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Post by DeletedUser#1 Sun Apr 19, 2015 5:26 pm

I said FA Cup is the one for me, and he absolute bottled a big game.

I'll revise this post to detailed why I have finally turned after my nerves cool down.

Shaking here....Sign up if you want a new manager this summer.

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Post by Dredg Sun Apr 19, 2015 5:43 pm

Agree.



BR Game over.
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Post by Art Morte Sun Apr 19, 2015 6:50 pm

If there was a sense that we're going forward, improving under him, I wouldn't mind keeping him. But it's been three years and quite a lot of cash spent - and there's very little to show for it.

Yes, I'd rather we changed manager.

However, that said:

- I've a feeling FSG will keep him.

- It's not easy to find a good manager and I don't have full confidence in FSG's ability to recognize good managers, they're still very inexperienced about football. Although Klopp would be the obvious choice if he's interested. But even if Rodgers was sacked, that wouldn't be enough for me to start rejoicing, I'd have to wait and see who the replacement would be.
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Post by Muppet Sun Apr 19, 2015 7:37 pm

And here we go...
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Post by McAgger Sun Apr 19, 2015 10:57 pm

I wouldn't fire him if we don't already have a better replacement in place.

For example, if we have Klopp already showing interest that he's willing to take over, then yes fire Rodgers by all means as he isn't half the manager Klopp is.

But if the plan is to fire Rodgers, then start some garbage interview process like they did last time, then no please. We'd probably end up with a worse manager.
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Post by mr-r34 Mon Apr 20, 2015 2:08 am

RA is coming for his apologies boys and right now i'm considering giving it to him.
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Post by mr-r34 Mon Apr 20, 2015 2:14 am

Would anyone entertain the idea of Rafa?
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Post by DeletedUser#1 Mon Apr 20, 2015 2:59 am

mr-r34 wrote:Would anyone entertain the idea of Rafa?


Absolutely. Rafa and Klopp should be the first people being already contacted by FSG. But I suspect they won't (because, young and potential you know).

We have consistently bottled big games....and we need managers who have experience at winning big games. Because, in order to win trophies, you need to win big games, and BR has consistently bottled those games.

3 of them within the last 3 weeks. I can't believe how pathetically we've folded in those 3 games. Unbelievable.

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Post by Curtinho Mon Apr 20, 2015 3:41 am

Hmmm...if only Manchester United had been as hasty as you lot with Ferguson.

I think FSG is a little more level headed but we'll see. I'll cheer for Liverpool regardless and not whine about either outcome.
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Post by DeletedUser#1 Mon Apr 20, 2015 3:46 am

Alright, SO I've cooled down a bit after 7 hours of reading different arguments about BR and wasting my entire Sunday to it. Also 3 glasses of Scotch and 3 beers later. Reasons for my stance:

1) Consistent failure in big games:
We consistently bottle it when there is a big prize at stake. We look mentally scared and unprepared. We abandon our philosophies and go into a shell and it all stems from the manager. We sat deep against a relegation Villa side today and let them dictate the tempo. We made Basel, Besiktas and Ludogorest look a lot better than they are. It's becoming a pattern.

2) Consistent love for sentimentality:
Did Fergie ever play Beckham/Giggs in a game of this magnitude because they were gonna retire soon ? Gerrard barely touched the ball all game, and we ended up going back to Skrtel-Lovren CB combo with Gerrard DM in second half where Rodgers himself admitted it was the lowest point of the season in that Palace 1-3 game. How do you go back to a combination that led to our worst ever start in 50 seasons in the biggest game of the year ?

3) Rodger's defeatist attitude: "The occasion got to our players". And it didn't get to Villa ? We're Liverpool FFC. We weren't playing Barca at Camp Nou. We were playing Villa managed by Tim freaking Sherwood and the occasion got to us ? More like the occasion got to you mate !

4) Transfers: For all the flak the TC gets (And most of it rightly so), it's not as Rodgers has amazing transfer platform. By all reports, HIS own signing during his tenure have been Borini, Allen, Lallana, Lovren, Lambert...and he desperately wanted Ashley Williams, Bony and Bertrand while he apparently opposed Sakho and Sterling (2 of our 3 best signing under him). No ,I don't trust this man's spottment of talent.

4) lack of Identity: When he first started, I saw a pattern developing. you could see the team is going somewhere with 4-4-3. there was progress. then the season after we switched completely 180 degrees to counter attacking footy cuz we had an attack of a generation...then this season he goes back to the failed 4-3-3...it fails again, he rightly changes it up, and then today he changed formation 5 times in first 45 minutes. I don't think eve he knows what formation he wants to play, let alone the players. we looked utterly lost. 3 years later, I still have no idea what our identity or blueprint as a team is.

5) 2 PROVEN WINNERS, who by all likeylihood kill to manage us are available. It's about opportunities. We have Klopp who Hongistein reckons much rather us than City (and our budget compared to BVB's is like comparing Man U's budget to Stoke's)...and Rafa, a man with his family here, who absolute loves the club and would take us over anything....available both for free this summer. Why hope in wilderness that Rodgers learns, when the ready-made alternatives and proven winners are available for free ?

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Post by DeletedUser#1 Mon Apr 20, 2015 3:47 am

El Cujo wrote:Hmmm...if only Manchester United had been as hasty as you lot with Ferguson.

I think FSG is a little more level headed but we'll see. I'll cheer for Liverpool regardless and not whine about either outcome.


That's the shittiest argument ever.

Football has changed since 1986.

Plus, for every Ferguson, there are 100 duds. You'd probably backed Newcastle's long deal for Pardew too.

I'm more concerned about future of Liverpool FC than future of Brendan Rodgers who makes 80k/week. Double more than what I make a year.

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Post by McAgger Mon Apr 20, 2015 4:01 am

I agree with you Sepp. Completely agree with those points.

My quarrel still remains the same as I posted above

Don't call me James wrote:I wouldn't fire him if we don't already have a better replacement in place.

For example, if we have Klopp already showing interest that he's willing to take over, then yes fire Rodgers by all means as he isn't half the manager Klopp is.

But if the plan is to fire Rodgers, then start some garbage interview process like they did last time, then no please. We'd probably end up with a worse manager.


And yes I would take a punt on Rafa. He shits on Rodgers as a manager and it's not very close.

My biggest problem with Rodgers isn't even his coaching or tactics. It's the fact that 3 years later and having spent more money than any manager in the history of our club, this current squad is the weakest I can remember it. Yes even worse than 10-11. At least we had Suarez, Kuyt, Agger, better Gerrard, prime Lucas, Meireles, Maxi who were mental lions and winners at heart.

Rodgers HAS NO IDEA how to build a team. I swear to god had this committee not been in place and Rodgers had his say we would have Ashley Williams, Bertrand, Ings, Sinclair, Sigurdson, Ben Davies, Caulker, and Brendan's son playing for Liverpool.

Honestly, I can't stand to watch Joe Allen play another football match in a Liverpool jersey. I cringe. It hurts me physically.

BY all means the current committee is ultra shit, but by gawd we would in a worse place with worse players had Rodgers gotten his say.

However, only fire him if they have a world class manager already agreed to take us over. God knows there are worse alternatives than Brendan out there. Could end up with one season wonders like Pochettino or Roberto Martinez ffs.
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Post by Curtinho Mon Apr 20, 2015 4:11 am

I'm not concerned about Rodgers at all. I think he'll go on to be quite a good manager wherever he is. Like I said before I'll not whine either way, and I will support Liverpool regardless of who our manager is.

That said you guys can't seem to see the forest for the trees. Rodgers has made mistakes, but he also put together the most exciting season we've had in almost a decade. You keep mentioning how this is Liverpool and we should be winning, and we should have the best, and blah blah blah. You then go on to point out how our players are just not Liverpool quality, and fail to mention how elite players have consistently turned us down of late. Rodgers led us to an amazing title challenge that was a slip away from coming to fruition when nobody expected it at all. We scored over 100 goals and guess what? We lost both of our strikers from that season (Sturridge has either been injured, or shit for us this year). Sterling has seen a drop in form, Coutinho was in poor form to start the season, Gerrard fell off the face of the earth after the slip, Johnson is garbage, Mignolet was in the worst form of his career early in the season, etc. we've had injuries up and down the line-up, and elite players would prefer to play for one of Chelsea/City/United/Arsenal or hell, even Tottenham has won over us in transfers.

Complain about Rodgers all you want but the reality is that until our young, potentially elite players develop into elite players or we start being able to attract them we're not going to win much in this EPL -- tout the Liverpool history all you want but all of Chelsea, City, Arsenal and United not only easily out-draw us, but easily outspend us. Now that doesn't excuse losing to Villa because we should have beaten them, but the players have to take some responsibility too, they have been toothless. Give Rodgers a squad that Chelsea or United has and see if we don't do better than being carried by an inconsistent 22 year old and a 24 year old engine.

Anyway, at the end of the day I didn't have any expectations for this season with all the turn-over, injuries, lack of early form to our key players and the loss of Suarez. I personally would give Rodgers another year, but I won't be heartbroken if they choose not to.
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Post by Art Morte Mon Apr 20, 2015 6:46 am

+1 to Sepi's post Thumbs up

Good points well made.

If this was our first season with Rodgers, I'd be fine with it. I'd be fine with the lack of identity, formations and player roles changing around all the time, I'd be fine with the little disappointing way we spent last summer's transfer budget. There would be the feeling that we're on our way, that this is just the start. But it's been three full seasons now and this really isn't where we should be right now.

McAgger says we shouldn't fire Rodgers unless we know we can get someone good in. I understand where he's coming from, it's no good doing a Tottenham and bringing in another manager who takes you nowhere. Personally I'd sack him anyway, but like I said, not start celebrating just because of that. We'd have to wait and see who comes in.

But you know what, I think the players could actually do with the lift - or the feeling of change - that changing the manager would bring, no matter who the replacement was. I mean, do you think the players have full belief in Rodgers any more? I mean, let's think about the players now:

Does Gerrard himself believe Rodgers has managed him right? Starting him at his age in an attacking role when it's been years since Gerrard has played CAM? All the managers Gerrard has worked with at Liverpool, do you think Rodgers ranks in his top-5? If Gerrard could speak out his mind, do you think he'd say Rodgers is the right man for Liverpool?

What does Sakho think - our best CB this season with Skrtel - when he sees Rodgers signing a player like Lovren to bench him? (Only for the inevitable to happen and Sakho show he's much better).

Do you think the players have full faith in Rodgers abilities, especially considering how randomly Rodgers seems to try things out? Does Henderson think he should be playing wing-back to accommodate Lucas and Allen? Does Sterling believe it's the best for his development and recognition as a player to go from winger to AM to striker to wing-back?

I'm not feeling confident going into next season under Rodgers, but the much worse thing is that I'm not sure do the players have that confidence, either.


Ps. No thanks to Rafa. He's done OK with Napoli, but nothing to make me think he's the solution to our problems. Would give me a feeling of treading water.
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Post by Nishankly Mon Apr 20, 2015 7:16 am

I completely agree with Sepi's point 4.

We have no system in place, Even with a normal starting 11 it takes me atleast 2 guesses to get the formation right.
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Post by mr-r34 Mon Apr 20, 2015 9:26 am

Man Gerrard in an attacking role or defensive role is a *bleep* up.

Rodgers was always in a lose/lose with Gerrard.
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Post by Art Morte Mon Apr 20, 2015 9:38 am

Gerrard did just fine in that midfield anchor role last season and he hasn't really regressed from then.
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Post by mr-r34 Mon Apr 20, 2015 9:46 am

Yeah he has, his quality is not worth a starting spot in any position and everybody knows that.

His hardly an attacking threat(minus set pieces) so even as a game changer we could do better.

Mentally his been destroyed after last season, his a passenger in some games his played and his being forced in a deep role which at certain times makes us adjust the whole team for him .
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Post by Red Alert Mon Apr 20, 2015 9:56 am

El Cujo wrote:.


Do you honestly read anything you write? Or do you just write an essay with misleading "facts" in an attempt to piss me off?
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Post by Red Alert Mon Apr 20, 2015 10:27 am

mr-r34 wrote:RA is coming for his apologies boys and right now i'm considering giving it to him.


YEAH SON

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Art Morte wrote:+Does Henderson think he should be playing wing-back to accommodate Lucas and Allen?
Ps. No thanks to Rafa. He's done OK with Napoli, but nothing to make me think he's the solution to our problems. Would give me a feeling of treading water.


Agreed with most of your post apart from these 2.

Lucas is a better midfielder than Henderson. The only thing Hendo has over Lucas is workrate. And he's better at going forward but I still think Jordan needs to do more if he wants to be the main man at Liverpool.

Rafa is head and heels over Rodgers. Don't look at his Serie A record.

He'd win us silverware. He has unfinished business. He knows how to build a team and an academy. He'd actually be supported by the board for once, and will only really focus on the pitch and not trying to save the club. (Which was his downfall.)

He'd also be the only manager in the league that would rival Mourinho's quality in the league. Would actually be with his family. And would be backed by the fans. (Something he hasn't had at Chelsea / Napoli this season.)

And he knows how to manage a top club.
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Post by Art Morte Mon Apr 20, 2015 11:08 am

Yeah, but Paul Lambert's available, too.

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Post by Curtinho Mon Apr 20, 2015 3:54 pm

Red Alert wrote:
El Cujo wrote:.


Do you honestly read anything you write? Or do you just write an essay with misleading "facts" in an attempt to piss me off?


Everything pisses you off because you're a negative anti-Liverpool twat.

That said nothing I said isn't true. We can keep a revolving door of managers going but without world class players to rival the other big teams you'll just keep up your same bitching and moaning.

Rodgers had one elite player and took us to the CL and almost won the EPL with an otherwise less than stellar team by building a system around him. That's all I'll say.

Also lol 'ignore other managers faults' and Lucas better than Henderson ffs Laughing
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Post by DeletedUser#1 Mon Apr 20, 2015 6:46 pm

^ Lucas is better than Henderson though.

On merit and if we don't buy anyone...it's him who should be captain, not Henderson.

We need a midfielder better than both this summer though.


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Post by Curtinho Mon Apr 20, 2015 7:21 pm

Lucas is not better than Henderson. Not by a country mile.
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Post by Art Morte Mon Apr 20, 2015 8:56 pm

I don't know how anyone can seriously say Lucas is better than Henderson. Lucas's contributions in the attacking half of the pitch are zero and he's nothing like irreplaceable in the own half. A good option to have when we're using a three-man midfield, but Henderson is a class above and he's the one we would really struggle to replace.
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