Do we all agree this man is the greatest Right back of all time?

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Post by Donuts Wed Jul 01, 2015 5:50 pm

he kept a prime cr7 in his pocket multiple times
i'd say his defending is pretty world class compared to all the other right backs in the past 15 years.

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Post by free_cat Thu Jul 02, 2015 10:44 am

I can understand those who mention Cafú... but Thuram? Really? Nowhere near Alves.
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Post by jibers Thu Jul 02, 2015 11:14 am

free_cat wrote:I can understand those who mention Cafú... but Thuram? Really? Nowhere near Alves.


yes, just like pogba is several levels above Verratti and Pedro is better than stoichkov.

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Post by M99 Thu Jul 02, 2015 12:03 pm

free_cat wrote:I can understand those who mention Cafú... but Thuram? Really? Nowhere near Alves.


Nowhere near Laughing What's next, Alba is better than Maldini?
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Post by Valkyrja Thu Jul 02, 2015 12:39 pm

Albadini, Bartresi and Piquenbauer :bow:
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Post by Valkyrja Thu Jul 02, 2015 12:49 pm

Thuram in his prime was a beast, either at CB or RB. One of the best defenders to step on a football field. While he didn't have Alves' or Cafu's creative spark going forward he was very effective, while in defense he was fantastic. He was one of the best RBs while playing there and one of the best CBs as well. Absolute beast. Cannavaro's BDor and WC06(where Lilian also had one hell of a tournament) kinda overshadows the time when he was carried by the Frenchman while at Parma and also at Juve.

Don't judge Thuram based on his performances at Barca at 34-36. He was way past it during his stint in Catalonia
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Post by Kick Thu Jul 02, 2015 12:54 pm

I disliked Thuram so much, but he is obviously one of the greats and a deserving mention.
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Post by Doc Sun Jul 19, 2015 5:50 am

What's most interesting is that you know in your heart and soul that Free is rather serious with his statement about Thuram and Alves. Didn't think he could top his Pedro better than Stoichkov though.
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Post by Myesyats Sun Jul 19, 2015 5:57 am

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dani_Alves#Honours

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Post by Cruijf Sun Jul 19, 2015 6:52 pm

For the record, Maicon was never at any point on the same planet as Dani Alves. One was a great attacking fullback. The other was a once in a generation player. People are underrating how unique Dani Alves was, such a complete mix of defensive, physical, and technical qualities.
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Post by Robespierre Sun Jul 19, 2015 9:51 pm

I don't know , and not because I am Inter fan . he improve so much to defence since his first year, infact serie a is not liga a fullback must can defend , it's a basic requisite, and it was the reason why hodgson sold roberto carlos :facepalm: Laughing surely he is not behind about     physical ... it's debatable who's better but surely I believe there is  not  this massive difference among 2 . Besides wasn't Maicon the starter in Brazil and not Alves ? hmm
Maicon was a bit penalized from his professional ethics anyway , he 'd lasted much more with a Cafu-esque ethic but for example ..he loves so much to drink . rumours say Florentino Perez didn't want him in Madrid for this reason , in Milano we could forgive him if he wasn't  impeccable about it because he could be equally great ... but in the long run he was slowed down from it , it is not a matter of quality. Very complete player
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Post by The Franchise Sun Jul 19, 2015 10:16 pm

Maicon to me was a really great "normal" fullback.

When I say normal I mean like, if you were to create a fullback in the lab it might come out something like Maicon.

Tall, fast, strong, great control, can dribble, runs all day, amazing overlaps and tremendous crossing with an ability shoot from distance.

But Dani Alves is different, he misses some things Maicon had (power, size) but he does things a normal fullback wouldnt even compute. He play's 1-2, sometimes more than 1 in a row, he dribbles inside, he makes passes like a midfielder (with both feet) such as through balls and chipped passes. He has legitimate midfield skills combined with extraordinary physical capability.

Maicon did everything a fullback should do (going forward), Dani Alves did things you dont expect a fullback to.
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Post by RealGunner Sun Jul 19, 2015 10:18 pm

The Franchise wrote:Maicon to me was a really great "normal" fullback.

When I say normal I mean like, if you were to create a fullback in the lab it might come out something like Maicon.

Tall, fast, strong, great control, can dribble, runs all day, amazing overlaps and tremendous crossing with an ability shoot from distance.

But Dani Alves is different, he misses some things Maicon had (power, size) but he does things a normal fullback wouldnt even compute. He play's 1-2, sometimes more than 1 in a row, he dribbles inside, he makes passes like a midfielder (with both feet) such as through balls and chipped passes. He has legitimate midfield skills combined with extraordinary physical capability.

Maicon did everything a fullback should do (going forward), Dani Alves did things you dont expect a fullback to.


Probably the best answer I've read to Maicon vs Alves debates, ever.


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Post by ahmad25 Mon Jul 20, 2015 8:53 pm

RealGunner wrote:
The Franchise wrote:Maicon to me was a really great "normal" fullback.

When I say normal I mean like, if you were to create a fullback in the lab it might come out something like Maicon.

Tall, fast, strong, great control, can dribble, runs all day, amazing overlaps and tremendous crossing with an ability shoot from distance.

But Dani Alves is different, he misses some things Maicon had (power, size) but he does things a normal fullback wouldnt even compute. He play's 1-2, sometimes more than 1 in a row, he dribbles inside, he makes passes like a midfielder (with both feet) such as through balls and chipped passes. He has legitimate midfield skills combined with extraordinary physical capability.

Maicon did everything a fullback should do (going forward), Dani Alves did things you dont expect a fullback to.


Probably the best answer I've read to Maicon vs Alves debates, ever.


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Post by Killer Sun Aug 16, 2015 3:12 am

you are mad, he is shit in defense..

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Post by VivaStPauli Sun Aug 16, 2015 8:48 am

Lahm is back at RB, we can all go back to doing something else now.
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Post by Valkyrja Sun Aug 16, 2015 9:10 am

Lahm was never better than Alves
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Post by McAgger Sun Aug 16, 2015 9:17 am

Alves has always been better than Lahm at RB, it's never been even a doubt in my mind about that.
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Post by FilthyLuca Mon Aug 17, 2015 5:13 pm

Except Alves doesn't defend like Lahm or Maicon. and hes allowed to do the things he does because of the team he's one. theres nothing to indicate the other two wouldnt be perfectly capable of playing like alves were they instructed to.

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Post by Killer Fri Aug 21, 2015 3:14 pm

lol Alves better right back the lahm??
Alves is shit compared to lahm..

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Post by LeBéninois Fri Aug 21, 2015 3:16 pm

Killer wrote:lol Alves better right back the lahm??
Alves is shit compared to lahm..


Simply :facepalm:


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Post by Myesyats Fri Aug 21, 2015 4:09 pm

Killer wrote:lol Alves better right back the lahm??
Alves is shit compared to lahm..

Alright... Thanks for sharing your fatiguing input with us but now go get them books and a pencil 'cause school is only a few days away.

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Post by The Franchise Fri Aug 21, 2015 10:00 pm

FilthyLuca wrote:Except Alves doesn't defend like Lahm or Maicon. and hes allowed to do the things he does because of the team he's one. theres nothing to indicate the other two wouldnt be perfectly capable of playing like alves were they instructed to.


There is one thing which indicates it. Neither have the skill to do it.
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Post by Cruijf Sat Aug 22, 2015 5:07 am

Couldn't agree more. Lahm may be more well rounded then Maicon, but even he would struggle immensely in Dani Alves' role. I genuinely am struggling to think of a single player I have seen in my life that can do what Dani Alves did in his prime. To offer so much to a team, to fulfill so many jobs without being subpar in any of them, is truly incredible.
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