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Post by Andrew Sun Sep 27, 2015 5:23 am

What line-up and formation would you like to see ?

Roster:

GK: Buffon, Neto, Rubinho.
RB: Lichtsteiner, Caceres, Padoin.
RCB: Bonucci, Barzagli.
LCB: Chiellini, Rugani.
LB: Evra, Alex Sandro.

DMF: Marchisio, Lemina.
RCMF: Khedira, Sturaro.
LCMF: Pogba, Asamoah.
CAMF: Hernanes, Pereyra.

SS: Cuadrado, Dybala.
CF: Morata, Mandzukic, Zaza.

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Post by lucianomoggi Sun Sep 27, 2015 1:27 pm

when you want to win the games most of the times you focus on experienced players like MANDZUKIC, HERNANES, KHEDIRA, MARCHISIO,

-------- MANDZUKIC --- MORATA -------------
------------------ CUADRADO ----------------
--------- POGBA ----------------- KHEDIRA -------
-------------------- MARCHISIO ------------
SANDO -- CHIELLINI - BOONNUCCI - LICHTAINER
---------------------- BUFFON ------------------------

I would try this one and second-half substitute HERNANES with CUADRADO
DYBALA with one of the strikers



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Post by DeviAngel Sun Sep 27, 2015 1:34 pm

We gonna win the title again despite this awful start Laughing

Trust me
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Post by lucianomoggi Sun Sep 27, 2015 2:51 pm

DeviAngel wrote:We gonna win the title again despite this awful start Laughing

Trust me


it depends

I think the players are exhausted so I am unsure about our SEASON ,

but it depends on the progress of the players like MORATA, DYBALA, POGBA, LEMINA, ALEX SANDRO

these guys are more fresh, they can do good
they just need to make more progress, learn how to do better team-work

I don't think it is a good idea to "PANIC-BUY" on the JANUARY, unless there is a really good option


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Post by Andrew Sun Sep 27, 2015 2:57 pm

Yeah, I haven't been so relaxed about Juve in ages. With a little bit of luck we will do wonders again, and honestly, the roster we have is by a margin the best in Serie A.

As for the formation, I know that we all despise it but with Cuadrado and Alex Sandro in the roster I would go for 3-5-2. With these 2 around, 3-5-2 would be 100 times better and more functional than it was so far with Lichtsteiner and with whoever played on the left from time to time. It suits Dybala, it suits Morata, it suits Cuadrado and Alex Sandro, it definitely suits our midfielders and with 3 at the back, Rugani will too get some playing time. Also it's a bit weird that we wouldn't change 3-5-2 when we had 2 bang average shifted wing-backs and now with 2 of the best wing-backs around we don't start games with it. 3-5-2 is a win-win situation in my opinion.

Morata Dybala
Alex Sandro Pogba Marchisio Khedira Cuadrado
Chiellini Bonucci Barzagli
Buffon

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Post by lucianomoggi Mon Sep 28, 2015 1:06 pm

I did not understand too much about CUADRADO what kind of player he was, when he came to JUVENTUS, because i did not pay too much attention to the player before he came to JUVENTUS

I though CUADRADO is more of a wing-back without too much responsibilities like ZAMBROTA that you can use him positions like side-back, wing-back

But CUADRADO seems to like to play more advanced, more as a TQ kind of player like BALE, KAKA, KRASIC, NEDVED

These kind of players have some kind of free-role and you dont really use them as a winger of 3-5-2 , you supposed to use them as a TQ like 3-4-1-2 and support him with SANDRO and LICHTAINER

If that is the case it looks really cool
CUADRADO, POGBA, MARCHISIO, these guys should focus on the center-midfieled and they should be supported from SANDRO and LICHTAINER from the wings

---------- DYBALA -------------- MORATA ----------
------------------- CUADRADO ------------------
SANDRO ----- POGBA --------- MARCHISIO ------- LICHTAINER
------- CHIELLINI --- BONUCI ----- BARZALI ---------
-------------------- BUFFON ---------------------

CUADRADO to do somekind of NEDVED
he can start the game as a winger, but he has to move around all there as an AM free- role wherever he likes


















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Post by lucianomoggi Wed Sep 30, 2015 6:28 am

Guys i am with my mobile! The problem i have is i cannot comment or read the comments of other topics whom has got lots of pages

On the other forums i have been before you had numbers that you can click, and go directly to the last page
But this forum doesnt have the numbers it only has the NEXT button,

Now that is not a problem if these topics has no more than three pages , because there is the next button
But if a topic has 100 pages, how can i press 100 times the next button that is too much?


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Post by juvealbanian Wed Sep 30, 2015 6:36 am

Switch to desktop site....top right of mobile site there should be a icon.
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Post by juvealbanian Wed Sep 30, 2015 6:38 am

Go top right....tap the black icon above and then select classic version.
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Post by lucianomoggi Wed Sep 30, 2015 7:25 am

juvealbanian wrote:Go top right....tap the black icon above and then select classic version.


Thnx shum!! Juvealbanian

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Post by salmano9 Thu Oct 01, 2015 11:41 am

I think we can win the league with a full squad Smile
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Post by lucianomoggi Fri Oct 09, 2015 6:56 pm

I have a feeling that POGBA and DYBALA should switch positions because I don't really like the IDEA of making pressure on one player to become " DIFFERENT "

there is too much pressure on POGBA to pass the ball and I really hate that, I think that is really stupid, if you think about it, that would be same like asking C RONALDO to make assists, it just doesn't work that way, trust me

POGBA is no midfield-specialist he cant play behind strikers, but he can play LEFT MIDFIELDER, and TRUST me, I have good feeling that he can play really good as a STRIKER,

I would try this kind of APPROACH

------------ POGBA ------ MORATA ------------
-------------------- DYBALA ------------------
---------LCM -------- CM --------- RCM -------
LB------------ CB ------------ CB ------------- RB


Behind strikers we should use DYBALA or HERNANES, that is no position for POGBA,

ps: what I mean with " HE IS NO MIDFIELD-SPECIALST " I only mean he is no PIRLO, NEDVED, ZIDANE,
because that is what they are expecting from POGBA , to make assists, to lead the game
but me ? I am only expecting him to play like he knows to, otherwise use him as a STRIKER,

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Post by salmano9 Wed Oct 28, 2015 8:35 am

If everyone was fit:

Dybala-Morata-cuadrado (dybala playing more of the trequartista role)

Khedira - Marchisio - pogba

Evra- Chiellini-Bonnuci - Lichtsteiner

Buffon

Sandro would take evra's place in the near future.

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Post by salmano9 Wed Oct 28, 2015 8:38 am

DeviAngel wrote:We gonna win the title again despite this awful start Laughing

Trust me

We will, just like no one expected us to reach the CL final last year. Our midfield is back and last game against Atalanta, everyone exploded. The only player who was really average was mandzukic.
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Post by DeviAngel Wed Oct 28, 2015 11:32 am

salmano9 wrote:
DeviAngel wrote:We gonna win the title again despite this awful start Laughing

Trust me

We will, just like no one expected us to reach the CL final last year. Our midfield is back and last game against Atalanta, everyone exploded. The only player who was really average was mandzukic.


He hasn't gelled with the team yet... He was injured until yesterday.

Give him time.
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Post by juvealbanian Wed Oct 28, 2015 3:59 pm

Haha guys I really like your optimism but get down to reality.

We will not win Serie A this year, can't you see we and our dear duo (Allegri & Marotta) are running out of excuses?

First we needed some time to gel...do we really need more? Probably yes but this aint pre-season.

Next we had the injures excuse,now we have most our players back but we are not doing what it takes to recover the distance.

My point is that we went into this season totally panicked and without a plan.

There is a "rule" in football where you never change a wining team,you only improve it...have we improved it?

Now I'm not going again to retell the story of why we miss Tevez,Vidal and even old man Pirlo but I hope now all fans have understood that the shitty mercato and Marotta did this...and Allegri is not capable of leading a sinking ship.


I missed most of this match and I'm really done watching our poor performances,I still support our players and hope somehow we turn this around but I want Marotta fired ASAP maybe even Allegri.I know that would not be easy but better suffer now and learn to improve i future than live with incapable parasits like Marotta,that man single-handedly destroyed a CL finalist in a month,other words from now on I will forever hate him Smile
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Post by Luca Wed Oct 28, 2015 4:09 pm

Too many individuals on this team
Midfield really lacked a composed player like Marchisio today. It looked like every time possession was one, it was given away within 3 passes. Lack of direction up front

You can see the ability in this team, just yet to see this team play with some real purpose, direction and passion

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Post by lucianomoggi Wed Oct 28, 2015 4:38 pm

Luca wrote:Too many individuals on this team
Midfield really lacked a composed player like Marchisio today. It looked like every time possession was one, it was given away within 3 passes. Lack of direction up front

You can see the ability in this team, just yet to see this team play with some real purpose, direction and passion


that is because there is no enough EXPERIENCE, KNOWLEGE

if you watch the game carefully the last 10 minutes with HERNANES the team was much more balanced , he was passing the ball from one wing- to another , he was adding much more pressure on the center-midfield so the opponent was surrendering the WINGS and focusing on the CENTER


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Post by Luca Wed Oct 28, 2015 5:45 pm

lucianomoggi wrote:
Luca wrote:Too many individuals on this team
Midfield really lacked a composed player like Marchisio today. It looked like every time possession was one, it was given away within 3 passes. Lack of direction up front

You can see the ability in this team, just yet to see this team play with some real purpose, direction and passion


that is because there is no enough EXPERIENCE, KNOWLEGE

if you watch the game carefully the last 10 minutes with HERNANES the team was much more balanced , he was passing the ball from one wing- to another , he was adding much more pressure on the center-midfield so the opponent was surrendering the WINGS and focusing on the CENTER



Hernanes sucked

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Post by DeviAngel Wed Oct 28, 2015 7:19 pm

I think Allegri is starting to lose the 'ship'
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Post by lucianomoggi Wed Oct 28, 2015 9:15 pm

@DEVI

I get frustrated with some decisions that are being made; But I don't really blame the coach too much because ALEGRI main focus here is to create a new winning cycle

if you think about it; ALEGRI is being sacrificed for the future;

when our players grow up together; and learn team-work and all that than it is someone who has to come with STRICT DISCIPLINES like CONTE , but at this moment we don't really need that kind of a coach; our youngsters need more freedom to grow up


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Post by Andrew Thu Oct 29, 2015 12:57 am

The players seem confused, not knowing wtf to do. The shirt and the name of Juventus alone won't win them games and they can't seem to realize that.

Allegri needs to pick 1, one, uno freaking formation and stick with it. It isn't time to rotate players or tinker with formations. I've read that he changed 13 line-ups since the beginning of the season and that's way, way too much for a team that needs time to gel.

On the other hand Marotta is at fault for this too because all Allegri asked for was a proper trequartista so he could stick with his 4-3-1-2 but instead he went and bought him Conte's 3-5-2 fetish player in Cuadrado, 1 season after we've supposedly ditched that formation.

TL; DR FML

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Post by lucianomoggi Fri Oct 30, 2015 10:46 am

I don't think a formation is the problem,

the problem is that we have a group of U22 players who still are not ready to dominate the world and a group of +30 players who are not exactly game-winners

this kind of combination is not exactly a success recipe but it is promising for the future

our only option is to enjoy these youngsters GROW ;
I don't think we can dominate SERIE A for a moment unless someone performs like RONALDINHO to take all the pressure on himself

I was expecting CUADRADO and HERNANES to lead the team better; I don't know

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Post by Luca Fri Oct 30, 2015 11:00 am

Andrew_p wrote:The players seem confused, not knowing wtf to do. The shirt and the name of Juventus alone won't win them games and they can't seem to realize that.

Allegri needs to pick 1, one, uno freaking formation and stick with it. It isn't time to rotate players or tinker with formations. I've read that he changed 13 line-ups since the beginning of the season and that's way, way too much for a team that needs time to gel.

On the other hand Marotta is at fault for this too because all Allegri asked for was a proper trequartista so he could stick with his 4-3-1-2 but instead he went and bought him Conte's 3-5-2 fetish player in Cuadrado, 1 season after we've supposedly ditched that formation.

TL; DR FML


He has been sticking with the same formation lately.
I think it comes down to midfield balance, for example
Pogba-Marchisio-Khedira versus Pogba-Lemina-Sturaro
Apart from the difference in quality, there is better balance in the latter.

This team is horrendous at creating. Absolutely atrocious at times going forward and I believe that comes down to the midfield. Up front you have Dybala and Morata with Pogba supporting the attack and Evra or Sandro on the left, and Cuadrado on the right side.

I would almost like to see:

Dybala-Morata-Berardi
Pogba-Marchisio-Cuadrado
Evra-Chiellini-Bonucci-Barzagli
Buffon


Now that would be a fast and strong team but weak defensively Laughing

Anyways, something has to give. The defense has looked much better in the passed 4-5 games but the attack has not yet joined them. Midfield has gone from the strongest point to one of the most disappointing. So far, this just looks like an incomplete team

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Post by lucianomoggi Fri Oct 30, 2015 11:51 am

adding another U22 player doesn't improve the game
we don't need COMMAN, BERARDI

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