Is new Barca the next big thing?

by Harmonica Wed Jan 28, 2015 9:55 pm

Master of possession, and counter attack football?

by Great Leader Sprucenuce Wed Jan 28, 2015 9:56 pm

Inb4 they lose in quarter finals in CL due to many defensive brain farts hmm

by Ganso Wed Jan 28, 2015 9:56 pm

The jinx has been planted, Barca to end the season with 0 trophies again

by jibers Wed Jan 28, 2015 9:57 pm

Masters of possession? That is Bayern Munich. Barcelona rely too heavily on individual brilliance rather than the structure of the team to facilitate play. I still think Madrid with their best 11 are slightly ahead of them.

by futbol Wed Jan 28, 2015 9:58 pm

Those counterattacks were ridiculous in the 1st half.

by Harmonica Wed Jan 28, 2015 10:00 pm

jibers wrote:Masters of possession? That is Bayern Munich. Barcelona rely too heavily on individual brilliance rather than the structure of the team to facilitate play. I still think Madrid with their best 11 are slightly ahead of them.

Barcelona relyed individual brilliance in the peak of their powers, Messi vs Madrid 10-11. So nothing has changed with that.

But now Barcelona has a massive plan B.

by jibers Wed Jan 28, 2015 10:02 pm

Harmonica wrote:
jibers wrote:Masters of possession? That is Bayern Munich. Barcelona rely too heavily on individual brilliance rather than the structure of the team to facilitate play. I still think Madrid with their best 11 are slightly ahead of them.
Barcelona relyed individual brilliance in the peak of their powers, Messi vs Madrid 10-11. So nothing has changed with that.

But now Barcelona has a massive plan B.

There was still a system and a structure around the team to enable Messi to play better under Pep. The fact is Messi is the best attacker I have ever seen. If a team stops him now, Barcelona will have a problem creating. He is always involved in all the goals. I feel the central mf is not involved enough in the build up play. I agree that Neymar and Suarez give Barcelona a certain amount of flexibility but if Messi is stopped, Barcelona can be stopped.

by Valkyrja Wed Jan 28, 2015 10:03 pm

1 month ago there were talks whether Barca will be capable to win a trophy this season and now we are talking about them being the next big thing Laughing

by Harmonica Wed Jan 28, 2015 10:13 pm

jibers wrote:
Harmonica wrote:
jibers wrote:Masters of possession? That is Bayern Munich. Barcelona rely too heavily on individual brilliance rather than the structure of the team to facilitate play. I still think Madrid with their best 11 are slightly ahead of them.
Barcelona relyed individual brilliance in the peak of their powers, Messi vs Madrid 10-11. So nothing has changed with that.

But now Barcelona has a massive plan B.

There was still a system and a structure around the team to enable Messi to play better under Pep. The fact is Messi is the best attacker I have ever seen. If a team stops him now, Barcelona will have a problem creating. He is always involved in all the goals. I feel the central mf is not involved enough in the build up play. I agree that Neymar and Suarez give Barcelona a certain amount of flexibility but if Messi is stopped, Barcelona can be stopped.

But if you stop Messi, that will leave space to others, surely that's a law of physics.
Yes, if you stop Messi today, Barca loses, but you are suggesting fouling in the midfield, which will produce yellows and reds, and that again should enable Barca win.

Barcelona's problem has been many years, what if we can't keep possession and reduce attacks, and produce attacks. Now I see no problem in it, let them attack us...

by jibers Wed Jan 28, 2015 10:20 pm

Harmonica wrote:
jibers wrote:
Harmonica wrote:
Barcelona relyed individual brilliance in the peak of their powers, Messi vs Madrid 10-11. So nothing has changed with that.

But now Barcelona has a massive plan B.

There was still a system and a structure around the team to enable Messi to play better under Pep. The fact is Messi is the best attacker I have ever seen. If a team stops him now, Barcelona will have a problem creating. He is always involved in all the goals. I feel the central mf is not involved enough in the build up play. I agree that Neymar and Suarez give Barcelona a certain amount of flexibility but if Messi is stopped, Barcelona can be stopped.
But if you stop Messi, that will leave space to others, surely that's a law of physics.
Yes, if you stop Messi today, Barca loses, but you are suggesting fouling in the midfield, which will produce yellows and reds, and that again should enable Barca win.

Barcelona's problem has been many years, what if we can't keep possession and reduce attacks, and produce attacks. Now I see no problem in it, let them attack us...

Messi is still the one that provides most of the pre assists like he did today. Madrid put a bank to stop him and so Suarez and Nerman couldn't really get into the game. I agree that the counters are good and add a bit of variation. Iniesta needs to stuop being used as cover for Alba because I feel too much creative and play initiating is on Messi's shoulders. When it clicks it is amazing.

by Harmonica Wed Jan 28, 2015 10:36 pm

jibers wrote:
Harmonica wrote:
jibers wrote:

There was still a system and a structure around the team to enable Messi to play better under Pep. The fact is Messi is the best attacker I have ever seen. If a team stops him now, Barcelona will have a problem creating. He is always involved in all the goals. I feel the central mf is not involved enough in the build up play. I agree that Neymar and Suarez give Barcelona a certain amount of flexibility but if Messi is stopped, Barcelona can be stopped.
But if you stop Messi, that will leave space to others, surely that's a law of physics.
Yes, if you stop Messi today, Barca loses, but you are suggesting fouling in the midfield, which will produce yellows and reds, and that again should enable Barca win.

Barcelona's problem has been many years, what if we can't keep possession and reduce attacks, and produce attacks. Now I see no problem in it, let them attack us...

Messi is still the one that provides most of the pre assists like he did today. Madrid put a bank to stop him and so Suarez and Nerman couldn't really get into the game. I agree that the counters are good and add a bit of variation. Iniesta needs to stuop being used as cover for Alba because I feel too much creative and play initiating is on Messi's shoulders. When it clicks it is amazing.

Yes, that's true, but now Messi has more options, than before. And it seems to be a game breaker atm.

by Kick Wed Jan 28, 2015 11:12 pm

Harmonica wrote:
jibers wrote:
Harmonica wrote:
Barcelona relyed individual brilliance in the peak of their powers, Messi vs Madrid 10-11. So nothing has changed with that.

But now Barcelona has a massive plan B.

There was still a system and a structure around the team to enable Messi to play better under Pep. The fact is Messi is the best attacker I have ever seen. If a team stops him now, Barcelona will have a problem creating. He is always involved in all the goals. I feel the central mf is not involved enough in the build up play. I agree that Neymar and Suarez give Barcelona a certain amount of flexibility but if Messi is stopped, Barcelona can be stopped.
But if you stop Messi, that will leave space to others, surely that's a law of physics.
Yes, if you stop Messi today, Barca loses, but you are suggesting fouling in the midfield, which will produce yellows and reds, and that again should enable Barca win.

Barcelona's problem has been many years, what if we can't keep possession and reduce attacks, and produce attacks. Now I see no problem in it, let them attack us...

It has taken you this long to realise this? Laughing

by Collblanc Wed Jan 28, 2015 11:13 pm

This was our plan B under Tata as well, but never as well executed. Plus he got crucified when he did it (lower posession). This year it seems accepted by our fans

by futbol Wed Jan 28, 2015 11:15 pm

Tata had the glorious idea to play Neymar on the right wing to accomodate Fabregas. Time after time after time.

by Harmonica Wed Jan 28, 2015 11:15 pm

Kick wrote:
Harmonica wrote:
jibers wrote:

There was still a system and a structure around the team to enable Messi to play better under Pep. The fact is Messi is the best attacker I have ever seen. If a team stops him now, Barcelona will have a problem creating. He is always involved in all the goals. I feel the central mf is not involved enough in the build up play. I agree that Neymar and Suarez give Barcelona a certain amount of flexibility but if Messi is stopped, Barcelona can be stopped.
But if you stop Messi, that will leave space to others, surely that's a law of physics.
Yes, if you stop Messi today, Barca loses, but you are suggesting fouling in the midfield, which will produce yellows and reds, and that again should enable Barca win.

Barcelona's problem has been many years, what if we can't keep possession and reduce attacks, and produce attacks. Now I see no problem in it, let them attack us...

It has taken you this long to realise this?

Ummm, no?

by Collblanc Wed Jan 28, 2015 11:19 pm

Fußball wrote:Tata had the glorious idea to play Neymar on the right wing to accomodate Fabregas. Time after time after time.

Iniesta as left-forward was really helpfull as well.

by jibers Wed Jan 28, 2015 11:20 pm

Collblanc wrote:
Fußball wrote:Tata had the glorious idea to play Neymar on the right wing to accomodate Fabregas. Time after time after time.

Iniesta as left-forward was really helpfull as well.

Messi being told not to drop deep also helped...

by Collblanc Wed Jan 28, 2015 11:22 pm

In conclusion; Tata screwed that plan up. But I'd say Lucho has a (very?) good starting 11 now with 2 proper tactics. I'm happy to reach semi-final CL, take the copa and take the title. Job well done so far.

by Doc Thu Jan 29, 2015 12:45 am

So I assume Lucho is back in the good graces of Barcelona fans?!

by Collblanc Thu Jan 29, 2015 12:49 am

If he sticks to this starting eleven, yes.Dont forget he lost his 'grace' by starting 23 different eleven 23 games in a row. Also excluding Messi and Neymar in critical matches.

by BarrileteCosmico Thu Jan 29, 2015 1:04 am

Doc wrote:So I assume Lucho is back in the good graces of Barcelona fans?!

Lucho stopped managing the team after the Real Sociedad match. This is all coach Messi.

by Katy Perry Thu Jan 29, 2015 2:05 am

Can't wait till we knock them out of CL. Azpi Zouma Terry and Iva are going to smoke Messi's, Suarez's and Neymar's skulls.

by Ganso Thu Jan 29, 2015 11:22 am

Katy Perry wrote:Can't wait till we knock them out of CL. Azpi Zouma Terry and Iva are going to smoke Messi's, Suarez's and Neymar's skulls.

by Bankz Thu Jan 29, 2015 4:20 pm

Coachessi

by Doc Thu Jan 29, 2015 7:35 pm

BarrileteCosmico wrote:
Doc wrote:So I assume Lucho is back in the good graces of Barcelona fans?!
Lucho stopped managing the team after the Real Sociedad match. This is all coach Messi.

Sigh. He just can't catch a break.

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