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Post by Dante Sun Jan 11, 2015 2:05 am

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Dante wrote:What's even more ridiculous, Pippo got in Alex too , 3 CBs to concede from a corner.

Just like last game.


now that you mention it

Forza wrote:The only positive out of this is the timing. We are right in the middle of the transfer window. Something has to be done. If we were winning all of these games, nothing would be done and we would fail miserably come the end of the window.


I've expressed my opinion about new signings , Milan must try for two players meant for the starting XI , one at CM and a CF. Despite this obvious case , having one shot all game and that would be the penalty, is absolutely ridiculous. And Pippo mostly shrugged off the first half like 'oh yes , we played bad in the first half , but 10' . We were very dissapointing tonight.

•MilanDevil• wrote:With regards to the coaching, we will have to stick with Inzaghi. Like Dante mentioned, he showed us the good and the bad. He also identifies the problems as his words suggest. However, he is terrible at substitutions and must heavily improve on that aspect.



I do agree his subs in particular , are the only thing that reminds me of Ancelotti . And i rarely liked his subs Laughing

But anyway , subs are most always a bonus , or if you want , one of the minor reasons as to why a team doesn't win/draws a game . You rarely see a coach lose games because of his subs. And subs have to do with bench material as well , however i do agree tonight his subs were strictly defence-all-in , by the time we conceded everybody knew we wouldn't score another.

In the end , i am much more concerned with stuff like us failing to produce some calm when in possesion , especially away from home ;
stuff like Ses being heavily benched , MDS having his worst season ;
being heavily dependant on Menez , to the point Torres wanted to leave months after he came ;
we don't even play ugly football , we don't seem willing to play at times ;
bs like Pippo saying we get nervous , wtf is this? Nervous? If they are not confident , someone should really tell him , it's because they don't really believe in his ideas , his ideas they will bring into the game.

stuff like that anyway .


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Post by Dante Sun Jan 11, 2015 2:14 am

Forza wrote:I haven't seen a "good" Inzaghi game yet. There hasn't been a moment where he sent out a line-up that I thought was flawless or a moment where he made a substitution that turned the game in our favour or made a tactical change which gave us some sort of edge.

Nevertheless, it is important that we stick with him for stability's sake. Although, having said that, Inzaghi will soon find that the club's interest in maintaining stability is outweighed by the lack of hope which has been offered by his team's performances.

Hope is what keeps this club going. Hope is what keeps the fans going. When Milan go out on to the field, there are expectations placed on the team. Expectations of goals, fluid passing, good football, resolute defending and, most importantly, results on the scoreboard.

A coach can go without delivering results for a period of time as long as the team shows signs of improvement along the lines of some sort of philosophy. What we have seen with Inzaghi so far is no discernible style of play and no consistency in approach. We're over halfway through the season and the football is as ugly as ever. There's no tendency to exploit short passing, crosses, pace, wingers, overlapping full backs, etc. In other words, when a Milan player gets the ball, fans don't know what they're going to do with it - and neither does the player. There is no clear framework or system for the players to operate within and the team is suffering as a result.

The system should be king. No one player should be above the system. It's the coach's job to design this framework and to implement it. How would I describe Inzaghi's performance in this regard? A failure on both counts.

If there is some sort of direction this team is heading in, it's certainly not obvious to me.


A fine post , i agree. Although , we may have not exactly dominated anyone this season , there were positives in games , especially early on . Later on our performance in defence begun a freefall and i guess , he's been focusing the team on defending better , which has become significantly apparent lately . Other than that , which isn't that much to begin with , yes i completely agree tbh. At this point it's hard to tell what's the plan , again , i thought he was all about countering opponents but that's just not worth saying anymore. We are really bad when it comes to the football we play and that's been happening in many games . Won't even mention some of his player choices lol.

We must remain patient , though . We can't be judging prematurely , despite the signs. Which are definitely not that satisfying .
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Post by Dante Sun Jan 11, 2015 7:57 pm

Just noticed my name under the thread's title btw

U mad ES Proud

I stole the credit for your hard work Proud
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Post by Kaladin Sun Jan 11, 2015 8:52 pm

Dante wrote:Just noticed my name under the thread's title btw

U mad ES Proud

I stole the credit for your hard work Proud


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Post by Casciavit Sun Jan 18, 2015 1:43 pm

Milan: Diego Lopez; Abate, Mexes, Rami, Bonera; Montolivo, De Jong, Bonaventura; Cerci, Menez, El Shaarawy

Milan bench: Abbiati, Agazzi, Zaccardo, Alex, Armero, Albertazzi, Poli, Van Ginkel, Muntari, Niang, Mastour, Pazzini

Atalanta: Sportiello; Benalouane, Stendardo, Biava, Del Grosso; Zappacosta, Carmona, Cigarini, Maxi Moralez; Denis, Pinilla

Atalanta bench: Avramov, Scaloni, Dramè, Migliaccio, Baselli, Grassi, Molina, D'Alessandro, Spinazzola, Gomez, Boakye, R Bianchi
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Post by Forza Sun Jan 18, 2015 1:45 pm

Good team. Too bad MDS is out for Bonera though.
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Post by Forza Sun Jan 18, 2015 2:21 pm

Our defenders can't even clear the ball properly :facepalm:
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Post by Ganso Sun Jan 18, 2015 2:24 pm

SES has been frustrating
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Post by Forza Sun Jan 18, 2015 2:33 pm

Jack should've done better with that rebound
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Post by Forza Sun Jan 18, 2015 2:36 pm

ugh... not again
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Post by Forza Sun Jan 18, 2015 2:36 pm

Mexes & Bonera ffs
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Post by Forza Sun Jan 18, 2015 2:42 pm

Bonera off for Armero, crowd whistles him as he walks off
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Post by Forza Sun Jan 18, 2015 3:40 pm

10 mins left and we're looking at 1 point from 3 games.
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Post by Kaladin Sun Jan 18, 2015 3:52 pm

Unbelievable
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Post by Forza Sun Jan 18, 2015 3:56 pm

El Shaarawy wrote:Unbelievable

Very much believable, sadly. I don't expect us to play well any more.
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Post by Kaladin Sun Jan 18, 2015 4:03 pm

Forget about 3rd, with the way we're going atm. It seems we might actually finish worse than last season.
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Post by Dante Sun Jan 18, 2015 4:09 pm

i didn't see the game . I thought it was at night .

I see we managed to lose again at home .. *sigh*

3rd place Laughing
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Post by Kaladin Sun Jan 18, 2015 5:33 pm

I am rapidly losing confidence in Pippo. No cohesion offensively, no coordination defensively, half the team either doesn't want to defend, or hasn't been given any defensive responsibility. We have yet again failed to capitalize on favorable results around the league. These are sad times for us. It's like seeing an old, toothless lion. All roar but no bite. Sad times indeed.
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Post by Kaladin Sun Jan 18, 2015 5:36 pm

btw, last time i make a match day thread this season. Been dreadful so far Laughing , It seems like i'm cursed
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Post by Bankz Sun Jan 18, 2015 5:45 pm

When the *bleep* will mastour play? I mean, what does milan have to loose at this point? Why is pippo being so butthurt on the guy?
*bleep* capello wanabe.
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Post by M99 Sun Jan 18, 2015 6:50 pm

Holy shit we could not beat any of the three in serie a are u *bleep* kidding me
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Post by Vibe Sun Jan 18, 2015 6:53 pm

SaToLanta :bow:
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Post by Dante Sun Jan 18, 2015 7:05 pm

Pippo is a noob. I don't know better , nor i think i know better. No one here really knows better than him . But he's a noob and he makes too many mistakes , otherwise we wouldn't observe all of this . We wouldn't have this opinion in the first place.

The management doesn't have any illusions as to whom they've placed the fortunes of this team . It's just their scapegoat-plan to avoid answering for their lack of willingness to invest in the team. It's just their yes-man who will never really ask for the changes that must be made and will work with what's given to him. Seedorf was supposed to be that man , turns out Seedorf wanted to actually change stuff and he got the sack. But this isn't about Seedorf.

I've said last season that our problem wasn't Allegri , that despite his mistakes and all that , he wasn't even near one of our main issues and that he was being made the scapegoat. A year later , Allegri sits at the top of Serie A and we do just as bad(more or less) and with a better team than what he had. But this isn't about Allegri.

It's about those who run Milan . Building a team of mostly mediocrity without intentions of getting world class players and giving the nod to a noob coach to lead us to the CL , just so we can exist in it , without serious ambitions , is all their doing . And i don't think for a second they are so delusional , it's just Berlusconi who doesn't want to do his one job , help the team with money . That is it.

Under this light , albeit i do want CL football . It's pretty meaningless if we are into the CL even. I mean , Milan isn't Bate Borisov , or Celtic , or 99% of the teams who participate in the CL. Milan's canon used to be part of the 1% elite . Compare that to get 3rd place and be in CL . What's the point? Just money , so Berlusconi will have to pay even less. They don't work for Milan to get back to competing for the CL , they work for Milan just to be in it , not even as champions , but through 3rd place.

eerr.. no matter how bad Inzaghi is . No matter how bad Seedorf was , or Allegri. No matter what quality we have left , or how mediocre and bad we are atm. The real , true reason we are this bad is this hypocritic management. When they automaticaly exlude world class players and adressing the true issues , just because it will cost , yeah , and they claim our ambition is to be protagonists with Menez-Pazzini , or with Inzaghi trying his whatever ideas that he's trying anymore.. they are just hypocrites and they lie to our face. I am not satisfied with Inzaghi , but when i understand all this.. yeah , despite my complains he's not Milan's main problem and all..

the very fact we have a 2nd noob coach in a row is because the best coaches don't want to be in Milan , because they know what's happening. Even if they do sack Inzaghi eventually , which i very much doubt , they will get another similar kind of coach , yes-man who's not one of the best around. They can't even get any great coach with what they do . As you can see , Inzaghi is a problem only so much . Not to excuse him , lol no , but it's the truth and remains the same exact thing i used to say about Seedorf and Allegri before him.

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Post by Cruijf Sun Jan 18, 2015 7:52 pm

Missed the game and kinda glad tbh.

If we can't even beat Atalanta we don't deserve Europa League, forget CL.
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Post by Vibe Sun Jan 18, 2015 8:10 pm

Am I the only one under impression that Seedorf was really a great coach with lots of potential and was sacked purely politically?
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Post by Dante Sun Jan 18, 2015 8:52 pm

Vibe wrote:Am I the only one under impression that Seedorf was really a great coach with lots of potential and was sacked purely politically?


No , you're not the only one Vibe . It will get obvious in the years to come , when Seedorf will be considered one of the best young coaches around and Milan will still be shit . I understood Seedorf pretty quickly tbh and we're half the season here and nobody gets Inzaghi and his 'clear ideas' that he never explains in essence . Or why his clear ideas show up so ugly or ineffective on the field. Or why he plays the 4-3-3 the way he does.

He just has the locker room behind him and he's the management's lad , that's it. Seedorf was better for Milan and i want Inzaghi to still prove otherwise . But he goes out and says we should "wake up" , because , "since Christmas we haven't played well".. Yeah , because before Christmas we'we were porn on the eye .

I hoped Inzaghi would prove better , i really did .. But he clearly hasn't . I don't know if Milan was right to hire Seedorf so soon in the first place , but sacking him for the reasons they did was fataly wrong and the most disgracefull thing i've ever seen Milan do to one of their own.
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