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Post by Great Leader Sprucenuce Wed May 27, 2015 1:51 pm

I like both hmm

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Post by Freeza Wed May 27, 2015 1:56 pm

Also what are your stances on remakes/reboot in general, and the hate it receives?

I find it a bit tiring that people complain about things getting rebooted.
I really don't have the opinion that the originals will be less good if a bad remake comes a long and it might even add to the experience by giving it new spin.

Comic books get rebooted all the time in a sense. Doesn't chance the quality or enjoyment of the books. Even continuations like the SW prequels were shit, that only resulted in my thinking and deeming the originals to be that much superior.

Does a remake/reboot really change how you feel about a movie? I don't understand why you want to spend energy on hating a property you love before it has come out, instead of hoping for it to be good.
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Post by dostoevsky Wed May 27, 2015 2:02 pm

I think it's perfectly fine in general to remake films as long as something new is being brought to the table.

I think some of the frustration about reboots comes, not necessarily from nostalgia over the originals, but from the feeling that many producers are becoming more reluctant to fund completely new stories and worlds. It's the same with the reactions to sequels. Once something new that is successful does come along, the tendency is to squeeze it for all the money they can get rather than giving creative license to the writers to take another shot at something completely new.

As an isolated instance however, there's nothing inherently wrong with a new generation of film makers having a shot at an existing story.
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Post by M99 Wed May 27, 2015 2:42 pm

Great Leader Sprucenuce wrote:
Freeza wrote:The one with Connery is one of the worst films I've ever seen.

Concept is amazing and can be done much better.


Don't make me go M99 on you brah.

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Lol at this. As if I'm the only one who calls you a hipster or don't respect other's different opinions. Freeza loves Man Of Steel and I don't, never called him a hipster.

If this is stemming from the Mad Max debate, Ganso did admit he was trolling which I was calling him out for though he clarified that his initial opinion was actually genuine which is fair (though ironic that he lols at people who thinks the film is a masterpiece)
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Post by Great Leader Sprucenuce Wed May 27, 2015 3:27 pm

Those are just following you like the sheep they are tbh :coffee:
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Post by M99 Wed May 27, 2015 3:31 pm

Great Leader Sprucenuce wrote:Those are just following you like the sheep they are tbh :coffee:


Will never forget your corporate slave outburst when Tom was making fun of PES rofl That was glorious rofl

On topic, League Of Extraordinary Gentlemen was a terrible film. I welcome the reboot, it can't possibly get any worse. The concept has a lot of potential.
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Post by Great Leader Sprucenuce Wed May 27, 2015 3:32 pm

M99 wrote:
Great Leader Sprucenuce wrote:Those are just following you like the sheep they are tbh :coffee:


Will never forget your corporate slave outburst when Tom was making fun of PES rofl That was glorious rofl

On topic, League Of Extraordinary Gentlemen was a terrible film. I welcome the reboot, it can't possibly get any worse. The concept has a lot of potential.


Never a truer word was spoken imo hmm

Also i really liked League of Extraordinary Gentlemen, maybe it's because i was like 14 at the time hmm
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Post by El Gunner Wed May 27, 2015 7:37 pm

dostoevsky wrote:I think it's perfectly fine in general to remake films as long as something new is being brought to the table.

I think some of the frustration about reboots comes, not necessarily from nostalgia over the originals, but from the feeling that many producers are becoming more reluctant to fund completely new stories and worlds. It's the same with the reactions to sequels. Once something new that is successful does come along, the tendency is to squeeze it for all the money they can get rather than giving creative license to the writers to take another shot at something completely new.

As an isolated instance however, there's nothing inherently wrong with a new generation of film makers having a shot at an existing story.

Wonderfully put.

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Post by McAgger Wed May 27, 2015 8:47 pm

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Don't call me James wrote:Rewatched Inception. My 4th time Proud Masterpiece.


I liked it but it's nowhere near as good as Shutter Island IMO.


Loved Shutter Island.

In fact, going to be re-watching that as well this weekend. I'm on a bit of a DiCaprio marathon. Do this every year. Laughing

But I can't say I agree that it's better than Inception. Inception is one of my favorite films of all time. It's extraordinary.
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Post by Adit Wed May 27, 2015 10:04 pm

Mad max was dire to me. Lot of action but the movie lacked script and suspense.
My buddies loved it but that's their taste...they love movies with absolute shet scripts .
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Post by Adit Wed May 27, 2015 10:06 pm

Avengers age of ultron : watched that 3 weeks ago and already forgot the story line...that's how Interesting that movie was.
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Post by Freeza Wed May 27, 2015 10:07 pm

Adit wrote:Mad max was dire to me. Lot of action but the movie lacked script and suspense.
My buddies loved it but that's their taste...they love movies with absolute shet scripts .


You've obviously no idea what a script contains or how the development of a thing like that takes place. But keep going. What's wrong with the script? Laughing

This prejudice against anything action is so funny. To write a script where you can make actions tell entire stories and not rely on exposition in dialogue is amazing.

This film is one of the rare cases where it's an entirely visual form of storytelling, where nothing would be lost without the sound.
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Post by BarrileteCosmico Wed May 27, 2015 10:15 pm

Adit wrote:Mad max was dire to me. Lot of action but the movie lacked script and suspense.
My buddies loved it but that's their taste...they love movies with absolute shet scripts .
What do you mean? The movie was complete suspense, I was on edge the entire time Laughing
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Post by RealGunner Wed May 27, 2015 10:17 pm

Lacked script and suspense scratch

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Post by Adit Wed May 27, 2015 10:22 pm

I'm on phone so can't type much. What lacked in the script? Story. Why should action and story be mutually exclusive? Why can't we have both.. This is were this movie failed. It had action but don't tell me there was an ounce of suspense or story. Most interesting character on that movie was Furiosa and then that Guitarist... Tom hardy should ask himself what was he doing in that movie.
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Post by Adit Wed May 27, 2015 10:27 pm

I understand why many like movies like that though. That's just not my taste though, I enjoy movies with a story mainly..
If its predictable which most action movies are now days then it gets really boring for me at least.
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Post by Freeza Wed May 27, 2015 10:32 pm

Adit wrote:I'm on phone so can't type much. What lacked in the script? Story. Why should action and story be mutually exclusive? Why can't we have both.. This is were this movie failed. It had action but don't tell me there was an ounce of suspense or story. Most interesting character on that movie was Furiosa and then that Guitarist... Tom hardy should ask himself what was he doing in that movie.


Before you start throwing around your obviously very wrong complaints. You should get some facts straight. Story and plot are not the same. Story is something that isn't shown on screen at all times. Story is what you can read from actions that are now shown in film, things that are spoken.

There is a lot of subtle elements of story in the film throughout, you just have to intelligent enough to put them together without being forcefed this information.

Little girl example
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Another great element of how George Miller has subtlety incorporated story elements is this
The many mothers:

The writing on the wall and Angharad.
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There are so many story elements placed throughout the film. You're pretty much confusing Story and Plot with expositional dialogue, which is not the case in this film.

Mad Max has so much story in every image. It trust the viewer to form the story by themselves instead of letting the directer feed it to the viewer with a spoon.
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Post by El Gunner Wed May 27, 2015 10:52 pm

From what I gathered the plot of Fury Road is just Max helping Furiousa and some other slave women and leading them to safety from the evil guy, and they drive and fight around in the desert mainly.

So maybe that's all Adit felt he got from it? Laughing
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Post by Freeza Wed May 27, 2015 10:54 pm

El Gunner wrote:From what I gathered the plot of Fury Road is just Max helping Furiousa and some other slave women and leading them to safety from the evil guy, and they drive and fight around in the desert mainly.

So maybe that's all Adit felt he got from it? Laughing


Plot =/= story

And if that's how you look at a film I feel sorry for you. All films can be said to be like that unless it only relies on plotheavy storytelling like Gone Girl does.
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Post by LeVersacci Wed May 27, 2015 10:56 pm

El Gunner wrote:From what I gathered the plot of Fury Road is just Max helping Furiousa and some other slave women and leading them to safety from the evil guy, and they drive and fight around in the desert mainly.

So maybe that's all Adit felt he got from it? Laughing
Me n my mates were talking about the movie for a few hours at a bar. Felt it was insane but at the same time forgettable. Didn't regret watching the movie though.


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Post by LeVersacci Wed May 27, 2015 10:57 pm

Don't call me James wrote:
Great Leader Sprucenuce wrote:
Don't call me James wrote:Rewatched Inception. My 4th time Proud Masterpiece.


I liked it but it's nowhere near as good as Shutter Island IMO.


Loved Shutter Island.

In fact, going to be re-watching that as well this weekend. I'm on a bit of a DiCaprio marathon. Do this every year. Laughing

But I can't say I agree that it's better than Inception. Inception is one of my favorite films of all time. It's extraordinary.
ffs need to watch this and inception very soon Proud

Holiday soon Proud
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Post by RedOranje Wed May 27, 2015 11:04 pm

A simple plot does not equate to lacking a story. To be fair, you're far from the first or most prominent person to imply or suggest as much; I've seen fairly major reviewers follow that same line. However, a well executed but simple plot can still provide a compelling and engaging story, particularly if it contains strong unique characters who develop and evolve throughout the film. Fury Road pulled this off magnificently and certainly was not lacking a story.
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Post by El Gunner Wed May 27, 2015 11:23 pm

Freeza wrote:
El Gunner wrote:From what I gathered the plot of Fury Road is just Max helping Furiousa and some other slave women and leading them to safety from the evil guy, and they drive and fight around in the desert mainly.

So maybe that's all Adit felt he got from it? Laughing


Plot =/= story

And if that's how you look at a film I feel sorry for you. All films can be said to be like that unless it only relies on plotheavy storytelling like Gone Girl does.

lol don't be so hasty to go on the attack, I haven't seen it yet.
I was just simply putting down the plot like I heard of it, and I didn't say plot = story. I know the difference between a plot and a story.

edit: think you misinterpreted my post
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Post by McAgger Wed May 27, 2015 11:26 pm

In the most simplest terms, plot is what happens, story is what it (the film) is about.
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Post by El Gunner Wed May 27, 2015 11:30 pm

Yeah, the plot is basically the outline of how the story progresses.
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Post by Freeza Wed May 27, 2015 11:35 pm

David Bordwell is probably the most regarded in film theory on this subject.

Plot = Explicitly presented events.
Story = Presumed and inferred events.

@ElGunner. Was more directed at Adit, but I commented on your post because it gave a good option to comment rather than his did. I know you haven't watched it yet, and I'm disappointed Sad
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