ISIS terror attacks around the world

FennecFox7 wrote:And I am absolutely ashamed of our people right now. Tunisians, Algerians and Moroccans need to stand together and find a solution because the extremism is coming from our region

It's not just the extremism, also utter disrespect of women in too many cases (the mass sexual assaults in Cologne at New Year were mostly committed by young men of North African descent, too).

Punishing an entire religion for the actions of a few is not the answer, Art. That's ideological laziness.

I get that you're tired of these attacks, but throwing up your hands and saying "close the border" is not particularly productive. It's not going to stop these attacks. That's akin to a child throwing their hands around their ears and screaming "make it stop!". It won't help.

Frankly, I don't know what the answer is to solving this problem. It's a hard one, especially for a country like France that is so diverse. I just know it's tempting for many to want to slide into the, insipid, yet casual bigotry of scrutinizing someone based on their religion or ethnicity, but I think that needs to be resisted and there must be realization that harder work will need to be done to root out these 1-2 person terrorist cells, these lone wolves, and other threats. There's nothing to fear from hard work as the easiest road taken is rarely the best road taken.

West can destroy ISIS in weeks if they WANT to.

1- Cut their fundings. don't let anyone buy their oil. that's easy work.
2- Don't let Saudi support them and but them guns.
3- I know west hates Asad and Iraqi government, but for fracks sake help them fight ISIS for REAL.

ISIS will not go away if the powers doesn't want it to. politics are dirty my friends. if they want middle east chaotic, they have to accept the consequences.

Soudi Arabia and Qatar likes ISIS for the fact that they are anti shite and they can be used for the proxy war against Iran. Both these countries and Isis follows Wahhabi ideology. While both these countries does not want ISIS in their country since there is a chance Isis will topple the Royal Monarchs. Qatar and Soudi are so finding ISIS troops in Syria and other places while taking strict measures to stop them in their home soil.

Currently most of their funds are generated internally, by selling oil, tax etc.

This whole clusterfuk is one hilarious loop anyway. It started with the oil prices staying too high. The OPEC countries (Soudi,iran,venezuela,nigeria) etc were happy because they were getting high profit. Now high oil price pissed off west so U.S did a classic M.B.A move. They decided to break the unity in OPEC. They did this by starting production of Shale gas , production of Shale gas wasn't cheaper than oil production but they adjusted with low profit and government support. Now to drive away competition Soudi decided to lower the oil price to very low level.

This move was exactly what U.S wanted. Soudi became budget deficit, infact all the OPEC countries recorded budget deficit. Soudi unlike other countries had huge reserves of fund so they could take the punch but other members of OPEC were not prepared for this. Venezuela inflation went to 720,iran also struggled badly. Now the unity in OPEC was lost, infact they all hated Soudi for bringing this situation upon them by over production.

Iran and Soudi started Proxy wars in Yemen and Syria. Which displaced millions, so many went to Europe and U.K which inturn resulted in Brexit and France killings.

Qatar does not practice Wahabbism, stop talking shit about stuff you have no idea about

Qatar follows Saudi. enough said.

Can you elaborate? If anything Qatar-Saudi ties has worsened in recent years, with Saudi pulling their ambassador last year from Qatar

People just grouping Qatar with Saudi because of the whole WC thing

Rest assured, we dont cut your hand if you steal, we let women drive, we do everything like the UAE, which Saudi doesn't like

German Development Minister Gerd Mueller accused Qatar on Wednesday of financing Islamic State militants who have seized wide areas of northern Iraq and have posted a video of a captive American journalist being beheaded.

"This kind of conflict, this kind of a crisis always has a history ... The ISIS troops, the weapons - these are lost sons, with some of them from Iraq," Mueller told German public broadcaster ZDF.

"You have to ask who is arming, who is financing ISIS troops. The keyword there is Qatar - and how do we deal with these people and states politically?" said Mueller, a member of the Christian Social Union (CSU), the center-right Bavarian sister party of Angela Merkel's Christian Democrats.


You think Qatar does not fund ISIS don't you?

Adit wrote: German Development Minister Gerd Mueller accused Qatar on Wednesday of financing Islamic State militants who have seized wide areas of northern Iraq and have posted a video of a captive American journalist being beheaded.

"This kind of conflict, this kind of a crisis always has a history ... The ISIS troops, the weapons - these are lost sons, with some of them from Iraq," Mueller told German public broadcaster ZDF.

"You have to ask who is arming, who is financing ISIS troops. The keyword there is Qatar - and how do we deal with these people and states politically?" said Mueller, a member of the Christian Social Union (CSU), the center-right Bavarian sister party of Angela Merkel's Christian Democrats.


You think Qatar does not fund ISIS don't you?

What would a christian development minister in Germany know about Middle Eastern politics?

Moreover, if we are financing ISIS? Why does the US central hub for the middle east is in Qatar?

Why are they conducting bombing runs with us against them?

http://uk.businessinsider.com/the-us-is-sending-b-52s-to-qatar-to-pummel-isis-2016-4

U.S kiss ass of any one with oil. They are strategic partner with most undemocratic Soudi ffs. U.S banned Hamas while your King openly supports them. It does not say anything.

It is not just one minister , many countries politicians have pointed out Qatar as the funding organisation of many terrorist organizations.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Qatar_and_state-sponsored_terrorism

Here it is.. From Al Quids during bin Laden's era to Hamas to Isis.

Dictatorship doesnt look so bad anymore

McLewis wrote:Punishing an entire religion for the actions of a few is not the answer, Art. That's ideological laziness.

I get that you're tired of these attacks, but throwing up your hands and saying "close the border" is not particularly productive. It's not going to stop these attacks. That's akin to a child throwing their hands around their ears and screaming "make it stop!". It won't help.

Frankly, I don't know what the answer is to solving this problem. It's a hard one, especially for a country like France that is so diverse. I just know it's tempting for many to want to slide into the, insipid, yet casual bigotry of scrutinizing someone based on their religion or ethnicity, but I think that needs to be resisted and there must be realization that harder work will need to be done to root out these 1-2 person terrorist cells, these lone wolves, and other threats. There's nothing to fear from hard work as the easiest road taken is rarely the best road taken.

But that's the question we have to ask, do we want to stop these terrorist attacks in Europe? The answer is obviously 'yes'. The only way to do that? Don't let people from these "terrorism territories" into Europe. That's literally the only way. I don't care anymore if 99,999% of them are harmless; if that 00,001% can kill over 80 European civilians simply by having a truck, that's a price I'm not willing to pay.

RIP to all the victims. I don't think there's an answer to this. Acts of terrorism have existed since the dawn of civilization and will until we end up wiping ourselves out. I do see countries locking down their borders in the future, although I'm not sure how much good that will do as places like France and Belgium have a huge second and third generation immigrant population where a lot of these extremists are coming from. Doing that will make some of these individuals & communities further disconnected from the country most of them were born and raised in and we'll end up firmly in an 'us vs them' situation.

I only see attacks like this getting worse as time goes on and it's really depressing. I mean how can you realistically stop some guy nutcase from deciding he is going to drive a lorry into a crowd of people? It's going to get to the point where nobody will want to leave their home and go to public events. What's more depressing is that we're at the point where this sort of thing makes the new for a couple of weeks and we move on to the next tragedy and these people are mostly forgotten.

So in the last 10 months we've had the following attacks:

October 2015 - 224 killed downed Russian metro jet plane
November 2015 - 130 killed in Paris
December 2015 - 14 killed in San Bernardino
March 2016 - 32 killed in Brussels
June 2016 - 49 killed in Orlando
June 2016 - 45 killed in Istanbul
July 2016 - 200+ killed in Baghdad
July 2016 - 77 killed in Nice

saw this online and that doesn't even mention the countless people dying to the likes of ISIS on a daily basis in the middle east

Art, buddy, do you really believe Europe or any other country can have a 100% border control ? If so drug trade would be a thing of a past. The fact of the matter is this, a ban will only stop the innocent people from getting there (whether you wanna host refugees or not is a different issue) while those with bad intentions will always find a way.

While we are at it, can we also ban alcohol so we can get rid of all the deaths and rapes caused by alcoholics?

I don't care anymore if 99,9999% are safe drinkers and harmless; if that 00,0001% can kill someone from driving under influence or sexual harassment after being drunk or cause domestic violence due to being drunk, then that's a price I'm not willing to pay

Surely we can do it in a way where those who enjoy a good drink and are safe are not punished

Great Leader Sprucenuce wrote:Surely we can do it in a way where those who enjoy a good drink and are safe are not punished

Sadly they are the only ones who will be targeted because very few have the guts to confront the actual drunkard.

RealGunner wrote:While we are at it, can we also ban alcohol so we can get rid of all the deaths and rapes caused by alcoholics?

I don't care anymore if 99,9999% are safe drinkers and harmless; if that 00,0001% can kill socmeone from driving under influence or sexual harassment after being drunk or cause domestic violence due to being drunk, then that's a price I'm not willing to pay

are you comparing international Islamic terrorism to getting drunk and having a fight.

Unique wrote:

RealGunner wrote:While we are at it, can we also ban alcohol so we can get rid of all the deaths and rapes caused by alcoholics?

I don't care anymore if 99,9999% are safe drinkers and harmless; if that 00,0001% can kill socmeone from driving under influence or sexual harassment after being drunk or cause domestic violence due to being drunk, then that's a price I'm not willing to pay

are you comparing international Islamic terrorism to getting drunk and having a fight.

Where did I say "getting drunk and having a fight" in my post?

This attack has not been reported as a religiously motivated attack. Nor it has come as an ISIS related attack.

It's been reported as a lorry attack by a guy who has had a criminal record because of violence and theft and someone who has been divorced due to it.

RealGunner wrote:This attack has not been reported as a religiously motivated attack. Nor it has come as an ISIS related attack.

It's been reported as a lorry attack by a guy who has had a criminal record because of violence and theft and someone who has been divorced due to it.

well that escalated quickly. Yesterday he was a petty crook. Today he is a mass murderer

Humans are awful tbh.

This has absolutely no connection with ISIS, and so far it doesn't look like it has any connection to terrorist group, let alone islamic ones.
It's intersting that even with someone as reasonable as Robes, the first instinct seems to be to rank any incident into the "under attack from ISIS" rubric and post about it in this thread.

We need to wise up. We've been brainwashed, stupidified if you will, by decades of terrorism propaganda.
We need to be able to differentiate between different things.
Else we'll all end up supporting a continuation, or even intensification, of a terrible policy which has made the world exponentially more unsafe in the last decade, and who's only true beneficiaries are weapons manufacturers, defense industry, security, surveillance and cybersurveillance corporations. The so-called 'war on terror' which has been a fateful, horrible, absolutely disastrous notion, and the grave digger of the very fundaments of our western constitutions.

Hmm

http://heatst.com/uk/exclusive-france-suppressed-news-of-gruesome-torture-at-bataclan-massacre/

This is apparently the source, in French: http://www.assemblee-nationale.fr/14/rap-enq/r3922-t2.asp

Unique wrote:French president now saying they will tighten the borders. bit late for that now.

Disgusting stuff from Hollande. Perpetrator was a French guy.

Hapless_Hans wrote:This has absolutely no connection with ISIS, and so far it doesn't look like it has any connection to terrorist group, let alone islamic ones.
It's intersting that even with someone as reasonable as Robes, the first instinct seems to be to rank any incident into the "under attack from ISIS" rubric and post about it in this thread.

We need to wise up. We've been brainwashed, stupidified if you will, by decades of terrorism propaganda.
We need to be able to differentiate between different things.
Else we'll all end up supporting a continuation, or even intensification, of a terrible policy which has made the world exponentially more unsafe in the last decade, and who's only true beneficiaries are weapons manufacturers, defense industry, security, surveillance and cybersurveillance corporations. The so-called 'war on terror' which has been a fateful, horrible, absolutely disastrous notion, and the grave digger of the very fundaments of our western constitutions.

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