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Post by Lucifer Fri Nov 27, 2015 3:10 pm

Actually word is not Hindi its Bengali which I myself  know little about
Fatafati= (roughly) in English awesome or kickass

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Post by Art Morte Fri Nov 27, 2015 3:15 pm

I just translated it to 'fap fap fap football' in my head.



Catenaccio = the prettier way to say 'parking the bus'?
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Post by El Gunner Fri Nov 27, 2015 3:41 pm

"koekie" or "cookie" (Afrikaans slang) = nutmeg
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Post by Lucifer Fri Nov 27, 2015 3:48 pm

Messi be like ' am Santa and here's ur cookie"

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Post by rwo power Fri Nov 27, 2015 4:15 pm

Art Morte wrote:Catenaccio = the prettier way to say 'parking the bus'?
More like "the classical way to say PTB"
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Post by Art Morte Fri Nov 27, 2015 5:03 pm

Have I ever told you, RWO, that you're a real classic?
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Post by Robespierre Fri Nov 27, 2015 6:42 pm

How saying " regista " ? (Pirlo,Xavi)
playmakerlooks like a basketball term hmm
Even on GL I 've read regista ffs
tbh I didn't believe to find so many Italian terms here , as mercato exactly hmm
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Post by CBarca Fri Nov 27, 2015 6:43 pm

In America we have 'soccer' which roughly translates to 'football'.
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Post by Robespierre Fri Nov 27, 2015 6:43 pm

A term lernt on GL = Hoofball hmm
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Post by Great Leader Sprucenuce Fri Nov 27, 2015 6:49 pm

Robespierre wrote:How saying " regista " ? (Pirlo,Xavi)
playmakerlooks like a basketball term hmm
Even on GL I 've read regista ffs
tbh I didn't believe to find so many Italian terms here , as mercato exactly hmm


I don't mind Italians using it lol, it's when English people use it annoys me Laughing

You are english so bloody act like one. Laughing
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Post by The Franchise Fri Nov 27, 2015 6:59 pm

Art Morte wrote:I just translated it to 'fap fap fap football' in my head.



Catenaccio = the prettier way to say 'parking the bus'?


Nay. Catanaccio was obviously said way before "parking the bus" and is never used today.

Maybe part of the reason is it isnt even the same thing as what today people call parking the bus.

Catanaccio was about man marking and using a sweeper behind the defence, then importantly, counter attacking with a long pass. A key feature is the sweeper behind, in those times that was the devolpement which caused the recongisation of this defensive sytem. Basically, there was some thought behind it.

Parking the bus is a bit different, its not about any specific player or sweeper, no mention of how to counter attack. It is simply putting all your players in front of the goal, with no intention of going forward.

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Post by Art Morte Fri Nov 27, 2015 7:14 pm

Okay, a question: When a sweeper was still used, were teams stupid not to exploit that lack of all offside traps or forwards just too lazy/slow to make those runs?

The follow up: Because, surely, playing with a sweeper today could only mean an insane number of runs behind the "proper" defence line, yeah?
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Post by McLewis Fri Nov 27, 2015 7:15 pm

Some American vernacular that makes me smfh:

Outside backs = full backs or wing backs
Outside forwards = wingers
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Post by rwo power Fri Nov 27, 2015 7:19 pm

By the way, did you know that the true origin of the catenaccio was in Switzerland? Way back it was called "Schweizer Riegel" (="Swiss lock bar") and used at Servette, GC and the Nati. :coffee:
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Post by Art Morte Fri Nov 27, 2015 7:24 pm

The 'Swiss lock bar' just sounds like another term for their bank accounts that tax dodgers, criminals and other random rich people can use to avoid taxes and other scrutiny, tbh.

That, or a particularly difficult chocolate bar to open.
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Post by rwo power Fri Nov 27, 2015 7:30 pm

Well, the term in German (or in French where it was called "verrou") sounds far better than in English.

Oh, and by the way, Tiki-Taka had a classic ancestor in Germany - in the 1920es, Ernst Kuzorra and Fritz Szepan among others played the tactical system later known as "Schalker Kreisel" (=Schalke whirligig) which was characterized by one-touch football, clever off-ball movement and getting so lost in the beauty of short passing that they often forgot that the aim of the game was scoring goals...
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Post by The Franchise Fri Nov 27, 2015 7:35 pm

A different time. All the forwards are man marked individually and if one of those markers get free then the sweeper reads it and "sweeps up" the danger. Obviously you dont put any old player there, you put a special player with incredible reading of the game.

You dont need an offside trap when you are man marking everyone successfully (key point, because today you cant man mark successfully for an extended period of time) with one spare guy covering any error.

The reason players get behind a defence with an off ball run today, is because they move into a zone where they are not picked up by anyone, time their run and then appear behind with nobody aware of their presence. It rarely happened in that time because there is no zone to move into undiscovered, each player has the responsibility of another with one guy covering in case someone fails.

Not untill we got into the times where players swapped positions and pulled the defensive team all over the place did it fail. Its not laziness, it was just the way teams attacked. But Ajax came along and changed everything with their football.

Today it (Catenaccio) could not work, obviously because nobody can man mark on a consistent basis. Not physically or tactically. Players would be pulled all over the pitch and this sweeper would be overwhelmed with possibilities.

On a physical level its impossible, the amount of distance players cover makes it so. Imagine trying to follow a Messi, everywhere he goes. Plus it actually wouldnt make good sense.

Why should one player follow another everywhere, when you can just communicate to a team mate to pick him instead, while you keep your position. In short, today's way of defending is much superior to Catenaccio.

edit: plus it would be totally impossible to counter attack. One thing people forget is, Catenaccio is also about how you attack. You play a quick, direct long ball and you attack in an organised way. You need certain players in certain areas to attack well. If you want to exploit space on the flank with a fast winger, you need you fast winger to defend in that area and then when the ball is recovered, you can enter it.

Imagine Theo Walcott following Alaba or Marcelo who has dribbled on the inside. When Arsenal recover the ball, Walcott is nowhere near the position he needs to be to counter attack.
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Post by RealGunner Fri Nov 27, 2015 7:58 pm

Love uncle dani's lessons ffs Proud


massively disappointed at not enough analysis for clasico btw



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Post by The Franchise Fri Nov 27, 2015 8:03 pm

Nothing to analyse there sadly.

Madrid are fools for high pressing us with players who refuse to press properly.

We passed the ball better than ever under Enrique.

Madrid back 4 defending with barely any help against 2 superstars.

Still not convinced by Modric and Kroos, 2 years later. But they did have an impossible task covering all the space laterally and horizontally.

Barcelona with the routine defensive plan and work rate, some difficult in the defence when Messi came on but at that point we already stripped them of belief.

That being said stfu u Madrid pos. Dont try and jump on the bandwagon now.
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Post by RealGunner Fri Nov 27, 2015 8:05 pm

cule4lyf mate

grew up watching cruyff, deco, Alfonso, Keirrison and Chygrinsky. Do not doubt my love for barcelona for a second ffs Molenation
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Post by The Franchise Fri Nov 27, 2015 8:11 pm

Alfonso Laughing

Surprised you remembered him tbh
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Post by sportsczy Fri Nov 27, 2015 8:14 pm

I always liked Cocu too although Barca didn't for whatever reason... By no means a Barca fan lol. But it doesn't mean i don't watch them.
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Post by M99 Fri Nov 27, 2015 8:25 pm

rwo power wrote:By the way, did you know that the true origin of the catenaccio was in Switzerland? Way back it was called "Schweizer Riegel" (="Swiss lock bar") and used at Servette, GC and the Nati. :coffee:


Yes, Karl Rappan's Switzerland verrou was quite successful, they went to the semi finals of the World Cup with the system. Majority of football fans think that cantenaccio means ultra defensive football but it just meant the addition of a sweeper and a counter attacking style that was reliant on long balls (usually from the sweeper) and man marking. Nereo Rocco, one of the most pioneers of cantenaccio had his Milan play attacking football but the system was still cantenaccio. Here is the lineup from the 69 CL final where Milan beat Ajax 4-1.

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/4/44/AC_Milan-Ajax_1969-05-28.svg/534px-AC_Milan-Ajax_1969-05-28.svg.png
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Post by The Franchise Fri Nov 27, 2015 8:29 pm

Same here. But he did have quite a long run (more than 5 seasons I think) considering the failures Barca had at the time as a team. But by the time he was eventually replaced, he was on the down side for me.

But the Dutch were talented in those times I think, other than a couple, I liked all the Dutch guys we had.
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Post by McAgger Fri Nov 27, 2015 11:19 pm

Yeezus wrote:Crack for really good South American Talent


I remember this Argentinean kid at my high school was really good and everyone kept calling him 'el crack'. I honestly thought they called him that because he was a crackhead.
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