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Champions League Play-Off 2nd Leg - Arsenal 1 - 0 Besiktas: Another year in the group stages
by Jay29 Wed Aug 27, 2014 10:09 pm
Arsenal, why do you do this to us?
As if a game with so much on stake isn't already enough, things had to be made more difficult by Arsenal squandering chances, Besiktas actually turning up and the referee doing his best to follow in the footsteps of Tom Hening Overbo. But on a night where things could have gone so very, very wrong, Arsenal came through with a vital win.
Collectively, it wasn't a great performance. It was much of the same from the previous games, with a clear misunderstanding between players in attack. Strangely, Arsenal seemed to have changed shape from a 4-2-3-1 to a 4-1-4-1 and the difference is clear; the flatter midfield leaves the lone striker too isolated. Two attacking midfielders in Ozil and Cazorla are now playing in slightly unfamiliar roles of LM and CM when they would be, perhaps, better served playing closer to Alexis Sanchez.
Individually, at least, there were some big performances in both halves. For what the team lacked in cohesion, they more than made up for in endeavour. Wilshere, Cazorla and Alexis put in huge shifts and the three them became the axis in which we built the victory around. They ably supported by Debuchy, Monreal and Chamberlain, plus the returning partnership of Koscielny and Mertesacker. The only one who didn't really show up was Ozil, but out of position and unfit, that's probably not surprising (and I don't want to start the scapegoating too soon).
Turned out that that was enough to get us through the game, albeit not comfortably. Besiktas played with the same intensity and physicality from the first leg and defended the centre of the pitch very well, while Arsenal had the problem of getting numbers up in support of Alexis and getting numbers into the penalty area. As mentioned earlier, it seemed strange that Arsenal didn't play with a 10 to support Alexis. The fact that Arsenal no longer dominate the ball in the opposition half makes it an ever harder job for him, especially as we don't press without the ball.
So we had some issues and the game looked like it would become edgier and edgier the longer it went without a goal. Alexis popping up with the opening goal when he did resulted in a palpable sense of relief. It wasn't the best of strikes and the keeper should've saved it, but it was the only chance he got all half and he converted it.
The second half saw us play with more intensity and look good for another goal, with Chamberlain missing a sitter, until the ref decided he wanted to be a hero and give Debuchy a second yellow card for winning the ball cleanly. Inevitably, the flow of the game changed, with Arsenal camped in their own half and Besiktas piling on the pressure. They were, however, met with stout Arsenal resistance, who limited the amount of chances they had.
Overall, it wasn't the prettiest of victories, but it was a better performance from the weekend with plenty of positive performances from players. If anything, all that was missing was a second goal to add a bit of extra sheen to the result.
There'll be concerns about our attacking and the odd defensive error, but I really feel these are things that will improve the more these players play together. There were numerous times tonight where Ozil and Alexis weren't on the same wavelength – Alexis made some brilliant runs when we were breaking, but he was never found – while the defence will have to adjust to having a more aggressive right back. It's a different shape, too. It'll come.
For now, we just need to keep getting positive results. August has been a good move so far, with the Community Shield and Champions League football secured, plus an unbeaten start to the league. If we can wrap it off with a win at Leicester on Sunday and a decent end to the transfer window, that'll be great.
As if a game with so much on stake isn't already enough, things had to be made more difficult by Arsenal squandering chances, Besiktas actually turning up and the referee doing his best to follow in the footsteps of Tom Hening Overbo. But on a night where things could have gone so very, very wrong, Arsenal came through with a vital win.
Collectively, it wasn't a great performance. It was much of the same from the previous games, with a clear misunderstanding between players in attack. Strangely, Arsenal seemed to have changed shape from a 4-2-3-1 to a 4-1-4-1 and the difference is clear; the flatter midfield leaves the lone striker too isolated. Two attacking midfielders in Ozil and Cazorla are now playing in slightly unfamiliar roles of LM and CM when they would be, perhaps, better served playing closer to Alexis Sanchez.
Individually, at least, there were some big performances in both halves. For what the team lacked in cohesion, they more than made up for in endeavour. Wilshere, Cazorla and Alexis put in huge shifts and the three them became the axis in which we built the victory around. They ably supported by Debuchy, Monreal and Chamberlain, plus the returning partnership of Koscielny and Mertesacker. The only one who didn't really show up was Ozil, but out of position and unfit, that's probably not surprising (and I don't want to start the scapegoating too soon).
Turned out that that was enough to get us through the game, albeit not comfortably. Besiktas played with the same intensity and physicality from the first leg and defended the centre of the pitch very well, while Arsenal had the problem of getting numbers up in support of Alexis and getting numbers into the penalty area. As mentioned earlier, it seemed strange that Arsenal didn't play with a 10 to support Alexis. The fact that Arsenal no longer dominate the ball in the opposition half makes it an ever harder job for him, especially as we don't press without the ball.
So we had some issues and the game looked like it would become edgier and edgier the longer it went without a goal. Alexis popping up with the opening goal when he did resulted in a palpable sense of relief. It wasn't the best of strikes and the keeper should've saved it, but it was the only chance he got all half and he converted it.
The second half saw us play with more intensity and look good for another goal, with Chamberlain missing a sitter, until the ref decided he wanted to be a hero and give Debuchy a second yellow card for winning the ball cleanly. Inevitably, the flow of the game changed, with Arsenal camped in their own half and Besiktas piling on the pressure. They were, however, met with stout Arsenal resistance, who limited the amount of chances they had.
Overall, it wasn't the prettiest of victories, but it was a better performance from the weekend with plenty of positive performances from players. If anything, all that was missing was a second goal to add a bit of extra sheen to the result.
There'll be concerns about our attacking and the odd defensive error, but I really feel these are things that will improve the more these players play together. There were numerous times tonight where Ozil and Alexis weren't on the same wavelength – Alexis made some brilliant runs when we were breaking, but he was never found – while the defence will have to adjust to having a more aggressive right back. It's a different shape, too. It'll come.
For now, we just need to keep getting positive results. August has been a good move so far, with the Community Shield and Champions League football secured, plus an unbeaten start to the league. If we can wrap it off with a win at Leicester on Sunday and a decent end to the transfer window, that'll be great.
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Re: Champions League Play-Off 2nd Leg - Arsenal 1 - 0 Besiktas: Another year in the group stages
by RealGunner Wed Aug 27, 2014 10:22 pm
Unbelievable match. Wish I was watching it as a neutral.
I don't even know how to describe it. It was a lot of hand in mouth moments and about 10 FFS per minute. Surely it's just not us who goes through this with our club lol?
Anyways, this was the best collective performance I've seen in a long time. Every player did his role perfectly. The fighting spirit was unreal. We all wanted this badly and we made it happen.
Our midfield worked better today. Wilshere was fantastic because he played a role and wasn't just 'playing for the sake of it'. Cazorla and him were both great in midfield. Flamini was as robust as he usually is.
Monreal and Debuchy were great. Koscielny looked a bit unfit but grew as the game went on. Mertesacker lacks sharpness atm. Will come though.
Sanchez
We paid 32m for him and every penny was worth it. He is going to be so good when fully fit and playing properly once our system gets into place with the returning players.
I don't even know how to describe it. It was a lot of hand in mouth moments and about 10 FFS per minute. Surely it's just not us who goes through this with our club lol?
Anyways, this was the best collective performance I've seen in a long time. Every player did his role perfectly. The fighting spirit was unreal. We all wanted this badly and we made it happen.
Our midfield worked better today. Wilshere was fantastic because he played a role and wasn't just 'playing for the sake of it'. Cazorla and him were both great in midfield. Flamini was as robust as he usually is.
Monreal and Debuchy were great. Koscielny looked a bit unfit but grew as the game went on. Mertesacker lacks sharpness atm. Will come though.
Sanchez
We paid 32m for him and every penny was worth it. He is going to be so good when fully fit and playing properly once our system gets into place with the returning players.
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Re: Champions League Play-Off 2nd Leg - Arsenal 1 - 0 Besiktas: Another year in the group stages
by urbaNRoots Wed Aug 27, 2014 10:30 pm
Champions League baby, good win.
Great game from Wilshere (as expected in a big european game), Cazorla and Alexis from an attacking and defensive point of view, they worked their asses off. As for Oxlade-Chamberlain and Özil, I can understand why Wenger wants 3 in midfield but wouldn't it be better to switch their roles so they can be more comfortable in more natural positions? Alexis was crying out for some decent through balls with his excellent runs.
Alexis - Özil - Walcott behind a top striker has some crazy potential, it's a real shame Wenger is refusing to complete that.
Great game from Wilshere (as expected in a big european game), Cazorla and Alexis from an attacking and defensive point of view, they worked their asses off. As for Oxlade-Chamberlain and Özil, I can understand why Wenger wants 3 in midfield but wouldn't it be better to switch their roles so they can be more comfortable in more natural positions? Alexis was crying out for some decent through balls with his excellent runs.
Alexis - Özil - Walcott behind a top striker has some crazy potential, it's a real shame Wenger is refusing to complete that.
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Re: Champions League Play-Off 2nd Leg - Arsenal 1 - 0 Besiktas: Another year in the group stages
by CBarca Wed Aug 27, 2014 10:33 pm
Alexis basically paying for his transfer with that goal 
Happy you guys are in it again this year.
Happy you guys are in it again this year.
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Re: Champions League Play-Off 2nd Leg - Arsenal 1 - 0 Besiktas: Another year in the group stages
by Chumlum Wed Aug 27, 2014 10:36 pm
Nervous, sometimes frustrating match. Not everything came together. But despite the averageness of the overall performance, I did see a lot of promise.
I'll start with the defensive team spirit: with backs against the wall. Say whatever you will about Arsenal falling short in certain ways, this post-Cesc, post-RvP squad is one that handles late pressure (in seasons, in matches) really well.
Individual performances ...
Alexis has now already paid back the bulk of his transfer fee. More or less. He looked really good in this match and I think that as he and his teammates understand each other better, the possibility of him as the front man will be doable. I'm continuing to withhold judgment. His workrate is phenomenal. I love his pace, his quick feet, and his dribbling. If he can grow into the central position with this squad, he could be a terrific Plan A or Plan B from the established Giroud/Sanogo tactic.
I said in the live thread that I thought Özil had a few sparks to him despite persistent rustiness, and I stick by that. That one pass in the 25th minute where he should have played Alexis centrally but (wrongly) anticipated a diagonal run from the Chilean was unfortunate, but it's the kind of thing that indicates he's thinking & acting creatively on the break, and that's the direction we want to see. Also, he gets credit for the assist, right? Or did Jack get a touch?
Wilshere and Ox were both solid today. A lot of the trademark Jack runs straight through midfield--in fact it's probably the most potent example of him doing just that in recent memory, no? As for the Ox, man, if and when this guy improves his finishing, he's gonna be insane.
Good work all night by the back four, despite Debuchy's enthusiasm getting out of check.
Finally, I thought Cazorla was excellent. His workrate saw him make some very useful defensive contributions and he looked dangerous going forward too. I've always loved Santi and it's great to see him moving back into form.
Looking forward to the group stage.
I'll start with the defensive team spirit: with backs against the wall. Say whatever you will about Arsenal falling short in certain ways, this post-Cesc, post-RvP squad is one that handles late pressure (in seasons, in matches) really well.
Individual performances ...
Alexis has now already paid back the bulk of his transfer fee. More or less. He looked really good in this match and I think that as he and his teammates understand each other better, the possibility of him as the front man will be doable. I'm continuing to withhold judgment. His workrate is phenomenal. I love his pace, his quick feet, and his dribbling. If he can grow into the central position with this squad, he could be a terrific Plan A or Plan B from the established Giroud/Sanogo tactic.
I said in the live thread that I thought Özil had a few sparks to him despite persistent rustiness, and I stick by that. That one pass in the 25th minute where he should have played Alexis centrally but (wrongly) anticipated a diagonal run from the Chilean was unfortunate, but it's the kind of thing that indicates he's thinking & acting creatively on the break, and that's the direction we want to see. Also, he gets credit for the assist, right? Or did Jack get a touch?
Wilshere and Ox were both solid today. A lot of the trademark Jack runs straight through midfield--in fact it's probably the most potent example of him doing just that in recent memory, no? As for the Ox, man, if and when this guy improves his finishing, he's gonna be insane.
Good work all night by the back four, despite Debuchy's enthusiasm getting out of check.
Finally, I thought Cazorla was excellent. His workrate saw him make some very useful defensive contributions and he looked dangerous going forward too. I've always loved Santi and it's great to see him moving back into form.
Looking forward to the group stage.
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Re: Champions League Play-Off 2nd Leg - Arsenal 1 - 0 Besiktas: Another year in the group stages
by EL Patron Wed Aug 27, 2014 10:51 pm
Crap performance but in massive games like these results > performances any day of the week. Cazorla, Jack and Alexis were very good, on another night we might have scored more.If Arsene is going to play Ozil wide in in this new formation, at least give him the freedom to roam and play in the hole. Its a waste having him hug the touchline when he is much more effective between the lines.
Also Mikel can't come back soon enough, we are missing his passing big time, his absence is one of the reason we look less fluid at the moment. Flamini is so erratic in possession, can't believe he is still gets a start here
Also Mikel can't come back soon enough, we are missing his passing big time, his absence is one of the reason we look less fluid at the moment. Flamini is so erratic in possession, can't believe he is still gets a start here
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Re: Champions League Play-Off 2nd Leg - Arsenal 1 - 0 Besiktas: Another year in the group stages
by 6unner Wed Aug 27, 2014 11:28 pm
That is kind of what I see with Artetta. Most his passes these days are backwards or sideways dna not forward. Then if he does go forward he ends up out of position since he no longer has the speed to get back.
All that said it is what Wenger wants so it can not be all bad can it.
All that said it is what Wenger wants so it can not be all bad can it.
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Re: Champions League Play-Off 2nd Leg - Arsenal 1 - 0 Besiktas: Another year in the group stages
by Jay29 Wed Aug 27, 2014 11:55 pm
Got another analysis planned. I'll be looking at how Debuchy effects our defence, and this new 4-1-4-1 shape that's appeared since the start of the season.
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Re: Champions League Play-Off 2nd Leg - Arsenal 1 - 0 Besiktas: Another year in the group stages
by Sina Wed Aug 27, 2014 11:57 pm
Perfect time to score that Goal
2nd half was much better up to sending off
thats good thing About Debuchy when he covers behind Center backs
Santi played his role well
but feel that side isnt safe defensively vs better sides
Alexis we Love you
grew into the game with more confidence after his goal and worked hard as ever
still disappointed though feel we can involve him More in the build up as a wide player in 4231
this way we basically need to play perfect football with every passing move accurate with no big strong lad to shield the ball up top
Arsene
Chamberlain need to make decisions better and quicker
his off the ball movement is improving
in that screenshot analysis jay criticized him when space opened up for Ozil on other side but chambo didnt spot it
similar occasion this time he did
anyway Rambo got a rest and hopefully will come in to run the show vs Leicester
2nd half was much better up to sending off
thats good thing About Debuchy when he covers behind Center backs
Santi played his role well
but feel that side isnt safe defensively vs better sides
Alexis we Love you
grew into the game with more confidence after his goal and worked hard as ever
still disappointed though feel we can involve him More in the build up as a wide player in 4231
this way we basically need to play perfect football with every passing move accurate with no big strong lad to shield the ball up top
Arsene
Chamberlain need to make decisions better and quicker
his off the ball movement is improving
in that screenshot analysis jay criticized him when space opened up for Ozil on other side but chambo didnt spot it
similar occasion this time he did
anyway Rambo got a rest and hopefully will come in to run the show vs Leicester
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Re: Champions League Play-Off 2nd Leg - Arsenal 1 - 0 Besiktas: Another year in the group stages
by RealGunner Thu Aug 28, 2014 12:02 am
Oh and Monreal has been really good lately. Showing his Malaga form. Great engine.
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Re: Champions League Play-Off 2nd Leg - Arsenal 1 - 0 Besiktas: Another year in the group stages
by Sina Thu Aug 28, 2014 12:05 am
Arsenal player will put the match online only from weekendGoonerJay29 wrote:Got another analysis planned. I'll be looking at how Debuchy effects our defence, and this new 4-1-4-1 shape that's appeared since the start of the season.
can use this link too
http://www.footballorgin.com/2014/08/ucl-2014-2015-play-off-2nd-leg-arsenal.html
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Re: Champions League Play-Off 2nd Leg - Arsenal 1 - 0 Besiktas: Another year in the group stages
by REWB Thu Aug 28, 2014 12:26 am
alexis finally playing good after the goal, hopefully he takes the form on to the next match.
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Re: Champions League Play-Off 2nd Leg - Arsenal 1 - 0 Besiktas: Another year in the group stages
by Jay29 Thu Aug 28, 2014 2:36 am
So. Re-watched the game. First thoughts are that the scoreline really should've been more than 1-0 since we created some great opportunities in the second half. We looked a better side on the counter than when attempt to break them down. Defensively we were terrific.
Also, the atmosphere in the second half was excellent. Crowd were really up for it, especially when the tackles started flying in.
I want to take a closer look at Debuchy's performance, and how we fared going forward. I'll start with our new right back:
Also, the atmosphere in the second half was excellent. Crowd were really up for it, especially when the tackles started flying in.
I want to take a closer look at Debuchy's performance, and how we fared going forward. I'll start with our new right back:
- Debuchy:
I would describe Debuchy as an aggressive player. He's the sort to try and nip in ahead of his opponents to intercept the ball, isn't afraid to put his foot in and enjoys bombing forward to join the attack. He's all action and, in that regard, is very different to the more conservative and controlled Sagna.
Not even a minute into the game and Debuchy has already advanced up the pitch to join Arsenal's attack. When the ball is turned over, that position on the right hand side became vacant. That's the main risk when a full back pushes on like that. Mertesacker, as the right sided centre back, had to come across to plug that gap. Here, he's in a position where you probably wouldn't want him too often, because if he's turned or bypassed, he won't have the pace to recover.
Another example of the above. Debuchy was up in attack, so Mertesacker came across.
Potential defensive risks aside, Debuchy's runs forward did provide Arsenal with an excellent outlet, and the above was just one example of Debuchy and Chamberlain linking up down the right hand side. The understanding between them, from an offensive point of view, at least, was very encouraging.
The ball was turned over, and Debuchy was in the process of advancing up the pitch. Mertesacker spotted this and has moved across to the right hand side to deal with the ball dropping into the vacated space.
In the above, it was Flamini that time who came across to cover for Debuchy, who had tried to push forward and challenge the Besiktas player.
Good defences play as if they have rope tying them together; when one moves, the others move too. If a fullback pushes on, then the rest of the defence should shuffle across to cover the space. When a centre back pushes forward, the rest of the defence squeezes behind him to cover the space. This is basic defending you expect to see at most clubs.
I've already shown examples of this happening down the right hand side, so I thought I'd show an example of it happening down the left hand side, just to show it's not just Debuchy's aggression that causes this. In this example, it's Monreal that's advanced, and Koscielny who's covering. Debuchy, you can see, has taken up a narrower position so that if the ball goes past Koscielny, he can get across to cover.
So long as Arsenal maintain this basic defending, Debuchy shouldn't disrupt the backline too much.
Debuchy was not always forward thinking. In the above, he's read the game correctly by recognising he has to stay with a runner and not press the ball; he can see that Wilshere is coming back to do that, so he doesn't need to. If he had done so, it would've left a Besiktas player free down the left.
This was probably his best moment of the game, and showed that there's nothing wrong with his positioning or anticipation. Mertesacker has pushed forward to close Ozyakup, so Debuchy dropped off and tucked in slightly so that if the ball gets through, he can intercept it before it gets to Ba. That's exactly what happens, and in doing so he prevents what would've been a great chances for the Turkish side.
Debuchy will have sterner challenges, especially when he faces wingers who like running at full backs, but his performance tonight was top notch.
- Attack:
A different shape and different centre forward will inevitably alter how Arsenal attack. While they'll try to keep the ball on the ground and pass their way through teams with movement from the midfield, things will change when they go from a big target man who works the backline to a small, pacey runner who wants to avoid those sorts of conflicts.
In the opening exchanges, Arsenal struggled to find Alexis. Wanting more touches of the ball, Alexis dropped deeper to pick up the ball. This is what we don't want from him, as we lose the threat in behind, and all of our play ends up in front of the opposition.
This was a clear illustration of the 4-1-4-1 shape. Note the space between the midfield four and centre forward. Arsenal weren't interested in pressing the Besiktas defenders when they had the ball, meaning that when they won the ball back, Alexis was often too isolated to get involved. If Arsenal press here, they get closer to Alexis so when they win the ball, they can get him involved straight away.
An even bigger gap appeared here. Alexis was too far away to lead any pressing, while the Arsenal midfield dropped off, prerferring to hold their shape and block off Besiktas' route into their half instead of proactively trying to win the ball back.
Above is another thing we don't want Alexis to be doing. There, he was dropping off to give Wilshere another passing option, when really you'd want another midfield occupying that space and Alexis looking to get in behind, or for your centre forward to be where Santi Cazorla was. When Wilshere played the ball into Cazorla, he was unable to control it. Arsenal got a free-kick out of it, but Giroud in that position would've been able to hold off the defender and be a wall for Arsenal to play off.
On the counter, though, Arsenal looked dangerous. Ozil playing on the left meant he could become an outlet, and Cazorla found him with a beautiful pass.
Ozil managed to beat his man and was supported in attack by Alexis. Ozil anticipated that Alexis would make run "1", so played the ball down the outside of the fullback for him to run onto. However, Alexis, at the last second, changed his run to run "2", going into the box instead, and the attack broke down. A clear example of two players not quite on the same page, but the potential is there for all to see.
Another example of Alexis coming short for the ball. The midfield four have moved ahead of him, but Arsenal would always struggle to create anything from that situation without any threat in behind. The Besiktas defence know they can push up and squeeze the space without worrying too much about the space behind them.
A side-effect of having so many like-minded players in the team is that they, at times, congregate towards the same space. I thought the above was a good example of this. Ozil, Cazorla and Wilshere all stand close to each other wanting the ball, and none of them move into the highlighted space; a great position that they could've played Alexis in from.
What we need from Alexis is for him to get in behind, and that's exactly what happened for the goal. Arsenal have the ball on the edge of the box, and he's positioned himself on the shoulder of the defence, not come short to get the ball or play with his back to goal. The ball came his way and he scored.
I liked this because it showed Arsenal players willing to get into the box. Alexis was making a move between the centre back and fullback, Chamberlain was peeling off at the back post and Ozil was entering the box as an option on the outside. Cazorla gets the ball across goal, and Arsenal aren't far off a second goal.
Another counter that broke down. That time, Ozil had spotted the run, but messed up the pass. Alexis' pace makes that move possible; you wouldn't get the same with Giroud.
Here's another counter. Alexis this time goes down the outside, receives the ball and runs at the Besiktas defence. Again, a very different threat to Giroud.
Alexis and Ozil fail to link-up yet again. Ozil can easily play the ball into space for Alexis to run onto here...
...and here, when Alexis readjusts his run to stay onside. Annoying and encouraging at the same time.
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Re: Champions League Play-Off 2nd Leg - Arsenal 1 - 0 Besiktas: Another year in the group stages
by Peccadillo Thu Aug 28, 2014 3:34 am
off to a shaky start but tbh if you look at our results we have come away looking pretty good, draw away against Everton, smashed City (even if they were light), put palace away and progressed to the CL.
We are missing all our goal scorers again though and are now looking to the likes of Ramsey and Cazorla to provide.. Hopefully Sanchez now. It's a concern.
Got to confess I was losing my sh^t.. had a bad feeling throughout the entire game.
Onwards to the CL, hopefully we get an easier draw than last season!
We are missing all our goal scorers again though and are now looking to the likes of Ramsey and Cazorla to provide.. Hopefully Sanchez now. It's a concern.
Got to confess I was losing my sh^t.. had a bad feeling throughout the entire game.
Onwards to the CL, hopefully we get an easier draw than last season!
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Re: Champions League Play-Off 2nd Leg - Arsenal 1 - 0 Besiktas: Another year in the group stages
by Raptorgunner Thu Aug 28, 2014 3:51 am
We have learned to win ugly, but I dont want to go through a match like this again, 2 CL games and 2 red cards? We’ve received a red card in 4 of our last 5 Champions League games.
Monreal was solid today, I hope he keeps it up, cant really relay on Gibbs and we need him to recover fully.
Ozil was not himself, but is not his fault. Wilshere played better because ramsey wasn't in the pitch.
Monreal was solid today, I hope he keeps it up, cant really relay on Gibbs and we need him to recover fully.
Ozil was not himself, but is not his fault. Wilshere played better because ramsey wasn't in the pitch.
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Re: Champions League Play-Off 2nd Leg - Arsenal 1 - 0 Besiktas: Another year in the group stages
by Twoism Thu Aug 28, 2014 3:56 am
Excellent job Jay regarding Debuchy, we need that attacking outlet down that flank because unlike left hand side, we do have pacy player down the right i.e. Ox Theo.
After rewatching the red card challenge, there is absolutely nothing wrong with that. He got the ball clean, even if the ref call that one, should be no more than free kick. And the intercept against Ba was probably one of best moments in the game.
All in all, I like Debuchy, obviously we need to see him more against top side or pacy wingers but he brought in something different than Saga. It requires our defensive shape to be maintained through out the game though but I'm sure Wenger is drilling that into our tactics game by game.
I don't like this 4-1-4-1, Sanchez is isolated while the three midfielders often crammed since Ox mostly stayed on the right. But then again Ozil was horribly out of sync, he had quite a few chance to break free and either link up or through ball to Sanchez but failed.
With the last two performance one off the bench, Santi will give Wenger some headache. He shown what he could to through the middle, tough choice Ozil or him consider both have been meh playing on the left. With Giroud injured, it looks like Sanchez will play as CF so question is what kinda of meh Wenger prefer on the left, Santi or Ozil.
Problem with Jack/Rambo combo, Jack shown again he could play well w/o Rambo presence. Rambo likes to play a patient game, keep pass flowing & pop up important pass or goal, while Jack did the opposite, he like the penetrative bite, take control. Also worth to point out, Jack is more effective when he plays closer to opponent penalty box, his run is more dangerous and pose less risk. That's the luxury he doesn't have when playing with Rambo since Rambo is the one get to the box.
After rewatching the red card challenge, there is absolutely nothing wrong with that. He got the ball clean, even if the ref call that one, should be no more than free kick. And the intercept against Ba was probably one of best moments in the game.
All in all, I like Debuchy, obviously we need to see him more against top side or pacy wingers but he brought in something different than Saga. It requires our defensive shape to be maintained through out the game though but I'm sure Wenger is drilling that into our tactics game by game.
I don't like this 4-1-4-1, Sanchez is isolated while the three midfielders often crammed since Ox mostly stayed on the right. But then again Ozil was horribly out of sync, he had quite a few chance to break free and either link up or through ball to Sanchez but failed.
With the last two performance one off the bench, Santi will give Wenger some headache. He shown what he could to through the middle, tough choice Ozil or him consider both have been meh playing on the left. With Giroud injured, it looks like Sanchez will play as CF so question is what kinda of meh Wenger prefer on the left, Santi or Ozil.
Problem with Jack/Rambo combo, Jack shown again he could play well w/o Rambo presence. Rambo likes to play a patient game, keep pass flowing & pop up important pass or goal, while Jack did the opposite, he like the penetrative bite, take control. Also worth to point out, Jack is more effective when he plays closer to opponent penalty box, his run is more dangerous and pose less risk. That's the luxury he doesn't have when playing with Rambo since Rambo is the one get to the box.
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by RedMamba Thu Aug 28, 2014 5:27 am
hahaha ozil the best AM in the world at it again
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by RealGunner Thu Aug 28, 2014 5:38 am
you know who assisted the goal?
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by Peccadillo Thu Aug 28, 2014 7:00 am
RedMamba wrote:hahaha ozil the best AM in the world at it again
Why are you so anti-Ozil?
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by RedMamba Thu Aug 28, 2014 7:21 am
yes i did!
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by Sri Thu Aug 28, 2014 7:45 am
RedMamba wrote:hahaha ozil the best AM in the world at it again
Best AM in the world, being played as a LEFT MIDFIELDER. I'll repeat, in case you missed that :
LEFT MIDFIELD.
It's unbelieveable, the kind of heat this guy gets. Giroud is injured and people want somebody else to shat over or what?
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by AnJl Thu Aug 28, 2014 7:53 am
I know it is soon, but Im going to say it:
Ozil better start showing up soon. The excuses are starting to run out fast.
If he keeps being sub par, we won't hear the end of 'This is why we should have brought Fabregas back' and the last thing I want is to see that asshole have a feather in his cap.
Ozil better start showing up soon. The excuses are starting to run out fast.
If he keeps being sub par, we won't hear the end of 'This is why we should have brought Fabregas back' and the last thing I want is to see that asshole have a feather in his cap.
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by Sri Thu Aug 28, 2014 7:55 am
Take your pick:
http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/mesut-ozil-stats-lionel-messi-2250622
http://www.101greatgoals.com/blog/mesut-ozil-was-the-most-creative/
http://www.titanbet.com/football/europe-s-assist-kings.html#tt
http://www.fanatix.com/news/top-5-assist-makers-in-europe-over-the-past-5-seasons-arsenals-record-signing-features/144448/
I can go on, but have better (and more rational) pursuits.
People perform when the system suits their strengths. Put him in that free built-for-you-cause-we-are-sycophantic-about-your-skill 'Fabregas' role and wingers like Ronaldo/Theo/Bale/Robben on his flanks making runs and you will see how lethal he is. Not when you shaft him to experiment with a (possibly only) system which can accomodate your British core.
Playing a 3-5-2 when your squad isn't capable of it with only result in losses to league 1 sides. Simple as that.
http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/mesut-ozil-stats-lionel-messi-2250622
http://www.101greatgoals.com/blog/mesut-ozil-was-the-most-creative/
http://www.titanbet.com/football/europe-s-assist-kings.html#tt
http://www.fanatix.com/news/top-5-assist-makers-in-europe-over-the-past-5-seasons-arsenals-record-signing-features/144448/
I can go on, but have better (and more rational) pursuits.
People perform when the system suits their strengths. Put him in that free built-for-you-cause-we-are-sycophantic-about-your-skill 'Fabregas' role and wingers like Ronaldo/Theo/Bale/Robben on his flanks making runs and you will see how lethal he is. Not when you shaft him to experiment with a (possibly only) system which can accomodate your British core.
Playing a 3-5-2 when your squad isn't capable of it with only result in losses to league 1 sides. Simple as that.
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by AnJl Thu Aug 28, 2014 7:56 am
srigooner wrote:RedMamba wrote:hahaha ozil the best AM in the world at it again
Best AM in the world, being played as a LEFT MIDFIELDER. I'll repeat, in case you missed that :
LEFT MIDFIELD.
Then why the HELL does Wenger PLAY him there? If he knows Ozil can't play ANYWHERE but as an AM, why the hell does he keep playing him out of position?
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by Peccadillo Thu Aug 28, 2014 8:01 am
He's only been back from a world cup winning squad, where he played on the left.. and has played two games.
BTW - I of course agree that he's far better centrally.
BTW - I of course agree that he's far better centrally.
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