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Post by Luca Sat Oct 31, 2015 10:06 pm

lucianomoggi wrote:
salmano9 wrote:
lucianomoggi wrote:@salmano
how about never change a winning team?
Hernanes was there don't change it

I would use him as trequartista tbh, but that would remove cuadrado from the starting line up.




that isn't a must do situation but anyway I have to accept the fact that not everyone has to agree with me,

I get where you're coming from. I wanted to believe when he was transferred over but he hasn't been anything more than mediocre.

He's had a few moments of neat little touches and a couple shots that were half decent, and for now, I guess there is no harm.

If an opportunity came in January to sign a creative midfielder and replace him, would you do it?
That's what you have to ask yourself. I would

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Post by Andrew Sun Nov 01, 2015 10:19 am

Wouldn't you guys agree that we really miss Vidal's runs in the box ? I would honestly like to see Marchisio play to his pre-Pogba box-to-box role where he was always trying to get into the box and score but then the issue would be who is going to play as the regista. Khedira ? Doesn't have the creativity. Hernanes ? He is the only one with the right characteristics to play there but he has to really improve his game hmm
Morata-------Cuadrado
Dybala
Pogba Hernanes Marchisio
Evra Bonucci Barzagli Lichtsteiner
Buffon
What do you guys think hmm

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Post by lucianomoggi Sun Nov 01, 2015 11:15 am

@salmano9
yes I am obsessed with the guy because I think he is good

@Luca
I don't mind if we bring other U22 talents to create a project for future someone like ISCO would be cool so he could also play on the wing

--------------- MORATA --------------
ISCO --------- POGBA --------- DYBALA
-------- STURARO - LEMINA --------
SANDRO - RUGANI - BONUCI -- XXXXX

but for the presence ,
Hernanes is good and only someone like INIESTA maybe would be worth substitution

HERNANES > MONTOLIVO, AQUILANI

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Post by Luca Sun Nov 01, 2015 1:53 pm

Dybala isn't playing off anyone or off to the side. Ironically, we have seen Morata pushed out wide while Dybala played centrally just yesterday

Isco is not attainable

What do you guys think of this?

Morata-Dybala
Sandro-Pogba-Marchisio-Cuadrado
Evra-Chiellini-Bonucci-Barzagli
Buffon

Classic 4-4-2, great power and athleticism in the middle with Marchisio and Pogba
Wing play with Sandro and Cuadrado, you get great speed and play making ability
Up front you have Morata as a #9 and Dybala as the #10 playing off of him

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Post by salmano9 Sun Nov 01, 2015 10:48 pm

Luca wrote:Dybala isn't playing off anyone or off to the side. Ironically, we have seen Morata pushed out wide while Dybala played centrally just yesterday

Isco is not attainable

What do you guys think of this?

Morata-Dybala
Sandro-Pogba-Marchisio-Cuadrado
Evra-Chiellini-Bonucci-Barzagli
Buffon

Classic 4-4-2, great power and athleticism in the middle with Marchisio and Pogba
Wing play with Sandro and Cuadrado, you get great speed and play making ability
Up front you have Morata as a #9 and Dybala as the #10 playing off of him

It really looks good IMO. Very solid, only if we had licht back...
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Post by lucianomoggi Mon Nov 02, 2015 12:20 am

that classical 4-4-2 could be good for some UCL games
is defensive minded you don't want that in SERIE A
not because of 4-4-2, is because of SANDRO and EVRA on same wing

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Post by Luca Mon Nov 02, 2015 1:36 am

lucianomoggi wrote:that classical 4-4-2 could be good for some UCL games
is defensive minded you don't want that in SERIE A
not because of 4-4-2, is because of SANDRO and EVRA on same wing


I agree and in terms of depth, the team isn't built for it but it gives an alternative
The important thing is Morata must play through the middle, not off the wing like we have seen him. He is the biggest goal threat on the team

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Post by lucianomoggi Tue Nov 03, 2015 1:05 pm

a formation like 3-5-2 would be cool  


------ MANDZUKIC ----- DYBALA --------
------------------ POGBA ------------------
EVRA ----------------------------- CUADRADO
-------- HERNANES - MARCHISIO --------
--------- CB ------ CB -------- CB ---------

I would go with this formation today
MANDZUKID, EVRA, HERNANES for experience

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Post by Andrew Tue Nov 10, 2015 5:12 am

Bonucci and Chiellini doing one mistake after another.

Barzagli is his usual amazing self and by far our best defender but at 34 years of age he will eventually get tired.

Caceres doesn't convince as a CB.

Why doesn't Allegri just give some playing time to Rugani ? He definitely won't do worse than Chiellini.

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Post by salmano9 Tue Nov 10, 2015 7:16 pm

LOL Luciano. Your love to Hernanes is unbelievable.
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Post by juvealbanian Tue Nov 10, 2015 8:50 pm

Forget about Hernanes, he's been infected by some disease since leaving Lazio for another team.

Luciano probably thinks we got him from Lazio Razz
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Post by DeviAngel Wed Nov 11, 2015 5:31 am

lucianomoggi wrote:a formation like 3-5-2 would be cool  


------ MANDZUKIC ----- DYBALA --------
------------------ POGBA ------------------
EVRA ----------------------------- CUADRADO
-------- HERNANES - MARCHISIO --------
--------- CB ------ CB -------- CB ---------

I would go with this formation today
MANDZUKID, EVRA, HERNANES for experience


That midfield is to soft.
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Post by free_cat Wed Nov 11, 2015 11:41 am

salmano9 wrote:
Luca wrote:Dybala isn't playing off anyone or off to the side. Ironically, we have seen Morata pushed out wide while Dybala played centrally just yesterday

Isco is not attainable

What do you guys think of this?

Morata-Dybala
Sandro-Pogba-Marchisio-Cuadrado
Evra-Chiellini-Bonucci-Barzagli
Buffon

Classic 4-4-2, great power and athleticism in the middle with Marchisio and Pogba
Wing play with Sandro and Cuadrado, you get great speed and play making ability
Up front you have Morata as a #9 and Dybala as the #10 playing off of him

It really looks good IMO. Very solid, only if we had licht back...


That's a good lineup. Maybe you could just go the Atletico way and line up Pogba as LM with Hernanes/Khedira in the middle with Marchisio, and leave all the left side to Sandro/Evra.
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Post by Luca Wed Nov 11, 2015 5:16 pm

free_cat wrote:
salmano9 wrote:
Luca wrote:Dybala isn't playing off anyone or off to the side. Ironically, we have seen Morata pushed out wide while Dybala played centrally just yesterday

Isco is not attainable

What do you guys think of this?

Morata-Dybala
Sandro-Pogba-Marchisio-Cuadrado
Evra-Chiellini-Bonucci-Barzagli
Buffon

Classic 4-4-2, great power and athleticism in the middle with Marchisio and Pogba
Wing play with Sandro and Cuadrado, you get great speed and play making ability
Up front you have Morata as a #9 and Dybala as the #10 playing off of him

It really looks good IMO. Very solid, only if we had licht back...


That's a good lineup. Maybe you could just go the Atletico way and line up Pogba as LM with Hernanes/Khedira in the middle with Marchisio, and leave all the left side to Sandro/Evra.


That would be even better. The priority should be to play Morata centrally with Dybala off of him but we haven't seen that happen

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Post by Andrew Wed Nov 18, 2015 2:22 pm

Buffon, Lichtsteiner, Caceres and Mandzukic all injured rofl

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Post by salmano9 Wed Nov 18, 2015 6:51 pm

I have some hope that we will recover some of them.
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Post by DeviAngel Fri Nov 20, 2015 10:13 pm

Luca wrote:
free_cat wrote:
salmano9 wrote:
Luca wrote:Dybala isn't playing off anyone or off to the side. Ironically, we have seen Morata pushed out wide while Dybala played centrally just yesterday

Isco is not attainable

What do you guys think of this?

Morata-Dybala
Sandro-Pogba-Marchisio-Cuadrado
Evra-Chiellini-Bonucci-Barzagli
Buffon

Classic 4-4-2, great power and athleticism in the middle with Marchisio and Pogba
Wing play with Sandro and Cuadrado, you get great speed and play making ability
Up front you have Morata as a #9 and Dybala as the #10 playing off of him

It really looks good IMO. Very solid, only if we had licht back...


That's a good lineup. Maybe you could just go the Atletico way and line up Pogba as LM with Hernanes/Khedira in the middle with Marchisio, and leave all the left side to Sandro/Evra.


That would be even better. The priority should be to play Morata centrally with Dybala off of him but we haven't seen that happen


Could work, Sandro did good in his 20 mins cameo as CM this season. But where does this leave Khedira? He didn't sign for us to be bench warmer for sure, and lets not forget with him on the field we haven't lost a game and our midfield gets so much composure. I still think 4-3-1-2 is the way to go but I always loved 4-4-2.
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Post by salmano9 Mon Nov 23, 2015 11:45 am

Injury update:

Hernanes out for 3 weeks... Finally hernanes out of the XI. I can't wait to see pereyra back.
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Post by lucianomoggi Mon Nov 23, 2015 4:02 pm

PERYERA is a new version of GIACHERINI

these guys are good to have for a substitute because you can add some EXTRA ENERGY on the team,
but he is not a STARTING XI product,

his crossing is not special
his finishing is not special
his shots from distance are no special
his dribbling is not special
his passing is not special

at least HERNANES is special when it comes to free-kicks, shots from distance, and nobody can say no to that

PERYERA is good to have him to add that extra energy on second half, but he is not a starting XI product to compensate for the qualities that we need on the team to win the game





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Post by DeviAngel Mon Nov 23, 2015 4:11 pm

lucianomoggi wrote:PERYERA is a new version of GIACHERINI

these guys are good to have for a substitute because you can add some EXTRA ENERGY on the team,
but he is not a STARTING XI product,

his crossing is not special
his finishing is not special
his shots from distance are no special
his dribbling is not special
his passing is not special

at least HERNANES is special when it comes to free-kicks, shots from distance, and nobody can say no to that

PERYERA is good to have him to add that extra energy on second half, but he is not a starting XI product to compensate for the qualities that we need on the team to win the game






Giaccherini? Last season with the run as standart first team player in 5 games he had like 4 assists and 2 goals If I'm not mistaking.

We are speaking of a player who plays for Argentina's NT and for the past months he played in front of or with Di Maria.

The problem is that he is TQ and we keep forcing him to play as CM. You could see in the final against Barca when he was on the field we started creating like crazy, and in every single man in the final third he is menace for the defenders.
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Post by salmano9 Mon Nov 23, 2015 4:35 pm

DeviAngel wrote:
lucianomoggi wrote:PERYERA is a new version of GIACHERINI

these guys are good to have for a substitute because you can add some EXTRA ENERGY on the team,
but he is not a STARTING XI product,

his crossing is not special
his finishing is not special
his shots from distance are no special
his dribbling is not special
his passing is not special

at least HERNANES is special when it comes to free-kicks, shots from distance, and nobody can say no to that

PERYERA is good to have him to add that extra energy on second half, but he is not a starting XI product to compensate for the qualities that we need on the team to win the game






Giaccherini? Last season with the run as standart first team player in 5 games he had like 4 assists and 2 goals If I'm not mistaking.

We are speaking of a player who plays for Argentina's NT and for the past months he played in front of or with Di Maria.

The problem is that he is TQ and we keep forcing him to play as CM. You could see in the final against Barca when he was on the field we started creating like crazy, and in every single man in the final third he is menace for the defenders.

Pereyra outperformed Vidal last year.... Your obsession with Hernanes is too much.
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Post by lucianomoggi Mon Nov 23, 2015 5:45 pm

On a formation such as 4312
You want a combination like one fantasista and two finishers

For example KAKA who runs with the ball and serves the ball for SHEVA and INZAGHI

KRASIC who runs with the ball and serves for QUAGLARELA and MATRI

A combination like MANDZUKIC, MORATA, CUADRADO is good because CUADRADO serves the ball for MANDZUKIC and MORATA who can do the finishing

that is a good combination

If you have a fantasista such as TEVEZ, VUCINIC, DEL PIERO
you may want to use that kind of quality player to serve the ball for MORATA and POGBA to do the finishing

-------- DEL PIERO -- MORATA -------
---------------- POGBA -------------

so you have a player who knows how to pass the ball to two others who can finish

Adding Peryera behind two target men is waste of time because he cannot score goals neither he can serve the ball
He simply runs with the ball for some miles and make a simple pass typical GIACHERINI kind of player

HERNANES at least can shoot the ball
DYBALA at least can shoot the ball
POGBA at least can shoot the ball
CUADRADO at least can cross the ball

So these kind of players is more reasonable to play them on advanced positions

We are no PARMA to add useless players on advanced positions

Peryera is a good substitute player but nothing more






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Post by salmano9 Mon Nov 23, 2015 6:14 pm

lucianomoggi wrote:On a formation such as 4312
You want a combination like one fantasista and two finishers

For example KAKA who runs with the ball and serves the ball for SHEVA and INZAGHI

KRASIC who runs with the ball and serves for QUAGLARELA and MATRI

A combination like MANDZUKIC, MORATA, CUADRADO is good because CUADRADO serves the ball for MANDZUKIC and MORATA who can do the finishing

that is a good combination

If you have a fantasista such as TEVEZ, VUCINIC, DEL PIERO
you may want to use that kind of quality player to serve the ball for MORATA and POGBA to do the finishing

-------- DEL PIERO -- MORATA -------
---------------- POGBA -------------

so you have a player who knows how to pass the ball to two others who can finish

Adding Peryera behind two target men is waste of time because he cannot score goals neither he can serve the ball
He simply runs with the ball for some miles and make a simple pass typical GIACHERINI kind of player

HERNANES at least can shoot the ball
DYBALA at least can shoot the ball
POGBA at least can shoot the ball
CUADRADO at least can cross the ball

So these kind of players is more reasonable to play them on advanced positions

We are no PARMA to add useless players on advanced positions

Peryera is a good substitute player but nothing more






I'm lost of thoughts lol... Quag-Matri never worked in a 433. 433 with Morata isn't working well either. Morata is scoring less, being less effective on the wing and wasted too... Cuadrado, as Devi said adds instability. You don't want strikers to play in the wings to be wasted andjust SHOOT as you say. If we play 433, we need wingers. We can't play 4321 with one winger and one attacking midfielder.... If we shall play Morata Dybala and Cuadrado, the best way to do it at the moment is by using a 352, which will bench Licht. As we see, licht is a starter any day over Cuadrado. We don't have a well defined system.
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Post by lucianomoggi Mon Nov 23, 2015 6:31 pm

if you think about NEDVED he would be a perfect fantasista you may want to have

he was team-work specialist
he could run with the ball
he could serve the ball
he could shoot the ball,

so that makes your team better than other teams because you have a good player there who gives you lots of qualities

the problem is we cannot have NEDVED but improvise from the options we can

CUADRADO can run with the ball and serve the ball,
compared to NEDVED he is extreme limited but at least he can cross the ball
PERYERA can do nothing he is never an option to even consider for a leader

if I was a coach I would only use him as a wing-back to replace LICHTAINER on a 3-5-2 formation because he is physically good , but he doesn't have the qualities for advanced roles

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Post by GIGItheBest Mon Nov 23, 2015 8:29 pm

Pereyra is a better player than Hernanes in my opinion. He's fast, good dribbling, pretty good passing, and his shot is improving. Plus he works hard and is pretty good defensively. He seems to know how to receive the ball, and he's pretty good at taking on his man. Hernanes might have a better shot and free kicks, but that's it. Plus Pereyra is still young and he has time to improve.
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Post by salmano9 Mon Nov 23, 2015 8:34 pm

GIGItheBest wrote:Pereyra is a better player than Hernanes in my opinion. He's fast, good dribbling, pretty good passing, and his shot is improving. Plus he works hard and is pretty good defensively. He seems to know how to receive the ball, and he's pretty good at taking on his man. Hernanes might have a better shot and free kicks, but that's it. Plus Pereyra is still young and he has time to improve.
Yes true. Hernanes isn't a classy player. He doesn't work hard
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