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Re: The Official Comicbook Movies Thread
by M99 Fri May 08, 2015 2:03 am
It is a sequel to Age Of Ultron. If they want to replicate the comics they have to have more heroes than Captain America and Iron Man. Captain America is very much the protagonist of the series so it makes sense to have them adapt the storyline in a Captain America film. Civil War is huge in the comics, they had Wolverine, Hulk, Silver Surfer, Fantastic 4, Namor etc who marvel can't use any way. It's good to see them not pulling any stops just because it's not an Avengers film.
I have no problem with BvS but they are fast tracking the DCU with it, whether it is a good thing or a bad thing remains to be seen but it is apparent that there are risks there. Civil War is the 13th film in the MCU while BvS is the second film in the DCU, there's a difference.
I have no problem with BvS but they are fast tracking the DCU with it, whether it is a good thing or a bad thing remains to be seen but it is apparent that there are risks there. Civil War is the 13th film in the MCU while BvS is the second film in the DCU, there's a difference.
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Re: The Official Comicbook Movies Thread
by Freeza Fri May 08, 2015 2:17 am
M99 wrote:It is a sequel to Age Of Ultron. If they want to replicate the comics they have to have more heroes than Captain America and Iron Man. Captain America is very much the protagonist of the series so it makes sense to have them adapt the storyline in a Captain America film. Civil War is huge in the comics, they had Wolverine, Hulk, Silver Surfer, Fantastic 4, Namor etc who marvel can't use any way. It's good to see them not pulling any stops just because it's not an Avengers film.
I have no problem with BvS but they are fast tracking the DCU with it, whether it is a good thing or a bad thing remains to be seen but it is apparent that there are risks there. Civil War is the 13th film in the MCU while BvS is the second film in the DCU, there's a difference.
Well, there wasn't any conflict in AoU at all that could lead up to this, so Ant-Man has to has some.
They aren't really fast tracking anything when it's a movie that's been in production for +3 years, mainly featuring 2 guys.
I don't have a problem with any number of characters in any movie ever. It's always about how those characters are used. Generally I'm just tired of Hippocracy in this regard (again, from other people, not you. X-men had 20 characters speaking and it still worked.
It's generally only a problem if the movie has a bad structure overall. Which was the problem with the Spider-Man failures. Where they kept switching antagonists throughout without no reason for it. And also if Electro, Venom and Paul Giamatti's Russian cartoon hadn't been shit it wouldn't have gotten that complain.
Have high hopes for Civil War though, hope Nat Wolff gets the Spider-Man gig. Also love what Winter Soldier did, only great Marvel movie since IM imho(until Guardians came along), so I have faith in the Russos.
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Re: The Official Comicbook Movies Thread
by M99 Fri May 08, 2015 2:35 am
Should I post the script from 4chan here in spoiler tags 
Would love to discuss it with you peeps. It's most likely fanfic any way and the guy claimed it's a rough draft which will go thorugh a lot of editing before the final phase.
Would love to discuss it with you peeps. It's most likely fanfic any way and the guy claimed it's a rough draft which will go thorugh a lot of editing before the final phase.
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Re: The Official Comicbook Movies Thread
by Freeza Fri May 08, 2015 2:37 am
M99 wrote:Should I post the script from 4chan here in spoiler tags
Predicted everything in Age of Ultron before it happened anyways, so don't think I'll mind, as long as it's good.
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Re: The Official Comicbook Movies Thread
by M99 Fri May 08, 2015 3:13 am
Take it with a grain of salt or don't read it at all. A guy claiming to read the script (where do they come from 
) posted it on 4 chan.
) posted it on 4 chan.- Spoiler:
- So a guy on 4chan is posting Civil War script spoilers. Obviously take them with a grain of salt, but they are a fun read and are pretty good, even if they are false. He says it is a rough draft and says some things will most likely be cut since it's huge.
- Spoiler:
- I've read the script and I'm honestly impressed. It is very good, it balances a huge cast of characters while maintaining focus on Captain America and Iron Man and their conflicting ideologies, and it has some amazing action scenes.
I imagine this is an early draft. Not only it is rather long, but has some dark as *bleep* moments that I can can't imagine Marvel will put in a movie. There's also a villain twist I'm certain /co/ won't like, and one particular moment that'll cause a lot of internet outcry, but is done pretty tastefully here. 9/10, has all it needs to be based.
And the characters that appear in it, for anyone who's curious: Captain America, Iron Man, Winter Soldier, Black Widow, Hawkeye, Falcon, War Machine, Scarlet Witch, Vision, Spider-Man, Black Panther, Ant-Man, Maria Hill, Nick Fury, Peter Gyrich, Crossbones, Sharon Carter, Baron Zemo, Hawkeye's family, President Ellis, Councilwoman Hawley, the SHIELD techie that wouldn't launch the ships (his name is Jason).- Spoiler:
- Cap doesn't die.
Also, it's pretty interesting to notice the script is just titled "Civil War".- Spoiler:
- The movie is set one year after Ultron's attack. SHIELD leaks have raised awareness of the circumstances of several incidents such as the Battle of New York, the Mandarin bombings, the Dark Elf invasion, which, in addition to the Hulk rampage in South Africa and Ultron leveling Sokovia, have caused superheroes to experience a sizeable public backlash. Stark is retired from being Iron Man and dedicating himself to philantrophy to atone for his mistakes.
Captain America is leading the New Avengers - Black Widow, Falcon, War Machine, Scarlet Witch and Vision - to take down the remnants of HYDRA and find Bucky, aided by Nick Fury.
The movie opens with them busting a drug deal and recovering some Vibranium-based weaponry. Back to their new headquarters, the Avengers get to mingle. Black Widow is the co-leader, Falcon and Captain America are true bros, and Falcon also has a sort of friendly rivalry with Rhodes since they're both airmen. Cap is coaching Wanda into dealing with her powers and losing Pietro, and Vision is dealing with his expanding consciousness.
Fury drops by to share some info on Bucky. He's been killing HYDRA officials all over the globe, and it's getting hard to keep track of him or cover up his assassinations. Lots of the HYDRA assets he's offed are power players with seemingly spotless records, and the public wouldn't understand.
We then see Spider-Man's first public appearance catching some criminals, which switches to a Congress hearing discussing the matter, with some politicians advocating for the Superhero Registration Act. Stark is in attendance alongside T'Challa, who is acting as a spokesman for Wakanda on the matter of the Vibranium stashes that have been exposed by Ultron's attack. The UN believes Vibranium to be a dangerous resource and wants to oversee its mining and safekeeping, but T'Challa defends it belongs to his people. The usual political intrigue.
Cap and Stark meet to discuss the Vibranium weapon usage and discuss the concept of Registration, with Stark supporting it and Cap being against it. They discuss their motives. Meanwhile, in HYDRA's main lair, Zemo kills people who have failed him. Crossbones is there. Zemo says they in fact didn't fail, but it needed to appear so, because he doesn't trust anyone. And it's time to put their plan in motion.
Acting on a tip from one of his contacts, Bucky arrives at a HYDRA outpost in London, where he is ambushed by mercenaries. It's a set-up. The fight spills into the street, where Crossbones arranges a bombing to make it appear as if Bucky caused it. The explosions kills several people and causes widespread damage. Bucky escapes, and the Avengers move in to clean up the damage. The public outcry is massive, and the SHRA is approved. Stark decides to support it. He has learned from going through SHIELD leaks that Bucky killed his father and wants to bring him in.
In his farm, Hawkeye is attacked and captured by Crossbones, who kills his wife. He's then taken to HYDRA's lair and tortured for information in Fury's secret network, which only Barton is privy to, but doesn't break.
Cap is called to Stark's office, where he meets CIA asset Peter Gyrich, from London, who has been partnered with Sharon Carter. They announce the Registration has been approved and Cap and his team need to surrender. Cap says "no". Stark tells Steve he's bringing Bucky down, Cap says Bucky is innocent, brainwashed and needs help. Gyrich orders soldiers to seize up Cap, but he escapes.
Cap returns to HQ and tells the others what happened. He gets into an argument with Black Widow, who believes they need to register. They exchange harsh words, and when the military come to collect them, Cap leaves with Sam, Wanda and Vision while Natasha and Rhodes stay behind and join the Registration.
Fury sets up the Avengers in a safe house while Stark approaches Spider-Man to join the Registration. Spider-Man confides with Stark his secret identity, and Stark is surprised to learn he's just a boy. They bond, and Peter mentions Uncle Ben and his mantra that "With great powers, come great responsibilities". Stark then unveils his team on public TV, while Cap and his team become fugitives. Their top priority is to find Bucky before Stark.
Fury gets a lead on Bucky's whereabouts and the team heads there, but it is an ambush by Stark and his forces, leading to a fight. Stark has a new Bleeding Edge armor, but Vision holds his own. Scarlet Witch BTFOs some soldiers and Spider-Man, Falcon VS. War Machine, and Cap VS. Widow while she tries to get him to see things from her point of view. Scarlet Witch manages to blow them back long enough for her team to escape and reunite with Fury, who deduces Romanoff used her intel to forge a Bucky sighting to get them into a vulnerable place.
Cap doesn't want to endanger anyone else, but they all decide to stick to their guns and help him. Stark learns from Rhodes about the Vibranium weapons they busted from HYDRA, and Gyrich reports it to his superiors. They accuse Wakanda of endangering global security by not giving them entrance, and tensions escalate.
Bucky finds out about the Vibranium crisis and goes through his old contacts, eventually locating a HYDRA outpost where they storage Vibranium stolen from Wakanda before shipping it off to the other bases to produce weapons. Stark locates Bucky and tries to bring him in, leading to a fight in which Bucky gets pretty roughed up, but escapes. With no other option, he makes his way to the safe house where Steve is located, which he's aware of due to his extensive research on the SHIELD leaks, and tells him everything.
The New Avengers patch Bucky up and he and Steve finally talk it out. We get some exposition on Zemo and the reaffirmation of the Steve/Bucky broship. Meanwhile, Stark reports to his superiors about the HYDRA stealing Vibranium from Wakanda to produce weapons. T'Challa assures that they'll handle it on their own, but the government is undeterred and Gyrich orders the government Avengers to attack Wakanda, which Stark reluctantly agrees to do. Sharon, who is often at odds with Gyrich over his M.O, contacts Fury through a secure line and relays the info to Steve, saying she has faith in him.
Meanwhile, Hawkeye escapes from Zemo's hold as we've established.
Stark's Avengers arrive on Wakanda to seize the Vibranium, leading to tensions with the Wakanda military despite their efforts to maintain peace. Steve's Avengers intervene to stop them from causing an international incident and instead shut down the HYDRA outpost collecting Vibranium. Another fight ensues, in which Maria Hill is outed as a mole who sabotages the Bleeding Edge armor, leveling the game for Steve and Stark to have a big fight. The other Avengers fight as well, and it spills into the street.
Steve notices that, while everyone is beating each other, Spider-Man has peeled off and is rescuing civilians. He realizes they're fighting for themselves, not for the people, and they need to work together if they want to stop HYDRA. Natasha, who had been having some disagreements with Stark, vouches for Cap as they realize they're stronger together than apart.
T'Challa intervenes and volunteers to assist them in stopping HYDRA because he wants peace between his father's country and the United Nations. The Avengers, however, do not find the HYDRA outpost. It was all a dupe so they'd kill each other for Zemo.
Hawkeye manages to contact Fury and report to the location of Zemo's lair: Switzerland. The Avengers head there and rendezvous with Barton as they mount a massive attack on Zemo's compound. Zemo orders his men to fight back using Vibranium-based, reverse-engineered weapons from the Chitauri and Ultron, and the battle is fierce.
Hawkeye fights Crossbones and kills him with four arrows, one for each of his dead family members. Black Panther kicks ass. Wanda eventually manages to achieve enough control over her powers she rearranges the molecules of the HYDRA mooks weapons, culling the Vibranium's special properties and allowing the Avengers to solo them. Ant-Man also joins the final fight, having infiltrated it on Stark's behalf to sabotage the security systems, in exchange for pardon. He is registered, but doesn't really plan on a career in superheroics. That's pretty much all he does, then he fights some mooks and does the arrow riding bit. Most inconsequential role.
Cap and Bucky tag-team Zemo and his Vibranium sword, but Zemo still kicks a lot of ass while rambling about his ideals. He eventually gets defeated and Bucky moves in for the kill, but decides to spare him, and prove that he is more than the assassin HYDRA forced him to become.
Zemo and his men are locked up, and Stark retrieves the location of all of HYDRA's secret bases. The military move in to dismantle the entire organization, arrest its figureheads and apprehend their weapons and technology.
The Avengers are still wanted, but Stark decides to let them go, and Fury and Jason produce new identities for them to lay low. Vision decides to leave the Earth. Cap decides to surrender, but entrusts his shield to Bucky, so he can always remember who he really is: a hero.
Cap is arrested. Barton finds out his children have survived and leaves with them and brings Wanda along to look out for her as well. Natasha and Rhodes are back with Stark, while Fury disappears once again, now with Hill by his side. Peter realizes he isn't made to fight in wars, he's there to look out for the common man, and Stark sends him off, erasing his data from the registry.
Stark BTFOs Gyrich, announces he's taking over because Gyrich made illegal calls throughout his involvement with the SHRA, and Carter is promoted to his place. T'Challa returns to his country after all's said and done and sort of opens his borders more for foreign political envoys. The Vibranium mines are secured so no longer will they be breached. Stark visits Cap and they patch things up, Zemo is locked up in the Raft, Natasha visits Cap and they patch things up, Bucky keeps the torch alive.
Script ends.
Guy also says there is a Daredevil reference. Anti Superhero government man will mention "there is a crazy man in red beating up thugs in Hell's Kitchen."
Character details- Spider-Man:
- He's already a vigilante, with a shitty homemade costume, and he's the one turning the most heads, because he's actually superpowered and much more public than others (Daredevil is referenced). Stark recruits him to the government-sponsored Avengers, and they have a teacher-and-student relationship. He gets the suit from Stark.
He eventually feels the Avengers are taking their feud a little too far, and calls out Stark on his bullshit. In the end, he's one fo the few still in activity, even though he reneges on the government sponsorship.
He doesn't interact much with Cap, though. I missed that.
- Baron Zemo:
- He doesn't have a father that fought Captain America in WWII. He doesn't always wear the mask, though it has an interesting origin. It is described as black, though.
Also, I don't remember if it ever was so in the comics, but he was a Vibranium sword.
Keep in mind this was posted BEFORE Marvel's official announcement. But the entire cast including Ant Man and General Ross was reported by Latino
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Re: The Official Comicbook Movies Thread
by MaraVilla Fri May 08, 2015 2:49 pm
M99 wrote:Take it with a grain of salt or don't read it at all. A guy claiming to read the script (where do they come from
- Spoiler:
- Spoiler:
I imagine this is an early draft. Not only it is rather long, but has some dark as *bleep* moments that I can can't imagine Marvel will put in a movie. There's also a villain twist I'm certain /co/ won't like, and one particular moment that'll cause a lot of internet outcry, but is done pretty tastefully here. 9/10, has all it needs to be based.
And the characters that appear in it, for anyone who's curious: Captain America, Iron Man, Winter Soldier, Black Widow, Hawkeye, Falcon, War Machine, Scarlet Witch, Vision, Spider-Man, Black Panther, Ant-Man, Maria Hill, Nick Fury, Peter Gyrich, Crossbones, Sharon Carter, Baron Zemo, Hawkeye's family, President Ellis, Councilwoman Hawley, the SHIELD techie that wouldn't launch the ships (his name is Jason).
- Spoiler:
Also, it's pretty interesting to notice the script is just titled "Civil War".
- Spoiler:
Captain America is leading the New Avengers - Black Widow, Falcon, War Machine, Scarlet Witch and Vision - to take down the remnants of HYDRA and find Bucky, aided by Nick Fury.
The movie opens with them busting a drug deal and recovering some Vibranium-based weaponry. Back to their new headquarters, the Avengers get to mingle. Black Widow is the co-leader, Falcon and Captain America are true bros, and Falcon also has a sort of friendly rivalry with Rhodes since they're both airmen. Cap is coaching Wanda into dealing with her powers and losing Pietro, and Vision is dealing with his expanding consciousness.
Fury drops by to share some info on Bucky. He's been killing HYDRA officials all over the globe, and it's getting hard to keep track of him or cover up his assassinations. Lots of the HYDRA assets he's offed are power players with seemingly spotless records, and the public wouldn't understand.
We then see Spider-Man's first public appearance catching some criminals, which switches to a Congress hearing discussing the matter, with some politicians advocating for the Superhero Registration Act. Stark is in attendance alongside T'Challa, who is acting as a spokesman for Wakanda on the matter of the Vibranium stashes that have been exposed by Ultron's attack. The UN believes Vibranium to be a dangerous resource and wants to oversee its mining and safekeeping, but T'Challa defends it belongs to his people. The usual political intrigue.
Cap and Stark meet to discuss the Vibranium weapon usage and discuss the concept of Registration, with Stark supporting it and Cap being against it. They discuss their motives. Meanwhile, in HYDRA's main lair, Zemo kills people who have failed him. Crossbones is there. Zemo says they in fact didn't fail, but it needed to appear so, because he doesn't trust anyone. And it's time to put their plan in motion.
Acting on a tip from one of his contacts, Bucky arrives at a HYDRA outpost in London, where he is ambushed by mercenaries. It's a set-up. The fight spills into the street, where Crossbones arranges a bombing to make it appear as if Bucky caused it. The explosions kills several people and causes widespread damage. Bucky escapes, and the Avengers move in to clean up the damage. The public outcry is massive, and the SHRA is approved. Stark decides to support it. He has learned from going through SHIELD leaks that Bucky killed his father and wants to bring him in.
In his farm, Hawkeye is attacked and captured by Crossbones, who kills his wife. He's then taken to HYDRA's lair and tortured for information in Fury's secret network, which only Barton is privy to, but doesn't break.
Cap is called to Stark's office, where he meets CIA asset Peter Gyrich, from London, who has been partnered with Sharon Carter. They announce the Registration has been approved and Cap and his team need to surrender. Cap says "no". Stark tells Steve he's bringing Bucky down, Cap says Bucky is innocent, brainwashed and needs help. Gyrich orders soldiers to seize up Cap, but he escapes.
Cap returns to HQ and tells the others what happened. He gets into an argument with Black Widow, who believes they need to register. They exchange harsh words, and when the military come to collect them, Cap leaves with Sam, Wanda and Vision while Natasha and Rhodes stay behind and join the Registration.
Fury sets up the Avengers in a safe house while Stark approaches Spider-Man to join the Registration. Spider-Man confides with Stark his secret identity, and Stark is surprised to learn he's just a boy. They bond, and Peter mentions Uncle Ben and his mantra that "With great powers, come great responsibilities". Stark then unveils his team on public TV, while Cap and his team become fugitives. Their top priority is to find Bucky before Stark.
Fury gets a lead on Bucky's whereabouts and the team heads there, but it is an ambush by Stark and his forces, leading to a fight. Stark has a new Bleeding Edge armor, but Vision holds his own. Scarlet Witch BTFOs some soldiers and Spider-Man, Falcon VS. War Machine, and Cap VS. Widow while she tries to get him to see things from her point of view. Scarlet Witch manages to blow them back long enough for her team to escape and reunite with Fury, who deduces Romanoff used her intel to forge a Bucky sighting to get them into a vulnerable place.
Cap doesn't want to endanger anyone else, but they all decide to stick to their guns and help him. Stark learns from Rhodes about the Vibranium weapons they busted from HYDRA, and Gyrich reports it to his superiors. They accuse Wakanda of endangering global security by not giving them entrance, and tensions escalate.
Bucky finds out about the Vibranium crisis and goes through his old contacts, eventually locating a HYDRA outpost where they storage Vibranium stolen from Wakanda before shipping it off to the other bases to produce weapons. Stark locates Bucky and tries to bring him in, leading to a fight in which Bucky gets pretty roughed up, but escapes. With no other option, he makes his way to the safe house where Steve is located, which he's aware of due to his extensive research on the SHIELD leaks, and tells him everything.
The New Avengers patch Bucky up and he and Steve finally talk it out. We get some exposition on Zemo and the reaffirmation of the Steve/Bucky broship. Meanwhile, Stark reports to his superiors about the HYDRA stealing Vibranium from Wakanda to produce weapons. T'Challa assures that they'll handle it on their own, but the government is undeterred and Gyrich orders the government Avengers to attack Wakanda, which Stark reluctantly agrees to do. Sharon, who is often at odds with Gyrich over his M.O, contacts Fury through a secure line and relays the info to Steve, saying she has faith in him.
Meanwhile, Hawkeye escapes from Zemo's hold as we've established.
Stark's Avengers arrive on Wakanda to seize the Vibranium, leading to tensions with the Wakanda military despite their efforts to maintain peace. Steve's Avengers intervene to stop them from causing an international incident and instead shut down the HYDRA outpost collecting Vibranium. Another fight ensues, in which Maria Hill is outed as a mole who sabotages the Bleeding Edge armor, leveling the game for Steve and Stark to have a big fight. The other Avengers fight as well, and it spills into the street.
Steve notices that, while everyone is beating each other, Spider-Man has peeled off and is rescuing civilians. He realizes they're fighting for themselves, not for the people, and they need to work together if they want to stop HYDRA. Natasha, who had been having some disagreements with Stark, vouches for Cap as they realize they're stronger together than apart.
T'Challa intervenes and volunteers to assist them in stopping HYDRA because he wants peace between his father's country and the United Nations. The Avengers, however, do not find the HYDRA outpost. It was all a dupe so they'd kill each other for Zemo.
Hawkeye manages to contact Fury and report to the location of Zemo's lair: Switzerland. The Avengers head there and rendezvous with Barton as they mount a massive attack on Zemo's compound. Zemo orders his men to fight back using Vibranium-based, reverse-engineered weapons from the Chitauri and Ultron, and the battle is fierce.
Hawkeye fights Crossbones and kills him with four arrows, one for each of his dead family members. Black Panther kicks ass. Wanda eventually manages to achieve enough control over her powers she rearranges the molecules of the HYDRA mooks weapons, culling the Vibranium's special properties and allowing the Avengers to solo them. Ant-Man also joins the final fight, having infiltrated it on Stark's behalf to sabotage the security systems, in exchange for pardon. He is registered, but doesn't really plan on a career in superheroics. That's pretty much all he does, then he fights some mooks and does the arrow riding bit. Most inconsequential role.
Cap and Bucky tag-team Zemo and his Vibranium sword, but Zemo still kicks a lot of ass while rambling about his ideals. He eventually gets defeated and Bucky moves in for the kill, but decides to spare him, and prove that he is more than the assassin HYDRA forced him to become.
Zemo and his men are locked up, and Stark retrieves the location of all of HYDRA's secret bases. The military move in to dismantle the entire organization, arrest its figureheads and apprehend their weapons and technology.
The Avengers are still wanted, but Stark decides to let them go, and Fury and Jason produce new identities for them to lay low. Vision decides to leave the Earth. Cap decides to surrender, but entrusts his shield to Bucky, so he can always remember who he really is: a hero.
Cap is arrested. Barton finds out his children have survived and leaves with them and brings Wanda along to look out for her as well. Natasha and Rhodes are back with Stark, while Fury disappears once again, now with Hill by his side. Peter realizes he isn't made to fight in wars, he's there to look out for the common man, and Stark sends him off, erasing his data from the registry.
Stark BTFOs Gyrich, announces he's taking over because Gyrich made illegal calls throughout his involvement with the SHRA, and Carter is promoted to his place. T'Challa returns to his country after all's said and done and sort of opens his borders more for foreign political envoys. The Vibranium mines are secured so no longer will they be breached. Stark visits Cap and they patch things up, Zemo is locked up in the Raft, Natasha visits Cap and they patch things up, Bucky keeps the torch alive.
Script ends.
Guy also says there is a Daredevil reference. Anti Superhero government man will mention "there is a crazy man in red beating up thugs in Hell's Kitchen."
Character details
- Spider-Man:
He eventually feels the Avengers are taking their feud a little too far, and calls out Stark on his bullshit. In the end, he's one fo the few still in activity, even though he reneges on the government sponsorship.
He doesn't interact much with Cap, though. I missed that.
- Baron Zemo:
Also, I don't remember if it ever was so in the comics, but he was a Vibranium sword.
Keep in mind this was posted BEFORE Marvel's official announcement. But the entire cast including Ant Man and General Ross was reported by Latino
if thats it, then it might be actually be pretty good.
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Re: The Official Comicbook Movies Thread
by M99 Fri May 08, 2015 5:14 pm
‘Spider-Man' Reboot Film Details: Peter Parker's Story To Be Told In Four Movie Series
http://www.ibtimes.com.au/spider-man-reboot-film-details-peter-parkers-story-be-told-four-movie-series-1446703
http://www.ibtimes.com.au/spider-man-reboot-film-details-peter-parkers-story-be-told-four-movie-series-1446703
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Re: The Official Comicbook Movies Thread
by McAgger Sat May 09, 2015 6:07 am
Watched Age of Ultron. Loved it as much as the first one. But it's not better than the 1st one for me. I would say about the same.
8/10
Cap2/GOTG
IM1/Avengers1/AoU
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The rest of the 5 films
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The Incredible Hulk
In that order so far for me.
8/10
Cap2/GOTG
IM1/Avengers1/AoU
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The rest of the 5 films
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The Incredible Hulk
In that order so far for me.
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Re: The Official Comicbook Movies Thread
by RealGunner Sat May 09, 2015 1:18 pm
Hugh Jackman confirms he's stepping down as Wolverine in 2017
and in other news
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and in other news
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Re: The Official Comicbook Movies Thread
by Freeza Sat May 09, 2015 1:53 pm
That Hugh Jackman thing was confirmed months ago
Continuity wise it's gonna be hard to explain how Charles doesn't look 50 in X-men
Continuity wise it's gonna be hard to explain how Charles doesn't look 50 in X-men
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Re: The Official Comicbook Movies Thread
by M99 Mon May 11, 2015 5:33 pm
Finally watched Avengers. Really enjoyed it.
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- Entire theater went OHHHHHHH when Vision pucked up Mjolnir. Thor and Hawkeye's face
Hawkeye was amazing in it, main man Renner killed it 
Scarlet Witch and Quicksilver was great, damn I would have liked to see QS in more films but it's about time they permanently kill someone of. Agreed with RG on the misrepresentation of Hulk, we won't get truly what a loose cannon Hulk is and how much he hates Banner from anything but a Hulk solo film. Hope they have something for Phase 4. Ultron was good imo but he needed to do more damage. Kill a shitload of civilians at least.
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Re: The Official Comicbook Movies Thread
by Blue Barrett Mon May 11, 2015 5:52 pm
M99 wrote:Don't call me James wrote:Dat list
More superheros than the 2 Avengers combined
I hope that blond chick in Cap2 that was Steve Rogers neighbor but ended up being a Shield Agent also appears. I've got a crush on her. Would wife her up ffs
She is appearing. She is Agent 13/Sharon Carter.
Also 4chan at it again. Civil War script posted there and it sounds amazing. It's too good to be true so it's a fake I bet.
Got a link to that?
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Re: The Official Comicbook Movies Thread
by El Gunner Mon May 11, 2015 6:19 pm
@Barrett, it's in spoilers a few posts above
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Re: The Official Comicbook Movies Thread
by Abramovich Mon May 11, 2015 7:18 pm
M99 wrote:Take it with a grain of salt or don't read it at all. A guy claiming to read the script (where do they come from
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I imagine this is an early draft. Not only it is rather long, but has some dark as *bleep* moments that I can can't imagine Marvel will put in a movie. There's also a villain twist I'm certain /co/ won't like, and one particular moment that'll cause a lot of internet outcry, but is done pretty tastefully here. 9/10, has all it needs to be based.
And the characters that appear in it, for anyone who's curious: Captain America, Iron Man, Winter Soldier, Black Widow, Hawkeye, Falcon, War Machine, Scarlet Witch, Vision, Spider-Man, Black Panther, Ant-Man, Maria Hill, Nick Fury, Peter Gyrich, Crossbones, Sharon Carter, Baron Zemo, Hawkeye's family, President Ellis, Councilwoman Hawley, the SHIELD techie that wouldn't launch the ships (his name is Jason).
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Also, it's pretty interesting to notice the script is just titled "Civil War".
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Captain America is leading the New Avengers - Black Widow, Falcon, War Machine, Scarlet Witch and Vision - to take down the remnants of HYDRA and find Bucky, aided by Nick Fury.
The movie opens with them busting a drug deal and recovering some Vibranium-based weaponry. Back to their new headquarters, the Avengers get to mingle. Black Widow is the co-leader, Falcon and Captain America are true bros, and Falcon also has a sort of friendly rivalry with Rhodes since they're both airmen. Cap is coaching Wanda into dealing with her powers and losing Pietro, and Vision is dealing with his expanding consciousness.
Fury drops by to share some info on Bucky. He's been killing HYDRA officials all over the globe, and it's getting hard to keep track of him or cover up his assassinations. Lots of the HYDRA assets he's offed are power players with seemingly spotless records, and the public wouldn't understand.
We then see Spider-Man's first public appearance catching some criminals, which switches to a Congress hearing discussing the matter, with some politicians advocating for the Superhero Registration Act. Stark is in attendance alongside T'Challa, who is acting as a spokesman for Wakanda on the matter of the Vibranium stashes that have been exposed by Ultron's attack. The UN believes Vibranium to be a dangerous resource and wants to oversee its mining and safekeeping, but T'Challa defends it belongs to his people. The usual political intrigue.
Cap and Stark meet to discuss the Vibranium weapon usage and discuss the concept of Registration, with Stark supporting it and Cap being against it. They discuss their motives. Meanwhile, in HYDRA's main lair, Zemo kills people who have failed him. Crossbones is there. Zemo says they in fact didn't fail, but it needed to appear so, because he doesn't trust anyone. And it's time to put their plan in motion.
Acting on a tip from one of his contacts, Bucky arrives at a HYDRA outpost in London, where he is ambushed by mercenaries. It's a set-up. The fight spills into the street, where Crossbones arranges a bombing to make it appear as if Bucky caused it. The explosions kills several people and causes widespread damage. Bucky escapes, and the Avengers move in to clean up the damage. The public outcry is massive, and the SHRA is approved. Stark decides to support it. He has learned from going through SHIELD leaks that Bucky killed his father and wants to bring him in.
In his farm, Hawkeye is attacked and captured by Crossbones, who kills his wife. He's then taken to HYDRA's lair and tortured for information in Fury's secret network, which only Barton is privy to, but doesn't break.
Cap is called to Stark's office, where he meets CIA asset Peter Gyrich, from London, who has been partnered with Sharon Carter. They announce the Registration has been approved and Cap and his team need to surrender. Cap says "no". Stark tells Steve he's bringing Bucky down, Cap says Bucky is innocent, brainwashed and needs help. Gyrich orders soldiers to seize up Cap, but he escapes.
Cap returns to HQ and tells the others what happened. He gets into an argument with Black Widow, who believes they need to register. They exchange harsh words, and when the military come to collect them, Cap leaves with Sam, Wanda and Vision while Natasha and Rhodes stay behind and join the Registration.
Fury sets up the Avengers in a safe house while Stark approaches Spider-Man to join the Registration. Spider-Man confides with Stark his secret identity, and Stark is surprised to learn he's just a boy. They bond, and Peter mentions Uncle Ben and his mantra that "With great powers, come great responsibilities". Stark then unveils his team on public TV, while Cap and his team become fugitives. Their top priority is to find Bucky before Stark.
Fury gets a lead on Bucky's whereabouts and the team heads there, but it is an ambush by Stark and his forces, leading to a fight. Stark has a new Bleeding Edge armor, but Vision holds his own. Scarlet Witch BTFOs some soldiers and Spider-Man, Falcon VS. War Machine, and Cap VS. Widow while she tries to get him to see things from her point of view. Scarlet Witch manages to blow them back long enough for her team to escape and reunite with Fury, who deduces Romanoff used her intel to forge a Bucky sighting to get them into a vulnerable place.
Cap doesn't want to endanger anyone else, but they all decide to stick to their guns and help him. Stark learns from Rhodes about the Vibranium weapons they busted from HYDRA, and Gyrich reports it to his superiors. They accuse Wakanda of endangering global security by not giving them entrance, and tensions escalate.
Bucky finds out about the Vibranium crisis and goes through his old contacts, eventually locating a HYDRA outpost where they storage Vibranium stolen from Wakanda before shipping it off to the other bases to produce weapons. Stark locates Bucky and tries to bring him in, leading to a fight in which Bucky gets pretty roughed up, but escapes. With no other option, he makes his way to the safe house where Steve is located, which he's aware of due to his extensive research on the SHIELD leaks, and tells him everything.
The New Avengers patch Bucky up and he and Steve finally talk it out. We get some exposition on Zemo and the reaffirmation of the Steve/Bucky broship. Meanwhile, Stark reports to his superiors about the HYDRA stealing Vibranium from Wakanda to produce weapons. T'Challa assures that they'll handle it on their own, but the government is undeterred and Gyrich orders the government Avengers to attack Wakanda, which Stark reluctantly agrees to do. Sharon, who is often at odds with Gyrich over his M.O, contacts Fury through a secure line and relays the info to Steve, saying she has faith in him.
Meanwhile, Hawkeye escapes from Zemo's hold as we've established.
Stark's Avengers arrive on Wakanda to seize the Vibranium, leading to tensions with the Wakanda military despite their efforts to maintain peace. Steve's Avengers intervene to stop them from causing an international incident and instead shut down the HYDRA outpost collecting Vibranium. Another fight ensues, in which Maria Hill is outed as a mole who sabotages the Bleeding Edge armor, leveling the game for Steve and Stark to have a big fight. The other Avengers fight as well, and it spills into the street.
Steve notices that, while everyone is beating each other, Spider-Man has peeled off and is rescuing civilians. He realizes they're fighting for themselves, not for the people, and they need to work together if they want to stop HYDRA. Natasha, who had been having some disagreements with Stark, vouches for Cap as they realize they're stronger together than apart.
T'Challa intervenes and volunteers to assist them in stopping HYDRA because he wants peace between his father's country and the United Nations. The Avengers, however, do not find the HYDRA outpost. It was all a dupe so they'd kill each other for Zemo.
Hawkeye manages to contact Fury and report to the location of Zemo's lair: Switzerland. The Avengers head there and rendezvous with Barton as they mount a massive attack on Zemo's compound. Zemo orders his men to fight back using Vibranium-based, reverse-engineered weapons from the Chitauri and Ultron, and the battle is fierce.
Hawkeye fights Crossbones and kills him with four arrows, one for each of his dead family members. Black Panther kicks ass. Wanda eventually manages to achieve enough control over her powers she rearranges the molecules of the HYDRA mooks weapons, culling the Vibranium's special properties and allowing the Avengers to solo them. Ant-Man also joins the final fight, having infiltrated it on Stark's behalf to sabotage the security systems, in exchange for pardon. He is registered, but doesn't really plan on a career in superheroics. That's pretty much all he does, then he fights some mooks and does the arrow riding bit. Most inconsequential role.
Cap and Bucky tag-team Zemo and his Vibranium sword, but Zemo still kicks a lot of ass while rambling about his ideals. He eventually gets defeated and Bucky moves in for the kill, but decides to spare him, and prove that he is more than the assassin HYDRA forced him to become.
Zemo and his men are locked up, and Stark retrieves the location of all of HYDRA's secret bases. The military move in to dismantle the entire organization, arrest its figureheads and apprehend their weapons and technology.
The Avengers are still wanted, but Stark decides to let them go, and Fury and Jason produce new identities for them to lay low. Vision decides to leave the Earth. Cap decides to surrender, but entrusts his shield to Bucky, so he can always remember who he really is: a hero.
Cap is arrested. Barton finds out his children have survived and leaves with them and brings Wanda along to look out for her as well. Natasha and Rhodes are back with Stark, while Fury disappears once again, now with Hill by his side. Peter realizes he isn't made to fight in wars, he's there to look out for the common man, and Stark sends him off, erasing his data from the registry.
Stark BTFOs Gyrich, announces he's taking over because Gyrich made illegal calls throughout his involvement with the SHRA, and Carter is promoted to his place. T'Challa returns to his country after all's said and done and sort of opens his borders more for foreign political envoys. The Vibranium mines are secured so no longer will they be breached. Stark visits Cap and they patch things up, Zemo is locked up in the Raft, Natasha visits Cap and they patch things up, Bucky keeps the torch alive.
Script ends.
Guy also says there is a Daredevil reference. Anti Superhero government man will mention "there is a crazy man in red beating up thugs in Hell's Kitchen."
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He eventually feels the Avengers are taking their feud a little too far, and calls out Stark on his bullshit. In the end, he's one fo the few still in activity, even though he reneges on the government sponsorship.
He doesn't interact much with Cap, though. I missed that.
- Baron Zemo:
Also, I don't remember if it ever was so in the comics, but he was a Vibranium sword.
Keep in mind this was posted BEFORE Marvel's official announcement. But the entire cast including Ant Man and General Ross was reported by Latino
Great read regardless
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Re: The Official Comicbook Movies Thread
by RedOranje Mon May 11, 2015 9:40 pm
Taken a few days to digest things after watching Age of Ultron, and honestly I have to say I wasn't hugely impressed with it. It felt disjointed, like the pieces were there but they didn't quite fall into place to make it really click. The first was brilliant because of simplicity and the fantastic execution that came with it... this one felt like it tried to do more, and *almost* pulled it off but just fell short.
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- My two major issues:
Ultron:
He just didn't feel threatening at all. I'm not sure if it was the quips and speaking style, the movement and reshaping of the face, or something else, but he felt more like a comedic side villain than the main antagonist for such a film, the threat never really came through.
Thor:
What in the world was going on with his story in the middle of the movie? It felt like it was completely out of sync with the rest of the film and the cave scene in particular stopped the film dead. I have seen rumours that the cave-scene and infinity-stone portion were forced on the movie by Marvel execs who thought that there needed to be explicit set-up for the Infinity War films and explanation for the stones, rather than allowing the audience to infer it. If true, it would explain what I feel is the weakest part of the film.
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Re: The Official Comicbook Movies Thread
by RealGunner Mon May 11, 2015 10:23 pm
RedOranje wrote:Taken a few days to digest things after watching Age of Ultron, and honestly I have to say I wasn't hugely impressed with it. It felt disjointed, like the pieces were there but they didn't quite fall into place to make it really click. The first was brilliant because of simplicity and the fantastic execution that came with it... this one felt like it tried to do more, and *almost* pulled it off but just fell short.
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Ultron:
He just didn't feel threatening at all. I'm not sure if it was the quips and speaking style, the movement and reshaping of the face, or something else, but he felt more like a comedic side villain than the main antagonist for such a film, the threat never really came through.
Thor:
What in the world was going on with his story in the middle of the movie? It felt like it was completely out of sync with the rest of the film and the cave scene in particular stopped the film dead. I have seen rumours that the cave-scene and infinity-stone portion were forced on the movie by Marvel execs who thought that there needed to be explicit set-up for the Infinity War films and explanation for the stones, rather than allowing the audience to infer it. If true, it would explain what I feel is the weakest part of the film.
Completely agree with the issues
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Ultron seemed more like a Disney villain than a Marvel villain. There was just one moment he looked threatening and that was when he cut that guy's hand off. He progressively became weaker and weaker. Was very human-esque than an AI which he should have been.
Everyone complained a bout the other part. Josh Wheldon wasn't able to direct the film he wanted. He had to make the film Marvel wanted. I highly doubt it was his idea to force bruce-widow romance or all the other unnecessary bits.
They tried to set up Thor 3 with that random Thor disappearance.
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Re: The Official Comicbook Movies Thread
by LeVersacci Mon May 11, 2015 11:07 pm
Watched Guardians again last night. Legit can't wait for Thanos in the next Avengers. Hope to see more cameo from him in phase 3.
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- Yeah Ultron was a joke. Didn't feel threatening at all smh. Loki was a comedy villain aswell lol. I know Thanos will step up even though I know very little about him but wow 2 shitty villains in avengers so far
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Re: The Official Comicbook Movies Thread
by LeVersacci Wed May 13, 2015 10:28 am
Did Magneto ever face Ultron in the comics?
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Re: The Official Comicbook Movies Thread
by El Gunner Wed May 13, 2015 11:48 am
Might catch the movie at the end of this month if it is still showing which I believe will be the case because Furious 7 is still racking in the numbers
If not then Mad Max
Infact might as well sway my friend into picking MM over Avengers.
If not then Mad Max
Infact might as well sway my friend into picking MM over Avengers.
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Re: The Official Comicbook Movies Thread
by RealGunner Wed May 13, 2015 6:19 pm
LeVersacci wrote:
Did Magneto ever face Ultron in the comics?
Funnily he didn't. Was never mentioned. Main protagonists were Avengers, Wolverine and the X-Men, Spiderman and Fantastic Four.
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by McAgger Wed May 13, 2015 6:23 pm
How in the world did the mutant world and X-Men ever get integrated with the Avengers? It just seems so out of place in terms of story lines actually making sense.
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by RealGunner Wed May 13, 2015 6:27 pm
It wasn't an avengers only storyline. Ultron returned to destroy the earth and obviously other superheroes exists in the comic universe.
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by RedOranje Wed May 13, 2015 7:55 pm
Mutants HAVE been on the Avengers team in several instances... Havok, Wolverine, the Maximoff twins, etc...
However, keep in mind that in basically every Marvel comic universe mutants are (at most times) widely distrusted and feared by the general public, making membership on such a prominent team difficult. Further, the X-men tend to prefer to operate independently for a number of reasons and only really interact with the Avengers either in major event team-ups or in adversarial encounters. Hell, Cyclops (Scott Summers) has basically gone full-Magneto now.
At the same time Ultron, for all his threat, is a Pym/Avengers villain and tends to be kept in books for either/both of those (bar a few exemptions, including one notable foray into Cosmic Marvel). He's not generally treated as a Galactus-level threat in comics (by writers) so doesn't merit full-on, cross-series team-ups or events.
However, keep in mind that in basically every Marvel comic universe mutants are (at most times) widely distrusted and feared by the general public, making membership on such a prominent team difficult. Further, the X-men tend to prefer to operate independently for a number of reasons and only really interact with the Avengers either in major event team-ups or in adversarial encounters. Hell, Cyclops (Scott Summers) has basically gone full-Magneto now.
At the same time Ultron, for all his threat, is a Pym/Avengers villain and tends to be kept in books for either/both of those (bar a few exemptions, including one notable foray into Cosmic Marvel). He's not generally treated as a Galactus-level threat in comics (by writers) so doesn't merit full-on, cross-series team-ups or events.
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