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Post by Don't call me James Sun Jul 13, 2014 10:23 pm

@Valkyrja wrote:In the KO rounds Masche was clearly their best player


This is true.

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Post by Collblanc Sun Jul 13, 2014 10:23 pm

Valkyrja and Zealous - the forever Messi haters 2.0 :bow:
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Post by Valkyrja Sun Jul 13, 2014 10:24 pm

@Collblanc wrote:Valkyrja and Zealous - the forever Messi haters 2.0 :bow:


seriously, you think that Messi was the best player in this tournament ?
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Post by Collblanc Sun Jul 13, 2014 10:25 pm

I believe Messi is the best player ever to set foot on this planet. And so yes, also this WC he was the best player. Maybe not the most desicive - but who cares about stats? When he scored 90 goals you guys said it wasnt about goals. Now its about goals.


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Post by Great Leader Sprucenuce Sun Jul 13, 2014 10:25 pm

Robben was a non factor against Argentina, Costa Rica and apart from diving Mexico too.

Messi doesn't deserve it, but the double standards are strong if you think Robben does.

Just as if not more irrelevant in KO stages than Messi was.


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Post by Valkyrja Sun Jul 13, 2014 10:26 pm

@Collblanc wrote:I believe Messi is the best player ever to set foot on this planet. And so yes, also this WC he was the best player. Maybe not the most desicive - but who cares about stats? When he scored 90 goals you guys said it wasnt about goals. Now its about goals.


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Post by Zealous Sun Jul 13, 2014 10:26 pm

Forever a barca hater and 100% proud Proud

You should change your sig if you want to seem unbiased rofl

BTW it should say

Messi - Zeru Tituli

CR - La Decima
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Post by Collblanc Sun Jul 13, 2014 10:27 pm

These two idiots. smh
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Post by S Sun Jul 13, 2014 10:27 pm

@Great Leader Sprucenuce wrote:Robben was a non factor against Argentina, Costa Rica and apart from diving Mexico too.

Messi doesn't deserve it, but the double standards are strong if you think Robben does.

Just as if not more irrelevant in KO stages than Messi was.


100% agreed.
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Post by terrance511 Sun Jul 13, 2014 10:27 pm

dat love  Embarassed 
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Post by Don't call me James Sun Jul 13, 2014 10:28 pm

The only person who was clearly the stand out player in this tourney ahead of the guys that did well was Hames. Exceptional in all 5 games. Messi, Robben, and Muller played 7 each and still didn't capitalize in any way.

Messi is just as deserving as Robben or Muller.

ONLY HAMES >>>>>>>
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Post by Valkyrja Sun Jul 13, 2014 10:30 pm

@Collblanc wrote:These two idiots. smh


Just because Messi is "smh" "the best player ever to set foot on this planet" doesn't mean the he PERFORMED best at this tournament. His performance in the 2 matches was embarrassing, "idiot"
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Post by BarrileteCosmico Sun Jul 13, 2014 10:33 pm

Phritz wrote:
Se7en wrote:please stop, clearly the best player for argentina...


Mascherano has been far more important than Messi by a mile lol.
Yes because Masche got us single handedly out of a tough spot vs Iran, because it was Masche who stepped up when no one else could vs Bosnia, because Masche scored two goals vs Nigeria and because it was Masche that got us through Switzerland...

Messi was not stellar but he was clutch and got us through the tough spots. Granted after the 4th match he stopped carrying us, but he also had less people up front to associate with or play off.

I'm not saying he was the best player of the cup, that to me was Neuer, but he was not even in the running. But all these "Messi was not even the best Argie" comments are ridiculous.
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Post by Gil Sun Jul 13, 2014 10:36 pm

Messi virtually did nothing after the group stages. How the *bleep* can anyone say he deserved it? Argentina's entire defense, Mascherano and Romero were far better than Messi in the knockout rounds and are the only reason they got this far.

Vlaar, Robben, Romero, Neuer, James, Kroos, Mascherano, Schweinsteiger, Muller & Schurrle would have been far more deserving of it.

People blinded by the stat-padding he did in the group stages.


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Post by terrance511 Sun Jul 13, 2014 10:38 pm

poor masche, tore his anus for nth  Sad 
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Post by Zealous Sun Jul 13, 2014 10:39 pm

Without Mascherano Argentina go out against Holland tbh.

Zero goals in the knockout stages says it all. If CR was in this position the forum would have exploded Laughing
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Post by Valkyrja Sun Jul 13, 2014 10:41 pm

@Zealous wrote:Without Mascherano Argentina go out against Holland tbh.

Zero goals in the knockout stages says it all. If CR was in this position the forum would have exploded Laughing


But Messi is humble and a Barca player. CR is arrogant and a Madrid player.
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Post by Lupi Sun Jul 13, 2014 10:42 pm

I cant agree more, its more the matter pleasing the crowd than anything else now.
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Post by RealGunner Sun Jul 13, 2014 10:42 pm

@BarrileteCosmico wrote:
Phritz wrote:
Se7en wrote:please stop, clearly the best player for argentina...


Mascherano has been far more important than Messi by a mile lol.
Yes because Masche got us single handedly out of a tough spot vs Iran, because it was Masche who stepped up when no one else could vs Bosnia, because Masche scored two goals vs Nigeria and because it was Masche that got us through Switzerland...

Messi was not stellar but he was clutch and got us through the tough spots. Granted after the 4th match he stopped carrying us, but he also had less people up front to associate with or play off.

I'm not saying he was the best player of the cup, that to me was Neuer, but he was not even in the running. But all these "Messi was not even the best Argie" comments are ridiculous.


THISSSS

Messi's influence can't be matched by anyone. What he did for Argentina was more than what Mascherano did or Rojo. There would be no last ditch tackling for Mascherano to do if it wasn't for Messi being there. Argentina would be another England without him.

He is a leader Argentina deserve, but not the one it needs right now. So the haters will hunt him. Because he can take it. Because he's not our hero. He's a silent guardian. A watchful leader. A Dark Knight.

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Post by windkick Sun Jul 13, 2014 10:43 pm

I'd like to see stats for Messi in the tournament vs other players

Chances created, and all that. He was deceivingly more influential in those knockout games than people give him credit for...espeically cause he walked allot. That doesn't mean he wasn't a major factor in his team.
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Post by Valkyrja Sun Jul 13, 2014 10:45 pm

Stats... hmm James scored 6 and assisted 2 in 5 games  hmm 
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Post by windkick Sun Jul 13, 2014 10:46 pm

Lionel Messi is the player who created the most chances (23) and completed the most dribbles (46) in World Cup 2014

That is probably why he won the award.


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Post by windkick Sun Jul 13, 2014 10:47 pm

@Valkyrja wrote:Stats... hmm James scored 6 and assisted 2 in 5 games  hmm 


he won the golden shoe of the stat you provided


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Post by Zealous Sun Jul 13, 2014 10:47 pm

Could you exclude group stages? (legit request btw interested to see if there is a drop off)
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Post by Valkyrja Sun Jul 13, 2014 10:48 pm

@windkick wrote:
@Valkyrja wrote:Stats... hmm James scored 6 and assisted 2 in 5 games  hmm 


Greece, Ivory Coast, and Japan never stood a chance (not counting the PK). he won the golden shoe of the stat you provided


Bosnia, Nigeria, Iran all in the group stages ffs
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Post by windkick Sun Jul 13, 2014 10:50 pm

Messi also had 4 MOTM performances, more than any other player. Another reason why they probably gave it to him
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