Jose Mourinho Sack Watch

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Vlad the Impaler wrote:I can't believe what I've just seen.

Respekt!

2? Pep has one who is the other manager with PL title. Honestly struggling here, Mou said the rest of the league managers have 2 titles compared to his 3.

Pellegrini?

Lol my shock I didn’t even know he was managing west Ham.

Kick wrote:United's problem is more than just Woodward and Jose.

Their entire structure since Fergie left has been poor, they've had no direction or philosophy and currently have a miss-match of players. Look at how Spurs have built in the same time-frame, and how effective they have been over the last few seasons. City and Chelsea are also good examples of how to run a club when you have a lot of money.

United could have reconised that a few seasons would be tough once Fergie left, but if they'd planned and built properly, they could have won the title by now. And, if I were their board, I'd aim to start doing that, otherwise they're going to continue to fall.

The problem with United's board is they don't give a shit about results as long as the club can stay in top 4 and they keep filling their pockets with sponsor deals.

Firenze wrote:sacking Woodward is unrealistic even if it was warranted. I don't think sacking Mourinho will magically turn things around completely, no, but it is clear that he's lost the dressing room and once that happens it's better to cut ties earlier rather than later. Mourinho signed those shit CB's that are playing terrible (Lindelof and Bailly) in the first place, so that's on him. For 70m combined too.

All I know is, despite how average a lot of the players are, we also have some very good ones that are under-performing dramatically. That's unprofessional and they should play to the best of their ability regardless of who the manager is but eh, this is football, no place for a sense of right and wrong, even if Mou was entirely faultless (and he certainly isn't) I'd still want him gone just because he lost the dressing room so clearly, there's only one way this can possibly end.

Mourinho won 3 trophies in his first season and finished *bleep* 2nd in the next season, the highest since Fergie left. And just when you should be building up on the squad and take the next step what does Woodward do all summer? Sign a Ukrainian farmer and a 19 y/o RB?

United played *bleep* good today until they conceded. Mourinho didn't instruct Lukaku to miss open net or other players to miss chances. If you signed Alderweireld you could play more open like today without the fear of your CBs *bleep* up. All goals today came from mistakes.

The Bailly and Lindelof signings may be on Jose but they were considered talented players before they came it's not his fault they started playing like bouncers. United is a club that can afford to sign a flop, just sell him and sign a better player next window.

Your board should have either backed Mourinho in the transfer window or fired him straight away and that's it. My opinion is any manager would struggle if he had that numpty Woodward in charge of transfers.

Three words: Jones. Smalling. Young.

How the hell are these players still starting for United in 2018?

I'm sorry I can't see what people who are supporting Mou are seeing

Literally even last season when they finished second did United ever once play like a team you thought were on the up? A team you thought "hey, those guys can challenge for the title next season"?

Never. They were mostly gash last season and they've been gash this season. There isn't any positivity or game plan and it doesn't really ever look like he's on the way to developing one.

He got rekt with in game adjustments against Spurs too.

Spurs didn't even buy a player ffs

The fact of the matter is that United don't look any more impressive than they did when they won their three trophies a couple seasons ago. After a lot of money spent, with a stable managing situation, and a lot of time to develop a blueprint to further success. They look worse. And the players are underperforming heavily. Even before today the statistics about United's attacking ability painted them as relegation fodder.

It's looking like Mou's 3rd season with Chelsea 2.0 we've literally seen this plot before. if I'm United I'm abandoning ship as soon as possible.

BusterLfc wrote:

Kick wrote:United's problem is more than just Woodward and Jose.

Their entire structure since Fergie left has been poor, they've had no direction or philosophy and currently have a miss-match of players. Look at how Spurs have built in the same time-frame, and how effective they have been over the last few seasons. City and Chelsea are also good examples of how to run a club when you have a lot of money.

United could have reconised that a few seasons would be tough once Fergie left, but if they'd planned and built properly, they could have won the title by now. And, if I were their board, I'd aim to start doing that, otherwise they're going to continue to fall.

The problem with United's board is they don't give a shit about results as long as the club can stay in top 4 and they keep filling their pockets with sponsor deals.

They can't be that stupid. The sponsorship deals will go to other clubs instead of them if they don't show ambition.

CBarca wrote:I'm sorry I can't see what people who are supporting Mou are seeing

Literally even last season when they finished second did United ever once play like a team you thought were on the up? A team you thought "hey, those guys can challenge for the title next season"?

Never. They were mostly gash last season and they've been gash this season. There isn't any positivity or game plan and it doesn't really ever look like he's on the way to developing one.

He got rekt with in game adjustments against Spurs too.

Spurs didn't even buy a player ffs

The fact of the matter is that United don't look any more impressive than they did when they won their three trophies a couple seasons ago. After a lot of money spent, with a stable managing situation, and a lot of time to develop a blueprint to further success. They look worse. And the players are underperforming heavily. Even before today the statistics about United's attacking ability painted them as relegation fodder.

It's looking like Mou's 3rd season with Chelsea 2.0 we've literally seen this plot before. if I'm United I'm abandoning ship as soon as possible.

True true but the problem isn't 100% on Mourinho, big part of it is on the United's owners + Woodward. Doesn't matter if they sack Mourinho even tomorrow, I think another manager will struggle with Woodward and Glazers as much as Mourinho.

Kick wrote:

BusterLfc wrote:

Kick wrote:United's problem is more than just Woodward and Jose.

Their entire structure since Fergie left has been poor, they've had no direction or philosophy and currently have a miss-match of players. Look at how Spurs have built in the same time-frame, and how effective they have been over the last few seasons. City and Chelsea are also good examples of how to run a club when you have a lot of money.

United could have reconised that a few seasons would be tough once Fergie left, but if they'd planned and built properly, they could have won the title by now. And, if I were their board, I'd aim to start doing that, otherwise they're going to continue to fall.

The problem with United's board is they don't give a shit about results as long as the club can stay in top 4 and they keep filling their pockets with sponsor deals.

They can't be that stupid. The sponsorship deals will go to other clubs instead of them if they don't show ambition.

They have one of the biggest fan bases in the world and a big ass stadium, they will get the $$$. They made the biggest kit sponsorship in football history with adidas, they have the biggest revenue in the world bigger than real or barca. So yeah United has a huge commercial revenue stream, Woodward is great at marketing but terrible at transfers. Barca and Real aren't anywhere near United's commercial revenue. As Woodward said, it's down to commercial deals rather than on pitch success that keeps United at the top of the rich list.


They want good marketing players like Pogba to boost them on instagram and sell the shirts, they don't care how Pogba performs

BusterLfc wrote:

Kick wrote:United's problem is more than just Woodward and Jose.

Their entire structure since Fergie left has been poor, they've had no direction or philosophy and currently have a miss-match of players. Look at how Spurs have built in the same time-frame, and how effective they have been over the last few seasons. City and Chelsea are also good examples of how to run a club when you have a lot of money.

United could have reconised that a few seasons would be tough once Fergie left, but if they'd planned and built properly, they could have won the title by now. And, if I were their board, I'd aim to start doing that, otherwise they're going to continue to fall.

The problem with United's board is they don't give a shit about results as long as the club can stay in top 4 and they keep filling their pockets with sponsor deals.

If there's one thing you cant give United any flack for , its their ambition. They dint buy Pogba, Ibra, Sanchez and the likes if they did not care about results lol. They just lacked the planning. They did back Mourinho all the way until this season. A lot of money has been spent stupidly and obviously they took caution this year considering the negativity surrounding the dressing room and Mou's demands for older players which is understandable that they dint want to go ahead and sanction those deals.

It just speaks volumes of how big of a juggernaut United really is when they can be shit on the pitch while making a ton of money at the same time.

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BusterLfc wrote:

Kick wrote:United's problem is more than just Woodward and Jose.

Their entire structure since Fergie left has been poor, they've had no direction or philosophy and currently have a miss-match of players. Look at how Spurs have built in the same time-frame, and how effective they have been over the last few seasons. City and Chelsea are also good examples of how to run a club when you have a lot of money.

United could have reconised that a few seasons would be tough once Fergie left, but if they'd planned and built properly, they could have won the title by now. And, if I were their board, I'd aim to start doing that, otherwise they're going to continue to fall.

The problem with United's board is they don't give a shit about results as long as the club can stay in top 4 and they keep filling their pockets with sponsor deals.

If there's one thing you cant give United any flack for , its their ambition. They dint buy Pogba, Ibra, Sanchez and the likes if they did not care about results lol. They just lacked the planning. They did back Mourinho all the way until this season. A lot of money has been spent stupidly and obviously they took caution this year considering the negativity surrounding the dressing room and Mou's demands for older players which is understandable that they dint want to go ahead and sanction those deals.

It just speaks volumes of how big of a juggernaut United really is when they can be shit on the pitch while making a ton of money at the same time.

I guess you don't know much about Glazers. If they cared about results they would bring in competent people in their board and they would have a legit plan how to do it. They wouldn't place Woodward, a marketing specialist, in charge of transfers which he knows nothing about. Ofcourse they will bring in big name players, they are United, but look how most of them turned out for them.
United owners never go to United's matches, they don't even follow football, they said it themselves when they bought it, they are just in for the profit. United fans hate them.

Woodward said himself, it's down to commercial deals rather than on pitch success that keeps United at the top of the rich list.

If United owners had ambition they could make a galactico team with all the revenue and deals they have, they are the world's most valued club, more than Barca and Real. They are just in for turning the profit though.

Dude , they have spent like a billion in the market post-Fergie and you're telling me they dont care about results and are only concerned with filling their pockets That doesnt even make sense. Ffs , they hired Mourinho in the first place because he has proven track record of getting results. Doesnt get anymore straight-forward than that.

They hired Woodward because they thought he could do the job which he's failed at miserably at. The whole club organization since Fergie left has been in shambles. And its pretty clear now that the upper management needs restructuring which they're working on. Lacking in direction and planning has nothing to do with ambition.

https://www.transfermarkt.com/manchester-united/alletransfers/verein/985

860M euros spent by United since 13/14 with a net spend of 600M euros

Barcelona in the same time-frame have spent 820M euros with a net spend of 332M euros

https://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/fc-barcelona/alletransfers/verein/131

Real Madrid meanwhile have spent 620M euros since 13/14 with a net spend of 82M euros

They have had a bigger net spend than Madrid and Barca combined And top 3 wage bill in the world i might add

They been burning money left and right and you're trying to tell me that they're only concerned with filling their own pockets...

I already told you, ofcourse they will burn money on players and sign good managers, they are United, they could spend twice as much if they want to, it doesn't change anything. If they wanted to attack trophies they would bring in huge reinforcements this summer, or they would fire Mourinho and bring in a coach who can attack trophies, Mourinho is still good to get them in top 4 so it's all cool, if they are ambitious they wouldn't have given Mourinho a new contract this year. And if they wanted the results so badly they would replace Woodward from sports director position long time ago and never appointed him in the first place, and their managment and they would have a long term plan. If United had better managment they would be a club on par with Real, Barca or Bayern by now. I told you 100 things which clubs with ambition won't do and they did it, your only argument is they burn money, they are *bleep* United that money is nothing for them. When Glazers first took over they riddled the club with debt from loans but the club made so much money it even paid off their debt, United would be even bigger today if they didn't pay off their debt with the club's money, that's how much they care about the club.

Ask any United fan they see them as leeches not "ambitious owners".

I'm tired tho. gn

And your only argument is 'they're United, they can afford it, its nothing for them', talking like there's some leeway gap between United and rest of the clubs. Ofcourse they can afford it, so could Real and Barca who all are in the same tier in terms of spending power. Yet United's spending has been abnormally high compared to many teams such as Real and Barca for example. Only Man City have spent more money than them.

They've been consistently spending money on the best players in their respective positions regardless of how they have panned out. Di Maria was the best player of the CL final in 2014, Ibra was still among the very best, Pogba was one of the best midfielders in the world when they signed him, they even managed to make Sanchez the highest paid player in the prem. They hired the most proven manager in the league most importantly with the hope of achieving RESULTS. How does that not equate to ambition ?  

And your other argument says they lacked ambition because they hired a marketing specialist to take charge of transfers which still, doesnt make sense to me. I can plan on running a  business tomorrow with a hope of making it big and hire a person who could or could not turn out to be incompetent, doesnt mean i'm lacking in ambition. Again, being unwise =/= lacking in ambition. Past history of Glazers is irrelevant as they're certainly not shy of spending money right now if its required to.

Then you go on and say they're only in for the profit. Well fine, but only if the club is in the best shape possible can they maximize profit yeah ? Which can only be achieved with on the pitch results ? You think they're spending all this money for fun or like you say, because 'they're United' ? Lack of ambition was Arsenal under Wenger where they consistently sold their best players, yet somehow still managed to keep their 'brand' steady despite not challenging for titles. You just cant knock United for a lack of ambition. I guess you need to update your definition of ambition as it seems you have a completely mistaken view of it.

They don't have the ambizione like juve bruh, they ain't making them statement signings like emre can

I'm off to sleep for real now tho

Just put it this way, I aim to run a big business tomorrow. I purchase Unique's house for 1M pounds , break it down, create my own office space and hire  Frenzy by offering  him a juicy pay and entrust upon him to take care of day to day affairs  

Or I just wait for a vacant office space to set up my office, hire a team of RG, Frenzy and Thimmy who are all well qualified to take care of all aspects of my business and hope to make it big from there

Whether its the former or the latter, the bottom line is the same : I have ambizione (:

Although you could argue I'm being pretty insane in scenario 1

Btw Man United have been repeatedly trying to poach Juve's sporting director, Paratici who's among the best in the business but they have been largely unsuccessful.

Spending in terms of dollars is not an issue with Man U... the issue is that they are not a preferred destination. Never have been really. So in order to attract the top players, they have to grossly overpay both in terms of fee and wages.

PSG did this too... but they had a youth program that was pumping talent around the players they bought so the team was balanced. Ligue 1 is rich with young talent too... so they could buy there too. International scouting department is also very good.

Kimpembe, Areola, Rabiot, Nkunku, Weah, Coman, Moussa Diaby (watch this kid), Bernede, Dagba, etc. are all local products. They also got Kurzawa and Mbappe from Monaco. Add to that the scouting department was able to buy Verratti and Lo Celso before anyone knew who they were. Guedes that they sold for 40 mil to Valencia is also a international scouting coup.

At Man U... they overpaid for Martial. Lingard and Rashford are decent players. That's where it ends.

Very poorly run club imo.

Tbh, I don't think Mourinho should be sacked before the end of this season unless we're fighting to escape relegation zone. He has a contract, we have a history and like @Kick said, we don't really have philosophy or direction anymore. Considering the legacy Fergie has left at Man United, it's clearly not the right moment to talk about sacking Mourinho because the EPL started only 3 weeks ago and he indeed got the best results so far for us since Ferguson left. We should show ambition and professionalism, fight until the end with dignity with a loyal fan base educated to behave in the spirit of team with a gigantic history. I like that Jose is loyal to his ideas, his charisma and the fact that he is very professional. I believe he indeed could be better at the tactics he's choosing, he could've made many better decisions during his time at United regarding football and managerial situations, but at the same time the management from the top of the club is pretty shit too, so it's a bot of both, I'd even say the worst comes from the head. We should have a clear image of what we want and how we want to do it in order to be able to build our future with consistency and patience step by step with small and clear steps to finalize a long term project. And not only this, but there are a few principles that we should've focused on like:

1. buy max 1-2 expensive players/season after a very careful scouting process and leave the oil clubs to spend more money
2. focus on trying to constantly promote youngsters from the academy
3. seek to bring in the locker room a specific winner/warrior attitude accompanied by a coach whose football style and tactics would fit our projection
4. we should've focused on keeping the likes of Rio, Vidic, Giggs, Scholes, Neville or even Evra very close to the club and not make them leave so soon; they have a history with United and they've been part of one of the most successful United eras, therefore they would've been able to occupy different positions at United to instill the legacy of what they've achieved and learned on the football pitch with Ferguson

In short, be very careful with the investments you make, constantly promote players from the youth academy, pick a coach that fits a winning mentality to build a great atmosphere in and off the pitch long term and keep your strongest assets close to avoid losing the identity that has been built over the years. Considering United's position in world football when Fergie left, if we would've stick with these principles for 5-10 years with the same coach (Moyes was clearly not the right option) I think it would've been different by now. But sacking Mourinho now isn't gonna solve the problems.

LOOOOOL Wow, even for Mou, that was too much Wtf, 3 EPLs, more than the other 19 managers combined, get out of here, he still tries to act like the boss like hes the Special One Hes way past it, he has really lost the plot, and he should be fired soon.

ExtremistEnigma wrote:Three words: Jones. Smalling. Young.

How the hell are these players still starting for United in 2018?

Young didn't play.

You can tell pretty much everyone here hasn't supported a club which has operated like this before.

When you go through this it has an impact on the entire squad and unless the replacement is excellent it will take a while to fix it.

"it's not just Mourinho" are laughable comments coming from people who simply no experience with the situation, he's the sole reason they are in this situation.

But it's expected, none of you have had true negative phases in football to truly understand what's happening here.

Great Leader Sprucenuce wrote:You can tell pretty much everyone here hasn't supported a club which has operated like this before.

When you go through this it has an impact on the entire squad and unless the replacement is excellent it will take a while to fix it.

"it's not just Mourinho"  are laughable comments coming from people who simply no experience with the situation, he's the sole reason they are in this situation.

But it's expected, none of you have had true negative phases in football to truly understand what's happening here.

It goes way deeper than Mourinho. Woodward is the poorer stupid version of Florentino Perez of the 00s

Valkyrja wrote:

Great Leader Sprucenuce wrote:You can tell pretty much everyone here hasn't supported a club which has operated like this before.

When you go through this it has an impact on the entire squad and unless the replacement is excellent it will take a while to fix it.

"it's not just Mourinho"  are laughable comments coming from people who simply no experience with the situation, he's the sole reason they are in this situation.

But it's expected, none of you have had true negative phases in football to truly understand what's happening here.

It goes way deeper than Mourinho. Woodward is the poorer stupid version of Florentino Perez of the 00s

That's such a condescending know it all expert post from him which is not worth responding to tbh

CBarca wrote:I'm sorry I can't see what people who are supporting Mou are seeing

Literally even last season when they finished second did United ever once play like a team you thought were on the up? A team you thought "hey, those guys can challenge for the title next season"?

Never. They were mostly gash last season and they've been gash this season. There isn't any positivity or game plan and it doesn't really ever look like he's on the way to developing one.

He got rekt with in game adjustments against Spurs too.

Spurs didn't even buy a player ffs

The fact of the matter is that United don't look any more impressive than they did when they won their three trophies a couple seasons ago. After a lot of money spent, with a stable managing situation, and a lot of time to develop a blueprint to further success. They look worse. And the players are underperforming heavily. Even before today the statistics about United's attacking ability painted them as relegation fodder.

It's looking like Mou's 3rd season with Chelsea 2.0 we've literally seen this plot before. if I'm United I'm abandoning ship as soon as possible.

Was gonna say pretty much the above, 100% well said

Surprised quite many ppl still doesnt blame a lot on Mou, and think its the squad level or the players. However u put it, hes had two seasons now and have spent, no excuses anymore. It really looks like he has lost the players again and they dont wanna play for him, just a repeat of Chelsea again. Pretty sure its his arrogant ways...it just doesnt work anymore.

sportsczy wrote:Spending in terms of dollars is not an issue with Man U...  the issue is that they are not a preferred destination.  Never have been really.  So in order to attract the top players, they have to grossly overpay both in terms of fee and wages.  

PSG did this too...  but they had a youth program that was pumping talent around the players they bought so the team was balanced.  Ligue 1 is rich with young talent too... so they could buy there too.  International scouting department is also very good.

Kimpembe, Areola, Rabiot, Nkunku, Weah, Coman, Moussa Diaby (watch this kid), Bernede, Dagba, etc. are all local products.  They also got Kurzawa and Mbappe from Monaco.  Add to that the scouting department was able to buy Verratti and Lo Celso before anyone knew who they were.  Guedes that they sold for 40 mil to Valencia is also a international scouting coup.

At Man U...  they overpaid for Martial.  Lingard and Rashford are decent players.  That's where it ends.  

Very poorly run club imo.

I remember when I started first watching football back in the late 90s, Man U were pretty the team since the EPL had the most worldwide coverage I think, and Man U was by far the biggest club of EPL, and they were able to attract and pay for some of the biggest and exciting names. They also produced the golden boys, and they probably still produce talent, but I guess as with any club, some years u get some some years u dont...

He is over more  than MSN, in both cases I feel it's been amazing for me