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Ed displayed far more passion, though. Plus, he's shown he's willing to sacrifice his own brother for what he believes in. Even Dean Winchester isn't that ruthless
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Ed is too much of a plonker to win over voters. Its "labour" that will get the votes. I doubt he has convinced a single none labourer to vote for him. He is a very dull person when he talks, makes you lose interest quite fast. Cameron has that persona that will gain votes. What he does while in office on the other hand is just half of what he promised
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Tbf I think the current regime has done well, we seem to be steady and much better off from the mid 2000's where the World went to shit
I feel if there was a more diluted version of UKIP out there, that focused mainly on keeping our country closed off to people who offer nothing in return i'd vote for them. But i'm probably going to vote for Banteron.
I feel if there was a more diluted version of UKIP out there, that focused mainly on keeping our country closed off to people who offer nothing in return i'd vote for them. But i'm probably going to vote for Banteron.
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I, too, think the current regime has done all right and that out of the candidates, Cameron remains the best option for PM.
In Finland, we had what I thought was a good prime minister (Katainen) until he resigned a year ago. He was intelligent and economy was his best area. But everyone was getting on his back, blaming him for the economic downturn (or its continuation), giving money to Greece, growing unemployment... Things haven't gone any better since he left.
What I'm saying is that many people don't even try to recognize a good, skilled politician based on their individual merit. You can be shit or great, in most people's eyes you get judged solely on how well or bad the country or region is doing collectively. You could have had Churchill, Mandela and Lincoln put together and such a prime minister would not have been popular in Finland in the last eight years.
A diluted version of UKIP is also an interesting subject, I'm waiting for something like that to happen, both in England and in Finland. UKIP is pretty much identical in every way with our True Finns party. And they are in Finland, like UKIP is in England, the only (seriously taken) party that's clearly EU critical and anti-immigration. I am a little surprised there hasn't been any sort of development among the other parties in Finland that would have seen their line on immigration and EU toughen. That would be a win-win in a way: Such a party would probably gain popularity while it would be taken more seriously than the True Finns, whose quality in individual politicians - just like with the UKIP - leaves a lot to be desired. It would be a win for that party and it would be a win for the voters, because they would have another option to vote for that drives a harder line on immigration and the EU than just the UKIP / True Finns.
In Finland, we had what I thought was a good prime minister (Katainen) until he resigned a year ago. He was intelligent and economy was his best area. But everyone was getting on his back, blaming him for the economic downturn (or its continuation), giving money to Greece, growing unemployment... Things haven't gone any better since he left.
What I'm saying is that many people don't even try to recognize a good, skilled politician based on their individual merit. You can be shit or great, in most people's eyes you get judged solely on how well or bad the country or region is doing collectively. You could have had Churchill, Mandela and Lincoln put together and such a prime minister would not have been popular in Finland in the last eight years.
A diluted version of UKIP is also an interesting subject, I'm waiting for something like that to happen, both in England and in Finland. UKIP is pretty much identical in every way with our True Finns party. And they are in Finland, like UKIP is in England, the only (seriously taken) party that's clearly EU critical and anti-immigration. I am a little surprised there hasn't been any sort of development among the other parties in Finland that would have seen their line on immigration and EU toughen. That would be a win-win in a way: Such a party would probably gain popularity while it would be taken more seriously than the True Finns, whose quality in individual politicians - just like with the UKIP - leaves a lot to be desired. It would be a win for that party and it would be a win for the voters, because they would have another option to vote for that drives a harder line on immigration and the EU than just the UKIP / True Finns.
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I just wrote something and accidentally deleted it fml
Long story short I think the conservatives have been measured against the failed previous government. Conservative haven't been much better. Whike Labour borrowed money as if it'd solve all their problems getting us in mountain of debt Conservatives have privatised everything hence the Staffordshire scandal and have had the luxury of blaming everything they'd done that nobody liked on the previous government like they could fool us
Both are as bad as eachother but in their own way. Ed doesn't fill me with confidence so I'll probably vote conservatives
Long story short I think the conservatives have been measured against the failed previous government. Conservative haven't been much better. Whike Labour borrowed money as if it'd solve all their problems getting us in mountain of debt Conservatives have privatised everything hence the Staffordshire scandal and have had the luxury of blaming everything they'd done that nobody liked on the previous government like they could fool us
Both are as bad as eachother but in their own way. Ed doesn't fill me with confidence so I'll probably vote conservatives
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The problem I have with conservatives is that they are all essentially business men. They get funded by organisations who are amongst the richest in the UK purely for their own benefits. By funding them, they know that conservatives will never pass laws which will require them to pay appropriate taxes or be on the similar level as other not so shady companies. The poverty line is still increasing despite things improving from the crisis in 2008. Poor(northerners) are still getting poor while rich are getting richer.
Google, Amazon etc still don't pay an ounce of tax. It won't be long till Cameron passes TTIP which would be selling the country basically. He will most likely privatise NHS.
If he gives insurance of fixing things which needs to be fixed then I don't have a problem with him being the PM
At the moment, I am most likely going to vote for labour.
Google, Amazon etc still don't pay an ounce of tax. It won't be long till Cameron passes TTIP which would be selling the country basically. He will most likely privatise NHS.
If he gives insurance of fixing things which needs to be fixed then I don't have a problem with him being the PM
At the moment, I am most likely going to vote for labour.
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Tbh RG i don't think the fat cats getting fatter and the poor getting poorer is going to change anytime soon... irrelevant of what party is.
Although i have a very poor opinion of every single one of them, which is why i don't vote you could say i'm part of the problem but none of them give me a reason to believe.
Although i have a very poor opinion of every single one of them, which is why i don't vote you could say i'm part of the problem but none of them give me a reason to believe.
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Conservatives have already started privatising NHS. Alot of hospitals don't own their own buildings, a good example of this is the QE hospital in Birmingham. Its a multi million pounds worth of building but the NHS has to "rent" the proverty as they don't own it. Its owned by a private company. The Conservatives wont rest until they have made the healthcare like US. NHS is the identity of UK its been here for centuries and they are in the process of wrecking it.
Cameron doesn't have guts to demand the top earners pay their due tax instead they are trying to sneak in bedroom tax which is of inconvenience to the hardworking pensioners who have spent most of their lives paying the government and for what?? Having their lives wrecked because the Conservatives lack the guts to get the money from those they should take it from
The only good think conservatives have done from my own perspective is making it easier for young (graduates) people to get on the property ladder. I already knew their stance on tuition fees before they were elected so wasn't surprised there
In the long term I think Conservatives are likely to do the least damage compared to Labours. Imagine Ed Balls being in charge of the nations economy. Dude couldn't lace his own boots let alone run a whole countries economy. And we all know the coalition is just there to make up the numbers after the whole u turn on tuition fee by Nick Clegg so even if they have SNP on their side I doubt they will make anything positive while in office
Cameron doesn't have guts to demand the top earners pay their due tax instead they are trying to sneak in bedroom tax which is of inconvenience to the hardworking pensioners who have spent most of their lives paying the government and for what?? Having their lives wrecked because the Conservatives lack the guts to get the money from those they should take it from
The only good think conservatives have done from my own perspective is making it easier for young (graduates) people to get on the property ladder. I already knew their stance on tuition fees before they were elected so wasn't surprised there
In the long term I think Conservatives are likely to do the least damage compared to Labours. Imagine Ed Balls being in charge of the nations economy. Dude couldn't lace his own boots let alone run a whole countries economy. And we all know the coalition is just there to make up the numbers after the whole u turn on tuition fee by Nick Clegg so even if they have SNP on their side I doubt they will make anything positive while in office
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Farage is doing a good job of discouraging voters to vote for him. He just called a BBC audience thick yesterday and blamed the housing crisis on immigrants.....as usual. Fast becoming the new BNP smh
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Couldn't see the debate. Heard Ed and Sturgeon came out on top.
Labour and SNP coalition is the best thing possible atm. SNP will keep Labour stick to the socialist principles which they are so eager to run away from.
Labour and SNP coalition is the best thing possible atm. SNP will keep Labour stick to the socialist principles which they are so eager to run away from.
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This disgruntled girlfriend/cuckolded boyfriend routine between Sturgeon and Miliband makes me rather queasy, to be quite honest
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A coalation of SNP and Labour would be good for entertainment values but it's never going to work. They both want different things, and Sturgeon is basically Ed's nanny and secondary teacher in one.
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The audience yesterday was clearly rigged. For Dimbleby or the BBC to even try and convince me and anyone else otherwise is, quite frankly, an insult to our intelligence
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The auduence is usually quiet save for the occasional heckling. The audience yesterday was no different, Farage is an annoying person. I watch these debates with an open mind and agree with alot of things he says, he is a very blunt person and anyone who watched the European parliament before he was known will know that but he takes it to the extremes and would basically blame anything even the banking crisis on immigrants. His reasoning, too many immigrants therefore [insert problem here]. He took it too far yesterday when he blamed the housing crisis on immigrants. Last I checked there is usually 10 or more Rumanian (sorry just had to use you as an example) families living in the same house. What about those people with 10-20 kids living in massive houses and going to luxury holidays every other month. The problem is not migration but the whole benefit system, scrap that and things will change. Also the Australian point based system is the way forward imo
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SNP is rising really fast atm. Sturgeon saying all the right things.
Won't even be surprised if they get the 3rd/4th most seats at this rate.
Won't even be surprised if they get the 3rd/4th most seats at this rate.
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Hmm, two faced
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Wait
She's two faced because her parents once upon a time purchased a council house under the 'thatcher government'
Brb going back in time asking 5 year old Sturgeon why she didn't stop this from happening
Hope they make terminator-esque movies about me.
She's two faced because her parents once upon a time purchased a council house under the 'thatcher government'
Brb going back in time asking 5 year old Sturgeon why she didn't stop this from happening
Hope they make terminator-esque movies about me.
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Lol that's beyond clutching straws.
That's how the tories work lol. They blame Milliband for everything Blair did
That's how the tories work lol. They blame Milliband for everything Blair did
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As much as I think Cameron is actually a good choice, I think the supposed Labour/SNP tag team might be the way to go
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I also owe my family home to the same policy so I know exactly what sort of benefit she's had from that. It's the house she grew up in so don't try to suggest she shouldn't have any gratitude. Maybe a bit of self awareness wouldn't hurt, imagine ragging on the social policies that gave you a safe and secure roof over your head for life, AND at a tidy little price. Silly
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http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/11221902/Legal-fight-starts-over-SNP-state-guardian-for-every-child.html
Takes the term nanny state to a new level. Thats actually scary. Good god imagine this woman wielding power over England...
Takes the term nanny state to a new level. Thats actually scary. Good god imagine this woman wielding power over England...
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Anyone watching Tonight's BBCQT lmao?
Clegg getting destroyed by the audience.
Clegg getting destroyed by the audience.
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Clegg such a pleb
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Anyone who rhymes with greggs is a pleb tbh.
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Did every single major English party just rule out the possibility of a coalition government with SNP? Are they TRYING to force another independence referendum for Scotland? Do Labour realize that perhaps their ONLY chance at gaining power is through a coalition with SNP at this point?
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Yea it's baffling. Both Labour and Conservatives think that they are going to win a majority, which makes no sense because there is more chance of Plaid Cymru winning the election than either of the big two having a majority.
SNP will form a coalition happily with Labour.
Lib Dems will rather have a coalition with Labour as well
But Ed Milliband is adamant on not even discussing the possibility. Same with Cameron.
I think Ed wants to make himself look strong. He knows SNP will put in demands which he will never agree with. And wants to make it look like SNP are not important to him at all. Which is fair I guess, but he is just going to lose votes in Scotland with this way.
Cameron on the other hand knows no one wants to form a coalition with him because of how he treated lib dems. It will just come down to who can kneel the best infront of tories if they get the most amount of seats and are looking for a puppet party to form coalition with.
I do wonder if there is a slight possibility of a Labour-Conservative grand coalition at this point. It will be ground breaking but something which isn't as crazy as it sounds. Current labour are far from leftists as much as they like to claim( hence many people's worry that SNP will make the SNP-Labour coalition extremely close to far left). A grand coalition might just work if both parties are willing.
But at this moment in time. I can predict Labour winning the most seats and forming a coalition with someone. They will have to come around SNP eventually. Problem with Lib Dems is that they might not even get more votes than Greens or UKIP. They are completely irrelevant. So therefore Ed might have to make the deputy prime minister an actual responsible figure rather than a puppet.
SNP will form a coalition happily with Labour.
Lib Dems will rather have a coalition with Labour as well
But Ed Milliband is adamant on not even discussing the possibility. Same with Cameron.
I think Ed wants to make himself look strong. He knows SNP will put in demands which he will never agree with. And wants to make it look like SNP are not important to him at all. Which is fair I guess, but he is just going to lose votes in Scotland with this way.
Cameron on the other hand knows no one wants to form a coalition with him because of how he treated lib dems. It will just come down to who can kneel the best infront of tories if they get the most amount of seats and are looking for a puppet party to form coalition with.
I do wonder if there is a slight possibility of a Labour-Conservative grand coalition at this point. It will be ground breaking but something which isn't as crazy as it sounds. Current labour are far from leftists as much as they like to claim( hence many people's worry that SNP will make the SNP-Labour coalition extremely close to far left). A grand coalition might just work if both parties are willing.
But at this moment in time. I can predict Labour winning the most seats and forming a coalition with someone. They will have to come around SNP eventually. Problem with Lib Dems is that they might not even get more votes than Greens or UKIP. They are completely irrelevant. So therefore Ed might have to make the deputy prime minister an actual responsible figure rather than a puppet.
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