day of the season comes he will leave behind double the titles than years he worked there , and everybody will just shut the fk up , truth be told. And his team will have played some of the best football in those 3 years. And some players will have gained invaluable guidance under his management . And he still has one final chance to win the CL , meaning he was one of the best coaches Bayern has ever had , competing for all possible honors for 3 years straight, right from day 1 .

That's the reality Chad . And it's of course pretty damn fine successful regardless if he wins the CL with Bayern .

But yes look forward to them arbitrary excuses sure .

When Bayern fails in their 3rd consecutive CL semi finals , you say ? Fails in the final , maybe?

dem fails every damn season

Chad logic for basically every other manager out there : y'all need some CLingz you over rated shits

donezo

lmao the reading comprehension on here is on unreal, i said multiple times its not about win or lose, its about how he lost in identical fashion twice(4 times), he brought in a lot of players, and still lost in the same manner, arsenal this season exposed the same problems the last two season no?

its the fact you guys gush on and on about him, like these things doesn't matter and when his tactical flaws get exposed, he is exempt from criticism cause reasons.... so what if he is overrated to me? what if losing 11-2 to means more to me than it does to you? who do you guys think you are? shut up.

keep loving pep while its trendy.

chad4401 wrote:did pep live up to bayern expectations? the media hype? the fan hype? hell no.

when bayern fails again i look forward to your excuses.

wondering how losing home and away combined score 11-2 ffs really? that doesn't count much?

Of course he didn't because those expectations were " win the treble".

so if he didn't then what wrong with calling his time at bayern overrated?

Mr Nick09 wrote:So when Zidane says today "The best way to avoid defending is to have the ball. So we are going to try to do that", isnt that a "Guardiolesque" idea?

we should probably sack him

all due respect to guardiola, but are we really now going to say having the ball to avoid defending is his idea? besides the italians, argentines, uruguayans to an extent, most historic football nations have always looked to having the ball as the 'right' way of playing (whatever that means). legendary brazilian sides have always wanted to play with the ball, so too dutch, germans have been about efficiency, not necessarily the flamboyance, but even they too have always preferred to control the tempo.

yes guardiola had a ball-hog/midfield fetish when they'd do 2 million back passes and look for messi later on, but i won't table that a pep idea. he's done fine and all, but soon we'll start hearing that he invented the false 9, or he invented keepers being able to play with their feet.