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Post by Ganso on Tue Sep 20, 2011 8:19 pm

So Mou personally asked for Neymar?i didnt know that......

i thought Perez was the one wanting him and his marketing value

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Post by guest7 on Tue Sep 20, 2011 8:23 pm

@Ganso wrote:So Mou personally asked for Neymar?i didnt know that......

i thought Perez was the one wanting him and his marketing value

Going by nicks posts, Mou gave the OK check, but it was Perez that was the biggest fan out of them. But like I said Perez will most likely pressure the coach to use him, you dont splash that much money and just bench them
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Post by Mr Nick09 on Tue Sep 20, 2011 8:23 pm

@Ganso wrote:So Mou personally asked for Neymar?i didnt know that......

i thought Perez was the one wanting him and his marketing value

I dont think so, to me, it's a case Perez wanting Neymar, neymar being validated by the scouting department, and mou approving it, you have to be blind not to see the talent.

I dont think Mourinho hand picked him, more like, Mou is pulling on a lot of ropes in madrid, so when the supremo decides to pull himself and it's actually a good idea, you have to let go a bit of that rope.
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Post by Zealous on Tue Sep 20, 2011 8:41 pm

I'm OK with this. So long as the price is not super ridiculous (50+) then it won't be that bad.

Nerman is super talented and he's going to be relevant to football for years. It makes sense sporting wise and business wise.

Hopefully he can develop a great work ethic when he eventually arrives. Now enough about Nerman until next year LOL.
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Post by estrella bernabeu on Tue Sep 20, 2011 9:36 pm

Neymar's Padrino (he's the one who convinced him to sign to Madrid)



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Post by Ganso on Tue Sep 20, 2011 9:44 pm

Ronaldo is an idiot,he said Neymar is his successor :facepalm:
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Post by Guest on Tue Sep 20, 2011 9:56 pm

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wtf 29 pages are you fracking serious?

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Post by estrella bernabeu on Tue Sep 20, 2011 10:01 pm

He's maybe 50 kg overweight after just 8 months of ending his football career !!!!! WTF :facepalm:
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Post by Ganso on Tue Sep 20, 2011 10:08 pm

@estrella bernabeu wrote:He's maybe 50 kg overweight after just 8 months of ending his football career !!!!! WTF :facepalm:
he has been overweight ever since his final madrid days lol
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Post by S32TABLANCA on Tue Sep 20, 2011 10:10 pm

@Zealous wrote:Good luck trying to prove that though LOL. Anyway I doubt it would be breaking any real actual laws. As for FIFA well I doubt they could do anything without A LOT of proof. That simply won't happen.

Nothing like that has ever happened and I seriously doubt that it ever will. Especially not to us.

Sorry mate if I cant convince you. Im not saying Santos will do it, just that its possible. I believe it happened to Chelsea once, but they appealed and reduced the ban.
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Post by Zealous on Tue Sep 20, 2011 10:10 pm

Fat Ronaldo will always be my favourite version of Ronaldo.

Just like fat Elvis and fat Oprah.
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Post by Zealous on Tue Sep 20, 2011 10:11 pm

Saetablanca wrote:
@Zealous wrote:Good luck trying to prove that though LOL. Anyway I doubt it would be breaking any real actual laws. As for FIFA well I doubt they could do anything without A LOT of proof. That simply won't happen.

Nothing like that has ever happened and I seriously doubt that it ever will. Especially not to us.

Sorry mate if I cant convince you. Im not saying Santos will do it, just that its possible. I believe it happened to Chelsea once, but they appealed and reduced the ban.

The Kakuta situation was based on something else entirely. This current situation isn't even close to being similar.

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Post by S32TABLANCA on Tue Sep 20, 2011 11:08 pm

@Zealous wrote:
Saetablanca wrote:
@Zealous wrote:Good luck trying to prove that though LOL. Anyway I doubt it would be breaking any real actual laws. As for FIFA well I doubt they could do anything without A LOT of proof. That simply won't happen.

Nothing like that has ever happened and I seriously doubt that it ever will. Especially not to us.

Sorry mate if I cant convince you. Im not saying Santos will do it, just that its possible. I believe it happened to Chelsea once, but they appealed and reduced the ban.

The Kakuta situation was based on something else entirely. This current situation isn't even close to being similar.


Ok sorry, Im not familliar with Chelsea stuff. Just that when I was reading about the possible consequences of Santos reporting us for an illegal preagreement, I saw it being compared to the Chelsea thing. Blame the idiot who wrote that article.

Out of curiosity, what was this Kakuta situation?
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Post by Zealous on Tue Sep 20, 2011 11:28 pm

The Kakuta issue came from the fact that he was under age when he made the transfer meaning that Chelsea never really broke any existing contract (With Lens).

Chelsea signed Kakuta to an actual contract. What is happening with Nerman is at best a pre-agreement and I'm 100% sure that the club is making the situation clear to Santos as well otherwise they would be complaining already.

Pre-agreement =/= Contract and for FIFA to use their (extremely arbitrary) power to punish us an actual contract would have to be signed.

Besides there is more than one precedent of the CAS (court of arbitration for sport) over ruling similar charges by FIFA. Don't worry bro I will eat my hat if we get sanctioned in any way.
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Post by Mr Nick09 on Wed Sep 21, 2011 12:00 am

you have a hat? hmm
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Post by Jack Daniels on Wed Sep 21, 2011 12:07 am

@Crimson wrote:*walks into thread*

wtf 29 pages are you fracking serious?

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Post by estrella bernabeu on Wed Sep 21, 2011 3:09 pm

-Neymar transfer will cost 120M€
-Madrid will generate 60M€ to close the deal (45% for Santos, 10% for Neymar and the rest for the advertising company)
-60M€ of wages (+2M€ per year in case he becomes a Ballon d'or, and Santos will get 2.5M€)
-Will be the 4th best paid player after CR, Kaka and Casillas
-The difference with barça bid:
Flo has paid 12M€ and the rest wil be insured by transfer term.
Madrid offer wage is 7M€ while Rosell is offering 4.5M€
Madrid will cede only 50% of advertising right to the player, Barça will touch nothing instead.
Player's salary in Madrid will be 12.7€/10.2M€ in Barcelona.

We have to mention that the player have an advertising agreement with 5 big companies in Brazil and considered as mine of gold.

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Post by Zealous on Wed Sep 21, 2011 3:13 pm

The terms are fair considering we get 50% of image rights (which is A LOT).

Not crazy about the 60 M offer though : /
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Post by EarlyPrototype on Wed Sep 21, 2011 3:15 pm

He has the highest ceiling in world football. Price is a bit too much, but I am 99% sure that one day we will look back and call this a bargain deal. Cool
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Post by Kev on Wed Sep 21, 2011 3:24 pm

This investment is about as risky as a sub-prime mortgage.

The pressure that this kid will feel once he arrives for 10000000000 dollars will seriously affect his development as a football player. Of course, Mou, Flo and the players will reassure him, but at the end of the day, everybody, including Neymar, knows that if he pulls a Robinho, we're screwed.

Personally, I want to see him succeed and grow at another club, before we buy him (if we need to). His price won't get much higher (if at all) once he gets older. Right now, he is worth so much because he is so young, has so much potential and such a high ceiling. In the best case scenario, in the future, he will be older (which means his value is inherently less), fulfilling his potential (the "awe" and "mystery" surrounding his capabilities will be lessened, thus reducing his value) and his ceiling will become much clearer (reducing his value, due to the same reason as before).

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Post by Zealous on Wed Sep 21, 2011 3:26 pm

The thing is the point of signing young promising players is that they are not as expensive as established stars.

Narman isn't a star yet, there is a good chance he'll become one but he might not. I could live with a 35-40 million euro offer but 60 million is a lot.

But we signed Kaka for 60 million so what do I know LOL.
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Post by Mr Nick09 on Wed Sep 21, 2011 3:53 pm

@estrella bernabeu wrote:-Neymar transfer will cost 120M€
-Madrid will generate 60M€ to close the deal (45% for Santos, 10% for Neymar and the rest for the advertising company)
-60M€ of wages (+2M€ per year in case he becomes a Ballon d'or, and Santos will get 2.5M€)
-Will be the 4th best paid player after CR, Kaka and Casillas
-The difference with barça bid:
Flo has paid 12M€ and the rest wil be insured by transfer term.
Madrid offer wage is 7M€ while Rosell is offering 4.5M€
Madrid will cede only 50% of advertising right to the player, Barça will touch nothing instead.
Player's salary in Madrid will be 12.7€/10.2M€ in Barcelona.

We have to mention that the player have an advertising agreement with 5 big companies in Brazil and considered as mine of gold.


where did you get this from? please dont tell me it's Marca
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Post by EarlyPrototype on Wed Sep 21, 2011 3:54 pm

What if he goes to Barca and is a top 3 player in the world in the a couple years time? we would be banging our heads against the ball and would continue to suffer from their dominance.

Neymar----------Messi------------Sanchez

We can not let it happen. affraid
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Post by estrella bernabeu on Wed Sep 21, 2011 3:56 pm

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Post by Mr Nick09 on Wed Sep 21, 2011 4:09 pm

I'll be shocked if we pay 60M for Neymar, just saying, i dont believe of word of it.

I dont even believe that Rosell actually planned a 60M buy, in a FFP year with his debt heavy club, not even planning to take the image rights to make some additional bucks. As unlikely as it gets.
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Post by estrella bernabeu on Wed Sep 21, 2011 4:47 pm

St_Nick09_of_Goal wrote:I'll be shocked if we pay 60M for Neymar, just saying, i dont believe of word of it.

I dont even believe that Rosell actually planned a 60M buy, in a FFP year with his debt heavy club, not even planning to take the image rights to make some additional bucks. As unlikely as it gets.


I think that some companies detained a part of his image rights and his contrat so maybe that what make him so expensive.
I don't know what DIS company is refering to but they'll take 40% of the deal.
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